A heretic is a Catholic who obstinately denies a
revealed- Cardinal Muller.
It is a great joy to witness Pope Francis' steadfast
"The pope's espousal of the poor and his unflinching
adherence to the fact that theologically the periphery
is not the margin but the center [of the church], and
that the hope of humankind lies in Jesus Christ and
not in the New York Stock Exchange warms my
heart," Müller said...
is not the margin but the center [of the church], and
that the hope of humankind lies in Jesus Christ and
not in the New York Stock Exchange warms my
heart," Müller said...
Lionel:
Cardinal Muller and Pope Francis do not affirm
that the hope of mankind, the salvation of mankind
lies in Jesus in the Catholic Church.This is not
possible since they have interpretated the dogma
extra ecclesiam nulla salus with the theology of
Cushingism instead of traditional Feeneyism.The
result is non traditional and heretical.
_______________
that the hope of mankind, the salvation of mankind
lies in Jesus in the Catholic Church.This is not
possible since they have interpretated the dogma
extra ecclesiam nulla salus with the theology of
Cushingism instead of traditional Feeneyism.The
result is non traditional and heretical.
_______________
The interviewer said that Francis' critics have accused
him of not appreciating doctrine sufficiently. Some of
his critics had even called him a heretic.
him of not appreciating doctrine sufficiently. Some of
his critics had even called him a heretic.
Lionel:
Pope Francis considers extra ecclesiam nulla salus
"triumphalism". He has approved of the Jesuits
expelling Fr. Leonard Feeney from the community,
for saying there are no exceptions to the dogma
extra ecclesiam nulla salus.For the Jesuits and for
Pope Francis there are exceptions.They accept the
Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which considers the
baptism of desire an exception, as if someone
personally saw or knew a saint or person in Heaven
who was there without the baptism of water.
"triumphalism". He has approved of the Jesuits
expelling Fr. Leonard Feeney from the community,
for saying there are no exceptions to the dogma
extra ecclesiam nulla salus.For the Jesuits and for
Pope Francis there are exceptions.They accept the
Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which considers the
baptism of desire an exception, as if someone
personally saw or knew a saint or person in Heaven
who was there without the baptism of water.
__________________
"I assure them that they are wrong -- not only ex officio,
but from personal experience," Müller said. "A heretic
is a Catholic who obstinately denies a revealed truth
that the church has declared to be true and that
Catholics are obliged to believe."
but from personal experience," Müller said. "A heretic
is a Catholic who obstinately denies a revealed truth
that the church has declared to be true and that
Catholics are obliged to believe."
Is it true that the CDF had received accusations of
heresy against Francis?
heresy against Francis?
Lionel:
"A heretic is a Catholic who obstinately denies a revealed truth
that the church has declared to be true and that Catholics are
obliged to believe."
that the church has declared to be true and that Catholics are
obliged to believe."
Pope Francis and Cardinal Muller obstinately interpret
the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with Cushingism
( i.e the baptism of desire exists without the baptism of
water and these cases are visible and known in personal
cases so they are explicit exceptions to all needing to
enter the Church, they are evidence of salvation outside
the Church).
the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with Cushingism
( i.e the baptism of desire exists without the baptism of
water and these cases are visible and known in personal
cases so they are explicit exceptions to all needing to
enter the Church, they are evidence of salvation outside
the Church).
They also obstinately interpret Vatican Council II with
Cushingism( i.e LG 16 refers to visible and known cases
in the present times and so they are exceptions to the
Feeneyite intepretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam
nulla salus).
Cushingism( i.e LG 16 refers to visible and known cases
in the present times and so they are exceptions to the
Feeneyite intepretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam
nulla salus).
They also obstinately interpret the Nicene Creed as saying
not 'I believe in one baptism for the forgivness of sins ( the
baptism of water) but ' I believe in three or more known
baptisms water, desire and blood'. This is irrational since
desire and blood if they are baptisms which save, they
would only be known to God.So they cannot be exceptions
or relevant to all needing one baptism for the forgiveness of
Original Sin.We do not know of any such 'baptism'.
not 'I believe in one baptism for the forgivness of sins ( the
baptism of water) but ' I believe in three or more known
baptisms water, desire and blood'. This is irrational since
desire and blood if they are baptisms which save, they
would only be known to God.So they cannot be exceptions
or relevant to all needing one baptism for the forgiveness of
Original Sin.We do not know of any such 'baptism'.
