In my parish too( Santa Maria di Nazareth, Boccea, Casalotti, Roma) the priests and lay Catechists need to affirm Vatican Council II just like in Dijon, France Bishop Roland Minnerath needs to affirm the Council and
interpret it rationally.
They must no longer support the Council interpreted with a Fake
Premise. For then they negate the traditional interpretation of the Creeds ,
extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Catechisms.There is no unity on doctrine
and theology in the parish.
They must not project LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc
as being exceptions for the Athanasius Creed, for then it means that they
interpret Vatican Council II irrationally.They are saying that there are
personally known non Catholics saved
outside the Catholic Church in 1965-2021.In reality there cannot be such
people. If any one is saved outside the Catholic Church without ‘faith and
baptism’ (AG 7) it can only be known to God. There are no physically visible
cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.
So they must not project LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22
etc as being exceptions forTradition ( Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX
etc).This was the mistake made by Bishop Roland Minnerath. He thought Vatican
Council II was a break with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the
Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q,27Q). Every one in the parish must affirm Vatican
Council II and know that there is no more the liberal-traditionalist division,
since Vatican Council II can only be rational. The common irrational version of
the Council is obsolete.
Why should Catholic lay people in the parish, for example,
interpret Vatican Council II irrationally when they have a rational version
before them?
I would like to resume receiving the Eucharist at Mass in
Italian in the parish and for this the priests must affirm Vatican Council II (
rational) and create doctrinal and theological unity among the people and the
past Magisterium. They must announce that Vatican Council II is not a break with
Tradition it is in harmony with the Athanasius Creed.
The priests and lay people must affirm the Athanasius Creed other wise it is first class heresy in the hierarchy of truths of the Catholic faith.-Lionel Andrades
JUNE 5, 2021
Catholic priests agree with me on five points but will not proclaim them in public
JUNE 5, 2021
Catholic priests in the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Rome agree with me on five points
In the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, near the Battistini Metro Station, there have been two religious communities housed there, the Joseleitos Christo and the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate.This is also the parish of Lionel Andrades according to his blog Eucharist and Mission( Lionel's Blog).The religious communities there agree with him on the following five points.
JUNE 4, 2021
They agree with me : A Catholic should be elected Mayor of Rome : Vatican Council II must be the test of being a Catholic
The priests of the Joseleitos de Christo community at the church Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, in principle agree that there are no objective examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 2021.There are no practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the present times (1965-2021).There are no physically visible cases of non Catholics, saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.We cannot see or meet someone who is an exception to the norm for salvation i.e faith and baptism (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).This was also the view of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, who were last year in this parish. They too agree with me.The Rector of Francisican Friar seminary in the parish was Fr. Rosario Sammarco f.i and Parish Priest, Fr.Giuseppe Grioni f.i.The seminary is closed and the building is under the management of the Comitato dell Immaculata, set up originally by Fr. Stefano Mannelli f.i.
In the parish today the Parish Priest Fr.Francisco De Barros Barbosa, sjc in public interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise. If he did not use the false premise, Vatican Council II (AG 7) would affirm the past ecumenism of return to the Catholic Church, an exclusivist ecclesiology, the old traditional theology of outside the Church there is no salvation and the need to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all national politics in Italy.
However he agrees with me - there are no objective exceptions to EENS. There are no physically visible cases of non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.
The priests of the Joseleitos di Christo and Franciscans of the Immaculate need to tell Catholics and especially parishioners, to vote only for candidates for the Mayor's office in Rome, who interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise.They would be true Catholics. With Vatican Council II ( rational) they would be affirming EENS.So based upon EENS they could proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King ( Quas Primas ) in all political legislation.Since outside the Church there is no known salvation the priority is that all accept the norm for salvation-faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, to avoid Hell.
We all agree that if there was any one saved outside the Catholic Church it could only be known to God.So Catholic faith and the baptism of water is still the norm and the priority to go to Heaven and avoid Hell for all people with no known exceptions.-Lionel Andrades
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JUNE 3, 2021
In my parish the priests interpret Vatican Council II irrationally instead of rationally even after being informed.
In my parish the priests interpret Vatican Council II irrationally instead of rationally even after being informed.The traditional conclusion of the Council, interpreted without the false premise is too much for them. - Lionel Andrades
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JUNE 2, 2021
In my parish the priests do not affirm the Athanasius Creed.
In may parish, Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, the priests do not affirm the Athanasius Creed. They change the meaning of the Nicene and Apostles Creed with the use of a false premise.They re-interpret Vatican Council II with the same fake premise and change the interpretations of all the Catechisms.They do consider this a mortal sin of faith.They about 'new information' and 'being open' and 'following Pope Francis'. Do they believe in the secrecy of the Sacrament of Confession ? Really? Why ? -Lionel Andrades
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JUNE 1, 2021
Often it is the pope who transfers conservative religious. This time it was a lay organisation which transferred liberal religious, in Rome.
