The 300 families who attended the Latin Mass with the FSSP at Dijon, France need to formerly tell Bishop Roland Minnerath, that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston(LOHO) uses a false premise and so cannot be Magisterial. This has a bearing on the theology of the Holy Mass, lex orandi, lex credendi.A petition should be sent to him by the laity.
The New Theology also based upon the false premise, is not Magisterial, even though the present two popes support it.
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are not exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), an ecumenism of return of the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX or the teaching on outside the Church there is no salvation and other religions are not paths to salvation, according to the Catechism of Pope Pius X (24Q,27Q).Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise ( with exceptions) is also not Magisterial.The Council has to be interpreted with the rational premise and in harmony with these Magisterial documents.
Those who went for Holy Mass in Latin with the FSSP priests, return to the Athansius Creed, which says all need the Catholic faith for salvation.There are no exceptions to the Athanasius Creed mentioned in Vatican Council II, for the Latin laity.The old ecclesiology is not contradicted by Vatican Council II, for them.
Since there are no practical exceptions to EENS there is no rational theological basis for the New Theology, New Ecumenism, New Evangelisation and New Ecclesiology.
There is no known salvation outside the Catholic Church for them.Physically, they cannot meet or see someone saved without faith and the baptism of water.In 2021, they cannot meet any one saved outside the Church, as referenced in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc or, the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I) mentioned in the LOHO.
The Catechism of the Council of Trent and Pius X affirm the strict interpretation of EENS and there are no exceptions for them.
Vatican Council II affirms the strict interpretation of EENS in Ad Gentes 7( all need faith and baptism for salvation)and there are no exceptions to AG 7 for them.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of EENS ( CCC 855,846,1257) and there are no practical exceptions.
So they would like Bishop Roland Minnerath and the diocesan priests to affirm the old ecclesiology of the Church at the Latin and Novus Ordo Mass. This will be the formal theology of the 300 families at the TLM and the Mass in the vernacular.
Religious communties and lay organisations are welcome to support them in France.-Lionel Andrades
JUNE 24, 2021
The Latin laity at Dijon, France can get back the old ecclesioloy of the TLM : They simply have to interpret Vatican Council II etc.,without the false premise. They are back to Tradition !
JUNE 24, 2021
Dijon,France follows a pattern
JUNE 24, 2021
When I say that Catechists should teach that there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and in Heaven there are only Catholics I am following the theology of the Catholic Church, interpreted rationally
When I say that Catechists should teach that there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and in Heaven there are only Catholics I am following the theology of the Catholic Church, interpreted rationally.There cannot be a New Theology with a false premise.It could not be Magisterial. There cannot be a development of doctrine with a false premise.It cannot be Magisterial. The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston cannot be Magisterial. It uses a false premise. - Lionel Andrades
JUNE 11, 2021
Vatican Council II is dogmatic
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE LIONEL ANDRADES INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
1.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
It is the listing of the rational and irrational premise, inference and conclusion. It identifies two different premises with two different conclusions. So the rational premise produces a traditional conclusion and the Vatican Council II is in harmony with Tradition. It has a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition even though Rahner, Congar, Rarzinger and Cushing were present at the Council in 1965.
Collegiality, ecumenism and religious liberty are no more an issue for the conservatives , when Vatican Council II is traditional.
Lumen Gentium 8, Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 ecc. oin Vatican Council II refer to only physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.
12.Vatican Council II is dogmatic ?
Yes. Pope Paul VI and the liberals call Vatican Council II "pastoral" and not dogmatic. Since they do not want to affirm the rigorous interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
Ad Gentes 7 (all need faith and baptism for salvation) supports the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) while the hypothetical cases mentioned in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc. cannot be objective exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 in 1965-2021. So there is nothing in the text of the Council that contradicts 16th century EENS or the Athanasius Creed or the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX on there being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
The Second Vatican Council affirms the dogma EENS with Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 .While the Council does not contradict EENS or Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14, with LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 etc. Since if someone was saved outside the Church, he would be known only to God. They are not part of our reality. They are invisible in 1965-2021.
When Pope Francis says that the Second Vatican Council is the Magisterium of the Church he must refer to a pro-EENS dogmatic Council with the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.
Without their false premise the Council is dogmatic. It supports the rigorous interpretation of EENS.This was EENS according to the missionaries and the Magisterium of the sixteenth century. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc., in the Second Vatican Council, if interpreted rationally, cannot be practical exceptions to EENS. Invisible cases in our reality cannot be objective exceptions to EENS. For example, to get on the bus you have to be present at the bus station. If you are not physically at the bus stop it is not possible to get on the bus.
Another example is, if there is an apple in a box of oranges, the apple is an exception since it is there in the box. If it was not there in that box it would not be an exception. Similarly LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 etc.,refer only to hypothetical cases. We cannot meet or see anyone saved outside the Church, without faith and the baptism of water. So the Council is not referring to real people, known people in the present times.
Unknown and invisible cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14) and of being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) cannot be objective exceptions for EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.There is no conflict.
So when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally it is dogmatic. -Lionel Andrades
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