They also obstinately deny the infallibility of the pope ex
cathedra when he defined extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
They reject the defined dogma with a 1949 letter from
one bishop to another which the liberals placed in the
Denzinger.The Letter(1949) made an objective error.
There are no physically visible cases of the baptism of
desire etc without the baptism of water.So there are no
objectively known exceptions of someone saved without
faith and baptism .It is a fact of life that we cannot see
people in Heaven in 2016 without the baptism of water
who are exceptions to all needing to formally enter the
Church, all needing to be 'card carrying members' of the
Church for salvation.
cathedra when he defined extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
They reject the defined dogma with a 1949 letter from
one bishop to another which the liberals placed in the
Denzinger.The Letter(1949) made an objective error.
There are no physically visible cases of the baptism of
desire etc without the baptism of water.So there are no
objectively known exceptions of someone saved without
faith and baptism .It is a fact of life that we cannot see
people in Heaven in 2016 without the baptism of water
who are exceptions to all needing to formally enter the
Church, all needing to be 'card carrying members' of the
Church for salvation.
______________________
"No!" Müller replied.
The German cardinal was appointed to CDF by Pope
Benedict XVI. What has changed under Pope Francis?
Benedict XVI. What has changed under Pope Francis?
"Nothing," Müller said. "The two popes for whom I coordinate
the work of the Congregation are different people. That
enriches the church."
the work of the Congregation are different people. That
enriches the church."
The CDF's job is to protect the faith against heresies or
schismatic tendencies, Müller said but added, "We must
also raise our voice against the inner secularization of the
church."
schismatic tendencies, Müller said but added, "We must
also raise our voice against the inner secularization of the
church."
Lionel:
The recent Vatican document on inter-religious dialogue
with the Jews said Jews do not need to convert and so
there is no mission to the Jews.This has been approved
by the CDF. It is also another example of Cardinal Muller
and Pope Francis rejecting the dogma extra ecclesiam
nulla salus and Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) which
says all need faith and baptism for salvation.
with the Jews said Jews do not need to convert and so
there is no mission to the Jews.This has been approved
by the CDF. It is also another example of Cardinal Muller
and Pope Francis rejecting the dogma extra ecclesiam
nulla salus and Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) which
says all need faith and baptism for salvation.
_________________
Francis has his own style for sermons and pastoral approach,
"both of which millions of people find most convincing. But
he has again and again emphasized that everything he says
and all his gestures must be interpreted within the framework
of the Catholic creed," Müller said. "Jesus said God's salvific
will is the way, even if it seems difficult. For us Catholics, but
also for Protestant Christians, the Word of God is the truth
and, as far as issues concerning the truth are concerned,
there are no compromises. We are not God's negotiating
partners..."
"both of which millions of people find most convincing. But
he has again and again emphasized that everything he says
and all his gestures must be interpreted within the framework
of the Catholic creed," Müller said. "Jesus said God's salvific
will is the way, even if it seems difficult. For us Catholics, but
also for Protestant Christians, the Word of God is the truth
and, as far as issues concerning the truth are concerned,
there are no compromises. We are not God's negotiating
partners..."
Lionel:
Here again we have a denial of the dogma extra ecclesiam
nulla salus.The dogma says Protestants ( heretics) and
Orthodox Christians( schismatics) need to convert into
the Catholic Church to avoid the fires of Hell.( Cantate
Domino, Council of Florence 1441).We now have a denial
of the dogma. The truth has been compromised. It is a
denial of the traditional exclusivist ecclesiology with a
vague Christology.It is a denial of the traditional
interpretation of John 3:5, Mark 16:16.
nulla salus.The dogma says Protestants ( heretics) and
Orthodox Christians( schismatics) need to convert into
the Catholic Church to avoid the fires of Hell.( Cantate
Domino, Council of Florence 1441).We now have a denial
of the dogma. The truth has been compromised. It is a
denial of the traditional exclusivist ecclesiology with a
vague Christology.It is a denial of the traditional
interpretation of John 3:5, Mark 16:16.
__________________
Müller was also asked if he and Cardinal Walter Kasper,
who was also in the German language group, had serious
differences of opinion on such topics.
who was also in the German language group, had serious
differences of opinion on such topics.
"Cardinal Kasper and I are Catholic theologians who
proceed from the fact of Divine Revelation.
proceed from the fact of Divine Revelation.
