Roberto de Mattei will still not tell Diane Montagne of LifeSitesNews that there are no personally known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance outside the Catholic Church and so he affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) according to the 16th century Magisterium and misionaries. The baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) are not literal exceptions in 2019 to the strict interpretation of EENS.
Nor does he announce that he and Christopher Ferrara,Fr. Nicholas Gruner and John Vennari and others made a mistake when they interpreted EENS and Vatican Council II with hypothetical cases being non hypothetical. They were wrongly assumed to be personally known non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church.So now there are exceptions to EENS. Invisible people are exceptions.
He does not announce that he and Christopher Ferrara wrote books on Vatican Council II with this objective mistake. They interpreted the Council with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism; with the irrational premise instead of without it.
Rorate Caeili does not announce that Mattei and Ferrara's concept of Vatican Council II was based on a mistake. So it is false. It was the interpretation of Pope Paul VI .
The same mistake was made by Michael Davies, Atila Sinke Guimares and in recent times by Paolo Pascualucci.
The traditionalists today attend the Latin Mass and proclaim the New Ecclesiology and New Theology in public.It is the same as at Mass in the vernacular. It is a rupture with the Tridentine Mass of the 16th century.In the 16th century, BOD, BOB and I.I referred to hypothetical cases and not explicit exceptions to traditional EENS. At the Latin Mass today BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS. So they refer to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. Otherwise how could they be exceptions? This was the reasoning of the liberal theologians and the traditionalists over the last 50 years.
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JULY 17, 2019
Mattei and Ferrara read Vatican Council II superficially and wrote books misleading Catholics ( Graphics)https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/07/mattei-and-ferrara-read-vatican-council.html
MAY 5, 2018
The truth has to be proclaimed by Roberto de Mattei for a rebirth of the Church during his lifetimehttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/05/the-truth-has-to-be-proclaimed-by.html
DECEMBER 14, 2017
No contradiction or correction from Roberto dei Mattei https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/12/no-contradiction-or-correction-from.html
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Professor de Mattei, who directs the magazine Radici Cristiane and the Corrispondenza Romana News Agency, has published countless articles and nearly 20 books. His latest has been recently translated into English – The Second Vatican Council – an Unwritten Story.
No contradiction or correction from Roberto dei Mattei https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/12/no-contradiction-or-correction-from.html
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Professor de Mattei, who directs the magazine Radici Cristiane and the Corrispondenza Romana News Agency, has published countless articles and nearly 20 books. His latest has been recently translated into English – The Second Vatican Council – an Unwritten Story.
Vatican II was a “historical turning point,” he told me. Some Council Fathers saw a more optimistic period in bloom. Others, more conservative, did not. 1
-Lionel Andrades
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RELEVANT LABELS/ TAGS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS BLOG
Vatican Council II( premise free)(2)
Vatican Council II(Cushingite).(5)
Vatican Council II(Feeneyite)(8)
Vatican Council II(premise free)(2)
Vatican Council II(premise-free)(6)
Vatican Council II and EENS(2)
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JANUARY 27, 2018
What is Feeneyism? (Graphics)
JANUARY 27, 2018
What is Cushingism ?(Graphics)
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JUNE 20, 2016
Prof.Phillip Blosser, a Professor of Philosophy at Musings of a Pertinacious Papist and Tancred at The Eponymous Flower agree with me : hypothetical cases (baptism of desire etc) cannot be explicit for us in 2016
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/profphillip-blosser-professor-of.html
MONDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2016
I even interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1995) as being Feeneyite. I use the same reasoning : hypothetical cases are not explicit in the present times. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/i-even-interpret-catechism-of-catholic.html
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html#links
DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/dean-of-theology-at-st-anselm-says.html#links
CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P
BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/brazilian-priest-says-vatican-council.html#links
I follow the Catechism of Trent in agreement with Vatican Council II and the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission. blogspot.it/2015/08/i-follow- catechism-of-trent-in.html
JUNE 20, 2011
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/06/there-is-no-baptism-of-desire-that-we.html
WE DO NOT KNOW ANYONE SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE OR INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE SO EVERYONE NEEDS TO ENTER THE CHURCH AS DON BOSCO TAUGHT- Salesian Rector and Parish priest in Rome
JULY 25, 2018
Repost : When I meet Catholics I say Vatican Council II says outside the Church there is no salvation and all need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-when-i-meet-catholics-i-say.html
JULY 23, 2018
Cardinal Raymond Burke has said that other religions are false religions (LG 8, AG 7) but this is not taught at the University of St. Thomas Aquinas, Rome
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/cardinal-raymond-burke-has-said-that.html
JULY 28, 2018
Dogmas do not change : Vatican Council II is in harmony with the strict interpretation of EENS. There is no past and new ecclesiology for me.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/dogmas-do-not-change-vatican-council-ii.html
JULY 18, 2018
Whatever is your opinion of Fr. Leonard Feeney, LOHO, Pope Pius XII etc if LG 16 is invisible or visible determines the interpretation of Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/whatever-is-your-opinion-of-fr-leonard.html
JULY 18, 2018
Whether you believe in the Bologna School or what ever how you look at LG 16 determines how you interpret Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/whether-you-believe-in-bologna-school.html
JULY 11, 2018