In the parish of Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Pope Francis closed down the seminary of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate in Rome.The seminary building and adjoining property is now held by the Comitato dell Immaculata, formed by Fr. Stefano Manelli f.i.
They objected to the presence of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculata.They had been there since Pope Francis shuttered the original seminary of Fr. Manelli.
So the Franciscans Friars of the Immaculate no more live at Casalotti.They do not any more offer Holy Mass there.
Often it is the pope who transfers conservative religious. This time it was a lay organisation which had the liberal religious, in Rome,tranferred.
I attend Holy Mass in Italian and affirm Catholic Tradition as a lay Catholic.There is no more a Latin Mass in the parish or even the adjoining area.
I affirm the Athanasius Creed (Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally...).
I affirm the Nicene and Apostles Creed, interpreted without a fake premise. So my interpretation of these two Creeds would be different from that of the present Parish Priest Fr. Francesco Barbosa, of the Brazilian Societa Joselitos Christo.
The Rector of the seminary at Casalotti, was Fr. Rosario Sammarco f.i.He now offers Mass at St.Mary Majors and remains the rector of the seminary in Tiburtina,Rome.
Fr.Rosario Samarco would reject the Athanasius Creed.He would interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise.It would be the same for the seminarians.It is the same for the Joselitos Chrito priests and the Italian diocesan priests.They are following the instructions of Vatican and the Rome Vicariate.
I accept Vatican Council II and interpret it without the false premise. So my interpretation of the Council would not be a rupture with Tradition( Athanasius Creed etc).The priests and religious communities in the parish and diocese, interpret the Council with the false premise. So our Profession of Faith will be different. Since our premises are different the Religious will emerge non traditional and I traditional.
I accept the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I).I do not reject them or deny them.For me they refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases only.They can only be hypothetical and theoretical in our human reality.Since if any one was saved with BOD and I.I it would only be known to God.So for me, BOD and I.I are not examples of known people in the present times ( 1965-2021), saved outside the Catholic Church.I cannot meet or see someone saved with BOD or I.I.So when Vatican Council II refers to BOD(LG 14) and I.I(LG 16), it is always a reference to a hypothetical and theoretical case which exists only in our mind.It cannot be a practical exception to EENS, as EENS was known to the Church Fathers and the missionaries in the 16th century.
For me the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake in the Letter to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney.How can BOD and I.I be practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS ?
So our interpretation of BOD and I.I would also be different. I would affirm an EENS with no exceptions and they would affirm an EENS with exceptions.
It is not known how the seminary building will be used. The original community of the Fransciscans Friars of the Immaculate are not seen here.-Lionel Andrades
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JUNE 2, 2021
I affirm the Athanasius Creed
I affirm the Athanasius Creed,interpret the Nicene and Apostles Creed rationally,interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and do not use the false premise to interpret the Catechisms of Trent, Baltimore, Pius X, John Paul II etc.The Catechism of the Catholic Church is not a break with Tradition for me.I do not employ the false premise, inference and conclusion of cardinals Ratzinger and Schonborn.I interpret Vatican Council II rationally with the hermeneutic of continity with Feeneyite EENS, the Deposit of Faith and the popes and saints of the past.My interpretation of Church document is Magisterial,since it is rational, traditional and in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church.The present two popes interpretation of Magisterial documents with the false premise is not Magisterial. It is political. -Lionel Andrades
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MAY 13, 2021
Pope Francis had to close down the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary and force the seminarians to study at the pontifical universities in Rome.There they had to interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms with the false premise, inference and non traditional conclusion.They had to accept this leftist, political interpretation of the Council .Now they teach it to others
MAY 30, 2021
In my parish the priests have changed the meaning of the Nicene and Apostles Creed and rejected the Athanasius Creed and they offer Holy Mass in Italian. They interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to project a non traditional conclusion and then then offer Holy Mass.
MAY 30, 2021
In my parish the priests reject the Athanasius Creed, change the Nicene and Apostles Creed and re-interpet Vatican Council II irrationally and do not deny it. They agree with me!
MAY 29, 2021
Scandal at my parish
I affirm the Athanasius Creed (Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally...)in the parish but the priests and many of the parishioners do not do the same.
I live in the parish, Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea.It is a 20-minute drive from Rome's Battistini Metro Station.How can they offer/attend Holy Mass and not affirm the infallible teaching of the Athanasius Creed?
I affirm Vatican Council II interpreted rationally in the parish but the priests and most of the parishioners do not do so.
For me LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are practical exceptions for the Athanasius Creed. In other words, they refer to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. They refer to physically visible people saved without faith and the baptism of water.Invisible and unknown people cannot be exceptions to the Creed. So with this irrationality they make the Athanasius Creed obsolete.
My interpretation of Vatican Council II is rational and traditional.It is not a break with the Creeds.
How can the priests and people offer/attend Holy Mass with an irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II etc ?