Lionel:
Both accept that there are known exceptions to the
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In other words
not every one needs to enter the Catholic Church
formally, there is known salvation outside the Church.
This is rupture with Divine Revelation.Cardinal Kasper
in a front page interview to the Italian magazine 30Giorni ,
said no one believe in the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In other words
not every one needs to enter the Catholic Church
formally, there is known salvation outside the Church.
This is rupture with Divine Revelation.Cardinal Kasper
in a front page interview to the Italian magazine 30Giorni ,
said no one believe in the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
_____________
We are not politicians trying to reconcile conflicting interests,"
Müller replied. "Faith is not a party program that one can adjust
to the will of the electorate. The church is not a philosophers'
club trying to discern the truth. It is about the Spirit of God who
has conserved the church for 2,000 years..."
Müller replied. "Faith is not a party program that one can adjust
to the will of the electorate. The church is not a philosophers'
club trying to discern the truth. It is about the Spirit of God who
has conserved the church for 2,000 years..."
Lionel:
For some 1700 years the Church taught an exclusivist
ecclesiology.Now the exclusivist ecclesiology has been
replaced with alleged known salvation outside the Church
in other words someone allegedly saw someone saved
without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.This is
fantasy theology. It is irrational and heretical.It is affirmed
by Popes and cardinals.
ecclesiology.Now the exclusivist ecclesiology has been
replaced with alleged known salvation outside the Church
in other words someone allegedly saw someone saved
without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.This is
fantasy theology. It is irrational and heretical.It is affirmed
by Popes and cardinals.
Why should I accept it as a Catholic ?
I am in agreement with the pre- Council of Trent
magisterium which interpreted the dogma extra ecclesiam
nulla salus with no known exceptions. This is rational for me.
In 2016 I do not know of any one who is an exception or will
be an exception.If I say there are exceptions I imply I can see
people in Heaven who have died or I know of people on earth
who will die without the baptism of water in the Catholic
Church and who will go to Heaven.This is irrational. Yet upon
this irrational the new theology is created which has been
accepted by Pope Francis and Cardinal Muller.
magisterium which interpreted the dogma extra ecclesiam
nulla salus with no known exceptions. This is rational for me.
In 2016 I do not know of any one who is an exception or will
be an exception.If I say there are exceptions I imply I can see
people in Heaven who have died or I know of people on earth
who will die without the baptism of water in the Catholic
Church and who will go to Heaven.This is irrational. Yet upon
this irrational the new theology is created which has been
accepted by Pope Francis and Cardinal Muller.
_______________________________
[Christa Pongratz-Lippitt is the Austrian correspondent for the London-based weekly Catholic magazine The Tablet.] http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/m-ller-denies-cdf-received-heresy-accusations-against-pope
Müller denies that CDF received heresy accusations against pope
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/muller-denies-that-cdf-received-heresy.html
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Cardinal Muller has changed doctrine, supports the development of heresy
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/cardinal-muller-has-changed-doctrine.html
Cardinal Gerhard Muller like AP interprets Vatican Council II with the error from the Baltimore Catechism
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/cardinal-gerhard-muller-like-ap.html
ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER ASSUMES THAT THE DEAD WHO ARE SAVED ARE VISIBLE ON EARTH AND SO EVERY ONE DOES NOT NEED TO ENTER THE CHURCH : NCR interview
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/10/archbishop-gerhard-muller-assumes-that.html#links
Cardinal Gerhard Muller's doctrinal error was placed on the Vatican website and found on Edward Pentin's webpage.The editors at the National Catholic Register approved it
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/cardinal-gerhard-mullers-doctrinal.html
JANUARY 13, 2015
Cardinal Muller's doctrinal error placed on the Vatican website!