This is Vatican Council II(Feeneyite) which would be 'extremist' for Angela Merkel's Germany.So the German Catholic bishops are denying it,and are giving the Eucharist at Holy Mass to Protestants, since the Catholic bishops have rejected Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) and interpret the Council with Cushingism.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/this-is-vatican-council-iifeeneyite.html
JULY 11, 2018
Catholics in Russia need to go on mission and evangelise there based on Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/catholics-in-russia-need-to-conduct.html
JULY 6, 2018
What happens when Cardinal Marx knows...will he accept this reality, or will he go into schism?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/what-happens-when-cardinal-marx.html
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APRIL 25, 2018
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/christopher-ferrara-and-roberto-dei.html
APRIL 12, 2018
Like the liberals Roberto dei Mattei uses an irrational premise to interpret the baptism of desire etc. So there is a new version of EENS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/like-tbe-liberals-roberto-dei-mattei.html
APRIL 12, 2018
Roberto dei Mattei is politically correct like the two popes and in heresy http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/roberto-dei-mattei-is-politically.html
APRIL 11, 2018
Roberto dei Mattei still cannot state that Lumen Gentium does not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Neither will he affirm the dogma EENS according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/roberto-dei-mattei-still-cannot-state.html
MARCH 15, 2018
I am waiting for Cardinal Burke, Bishop Schneider, Robero dei Mattei and Chris Ferrara to affirm Vatican Council II and the strict interpretation of EENS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/i-am-waiting-for-cardinal-burke-bishop.html
DECEMBER 27, 2017
Brunero Gherardino had it wrong and Roberto dei Mattei based his writings upon the Monsignor's irrational theology http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/brunero-gherardino-had-it-wrong-and.html
Like the liberals Roberto dei Mattei uses an irrational premise to interpret the baptism of desire etc. So there is a new version of EENS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/like-tbe-liberals-roberto-dei-mattei.html
APRIL 12, 2018
Roberto dei Mattei is politically correct like the two popes and in heresy http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/roberto-dei-mattei-is-politically.html
APRIL 11, 2018
Roberto dei Mattei still cannot state that Lumen Gentium does not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Neither will he affirm the dogma EENS according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/roberto-dei-mattei-still-cannot-state.html
MARCH 15, 2018
I am waiting for Cardinal Burke, Bishop Schneider, Robero dei Mattei and Chris Ferrara to affirm Vatican Council II and the strict interpretation of EENS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/i-am-waiting-for-cardinal-burke-bishop.html
DECEMBER 27, 2017
Brunero Gherardino had it wrong and Roberto dei Mattei based his writings upon the Monsignor's irrational theology http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/brunero-gherardino-had-it-wrong-and.html
APRIL 12, 2018
Roberto dei Mattei is politically correct like the two popes and in heresy http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/roberto-dei-mattei-is-politically.html
APRIL 11, 2018
Roberto dei Mattei still cannot state that Lumen Gentium does not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Neither will he affirm the dogma EENS according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/roberto-dei-mattei-still-cannot-state.html
MARCH 15, 2018
I am waiting for Cardinal Burke, Bishop Schneider, Robero dei Mattei and Chris Ferrara to affirm Vatican Council II and the strict interpretation of EENS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/i-am-waiting-for-cardinal-burke-bishop.html
DECEMBER 27, 2017
Brunero Gherardino had it wrong and Roberto dei Mattei based his writings upon the Monsignor's irrational theology http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/brunero-gherardino-had-it-wrong-and.html
APRIL 24, 2018
Vatican Council II is not how Christopher Ferrara and Roberto dei Mattei interpret it (Graphics) http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/vatican-council-ii-is-not-how_24.html
APRIL 25, 2018
If you interpret Lumen Gentium 8 ( elements of sanctification and truth in other religions) as referring to known or unknown people in the present times you have two interpretations of Vatican Council II : If you interpret the baptism of desire as referring to invisible or visible people saved outside the Church in the present times you have two interpretations of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/if-you-interpret-lumen-gentium-8.html
APRIL 12, 2018
Roberto dei Mattei is politically correct like the two popes and in heresyhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/roberto-dei-mattei-is-politically.html
DECEMBER 15, 2017
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-traditionalists-in-general-have.html
You can interpret Vatican Council II without the new theology. Try it and see http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/you-can-interpret-vatican-council-ii.html
NOVEMBER 8, 2017
Books of Archbishop Lefebvre are obsolete now : so are the writings on Vatican Council II by Chris Ferrara and Roberto dei Mattei https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/11/books-of-archbishop-lefebvre-are.html
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Vatican Council II is not how Christopher Ferrara and Roberto dei Mattei interpret it (Graphics) http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/vatican-council-ii-is-not-how_24.html
APRIL 25, 2018
APRIL 25, 2018
If you interpret Lumen Gentium 8 ( elements of sanctification and truth in other religions) as referring to known or unknown people in the present times you have two interpretations of Vatican Council II : If you interpret the baptism of desire as referring to invisible or visible people saved outside the Church in the present times you have two interpretations of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/if-you-interpret-lumen-gentium-8.html
APRIL 12, 2018
Roberto dei Mattei is politically correct like the two popes and in heresyhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/roberto-dei-mattei-is-politically.html
DECEMBER 15, 2017
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-traditionalists-in-general-have.html You can interpret Vatican Council II without the new theology. Try it and see http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/you-can-interpret-vatican-council-ii.html
NOVEMBER 8, 2017
Books of Archbishop Lefebvre are obsolete now : so are the writings on Vatican Council II by Chris Ferrara and Roberto dei Mattei https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/11/books-of-archbishop-lefebvre-are.html
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