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/cardinal-mullers-doctrinal-error-placed.html
Cardinal Gerhard Muller used a false premise and he is to evaluate Medugorje http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/06/cardinal-gerhard-muller-used-false.html
http://ingodscompany2.blogspot.it/2016/01/medjugorje-documental.html
Cardinal Muller has alleged apparitions like Medugorje : apparition theology for the SSPX and the Franciscans of the Immaculate http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/cardinal-muller-has-alleged-apparitions.html
MEDUGORJE PHENOMENON AT THE CDF OFFICE
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/11/medugorje-phenomenon-at-cdf-office.html
THERE CAN BE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND CARDINALS WHO USE THE IRRATIONAL ONE ARE TO JUDGE MEDUGORJE
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/there-can-be-two-interpretations-of.html
CARDINALS WHO HAVE CHANGED THE FAITH FOR POLITICAL REASONS ARE TO EVALUATE MEDUGORJE
CDF needs to clarify
MANELLI FAMILIES STOP THE COERCION : ITS ILLEGAL
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/manelli-families-stop-coercion-its.html
Manelli lawyers must clarify with Apostolic Commissioner Fr.Fidenzio Volpi
No acknowledgment from the Vatican Press Office to 12 questions :Franciscans of the Immaculate
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/no-acknowldgement-from-vatican-press.html
January 16, 2015
Catholics threatened by their bishop or the Vatican
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/roberto-de-mattei-wants-franciscan.html
Doctrinal error within the SSPX too ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/doctrinal-error-within-sspx-too.html
In this way we undo the damage done by Fr.Karl Rahner and others who did not make the explicit-implicit, visible-invisible distinction.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/in-this-way-we-undo-damage-done-by.html
Pope Pius XII, Cardinals Ottaviani, Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre were factually wrong
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/pope-pius-xii-cardinals.html
Toronto Catholic Witness uses same theology as Pope Francis and the liberal Curia http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/toronto-catholic-witness-uses-same.html
CDF would be telling a falsehood,if it continued to promote Cushingism http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/cdf-would-be-promoting-falsehoodif-it.html
CDF hiding the truth still
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/11/cdf-hiding-truth-still.htmlMeeting needed between Ecclesia Dei/CDF, SSPX,CMRI and others: all agree that the baptism of desire is not an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/meeting-needed-between-ecclesia-deicdf.html
AP repeats lie about Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/11/ap-repeats-lie-about-vatican-council-ii.htmlThe present Magisterium supports the political Left on doctrine and has also made a factual mistake http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/09/the-present-magisterium-supports.html
OATH AGAINST MODERNISM : MAGISTERIUM IS IN HERESY
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/09/oath-against-modernism-magisterium-is.html
CDF could soon fault the SSPX for not accepting the Cushing interpretation of Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/cdf-could-soon-fault-sspx-for-not.html
Vatican Council II is traditional: SSPX should ask Ecclesia Dei to accept the Council without the Richard Cushing Error
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/vatican-council-ii-is-traditional-sspx.html
Richard Cushing Confusion at the Vatican
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/richard-cushing-confusion-at-vatican.html
Pro SSPX supporters should protest at the CDF on their irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/pro-sspx-supporters-should-protest-at.html
INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION OBJECTIVELY WRONG ON INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/02/international-theological-commission.html#links
Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J uses the false premise : here is the proof!
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/archbishop-augustine-di-noia-was-using.html#link Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is still in heresy :visible to us baptism of desire and invincible ignorance contradicts a defined dogma http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-secretary-of.html
THERE IS AMBIGUITY IN VATICAN COUNCIL II ONLY WITH THE FALSE PREMISE: THE COUNCIL IS TRADITIONAL OTHERWISE http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/there-is-ambiguity-in-vatican-council.html
Tuesday, April 10, 2012
HOLY FATHER ASSUMES THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE KNOWN TO US: CONTRADICTS VATICAN COUNCIL I AND II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/holy-father-assumes-those-saved-in.html
HOLY FATHER ASSUMES THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE KNOWN TO US: CONTRADICTS VATICAN COUNCIL I AND II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/holy-father-assumes-those-saved-in.html
INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION OBJECTIVELY WRONG ON INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/02/international-theological-commission.html#links
IF THE CDF DOES NOTHING WHOM CAN WE APPEAL TO, POPE FRANCIS ?: PUBLIC ERRORS BY VATICAN OFFICIALS INCLUDING THE CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/05/if-cdf-does-nothing-whom-can-we-appeal.html
January 13, 2013
ITALIAN PRIEST CRITICIZES BAGNASCO FIASCO: THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT JEWS NEED TO CONVERT http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2009/10/italian-priest-criticizes-bagnasco.html
Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martignoni
JOHN MARTIGNONI SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II IS IN AGREEMENT WITH EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND THE SYLLABUS: WHEN WILL THE SSPX AND THE VATICAN CURIA ACKNOWLEDGE IT?
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