When the priests and people in the parish do not affirm the Athanasius Creed and Vatican Council II, do they no have to go for the Sacrament of Confession, end the scandal and correct themselves in public ?
For me the baptism of desire(BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases only. I cannot meet or see someone saved as such.It is only God who can know if someone is saved with BOD and I.I. So there are no practical cases of BOD and I.I for me.There are also no practical exceptions to the past Magisterial ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.
But with visible for them,BOD and I.I, the priests and catechists and others in the parish, reject the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
They change the interpretation of Vatican Council II.Since for them, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, etc contradict the dogma EENS. There are practical exceptions for them.
So they have rejected the dogma EENS and the Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation.
They have changed the meaning of the Nicene Creed. It is " I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church( so EENS is rejected)".
They have changed the meaning of the Apostles Creed. It is " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church,'which teaches the Catholic Church today that there is known salvation outside the Church and so the Creeds and Catechisms are obsolete in their old understanding".
They have changed the meaning of the First Commandment which now indicates for them that outside the Catholic Church there is known salvation and so there is true worship in non Christian religions.
This is public heresy, scandal and schism and Holy Mass is offered/ attended, by all in the parish.
This scandal has to be rectified in public, before absolution is given in the Confessional. -Lionel Andrades
https://www.smnazaret.it/
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MAY 28, 2021
Priests are expected to affirm the Athanasius Creed in the parish. Vatican Council II according to Lionel Andrades is not a rupture
They also give the Eucharist to non-Christians and Catholic women who live with non-Christians.
Then they say that Jesus died for everyone, in a statement that is incomplete. Instead they should claim that Jesus died for everyone, but to receive salvation everyone needs to believe in Jesus as the Savior, who saves us all from Hell. Everyone needs to believe in Him and live His teachings in the Catholic Church, with faith and the baptism of water (AG 7). This is necessary for salvation from Hell. The priest does not say it. There are non-Christian policemen, present in the church, during Mass in Italian. They control what the priest says.
This parish in which I have lived for many years, is located in the diocese of Porta Santa Rufina, Rome and the bishop was until recently Gino Reali. The bishop-administrator of the diocese is now Mons. Gianrico Ruzza, Bishop of Civittavecchia-Tarquinia.
In this parish Pope Francis installed the Franciscans of the Immaculate, who celebrate Mass only in Italian. This was after closing the seminary of Fr. Stefano Manelli f.i. But last year the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate were asked to leave the parish and the seminary. Since the Comitato dell Immacolata, a lay organization of Fr. Stefano Manelli, legally regained possession of the land and properties. In their agreement with Bishop Gino Reali, they asked that the Franciscans leave.
They had to leave even though Pope Francis wanted them there. The liberal Franciscan community approved by Pope Francis was removed by the conservative, lay Catholic organization. Can the Comitato dell Immaculata, ensure that Catholic orthodoxy is taught and practiced in the parish ?
Yesterday at the morning Mass on the feast of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, a good priest of the Joselitos Christo community said that we must love everyone. He does not tell non-Christians their fate if they die in another religion. This is not love.
If the priests don't renounce the Catholic faith, the non-Christian police in Rome will criticize them and then the priests could be sent back to Brazil.-Lionel Andrades
JUNE 5, 2021
Religious communities in the parish would be saying the same thing as me except for their false premise which creates a non traditional conclusion for them
The Joseleitos Christo and Franciscans of the Immaculate priests would be saying the same thing as Lionel Andrades on Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)but for the false premise( invisible cases of BOD and I.I are visible)which the priests utilise, to create a non traditional conclusion (EENS, Athanasius Creed etc are obsolete).
JUNE 5, 2021
Catholic priests agree with me on five points but will not proclaim them in public
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/06/catholic-priests-agree-with-me-on-five.html
JUNE 8, 2021
These two religious communities agree with me but they are not proclaiming the faith in public
The Joselitos Christo and Franciscans of Immaculate priests agree with me on the FIVE POINTS. But they are not affirming Vatican Council II without the false premise.Since it would mean that they affirm the Athanasius Creed, 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.
These two religious communities agree with me but they are not proclaiming the faith in public. - Lionel Andrades
JUNE 5, 2021
Catholic priests in the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Rome agree with me on five points
In the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, near the Battistini Metro Station, there have been two religious communities housed there, the Joseleitos Christo and the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate.This is also the parish of Lionel Andrades according to his blog Eucharist and Mission( Lionel's Blog).The religious communities there agree with him on the following five points.
JUNE 4, 2021
They agree with me : A Catholic should be elected Mayor of Rome : Vatican Council II must be the test of being a Catholic
The priests of the Joseleitos de Christo community at the church Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, in principle agree that there are no objective examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 2021.There are no practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the present times (1965-2021).There are no physically visible cases of non Catholics, saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.We cannot see or meet someone who is an exception to the norm for salvation i.e faith and baptism (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).This was also the view of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, who were last year in this parish. They too agree with me.The Rector of Francisican Friar seminary in the parish was Fr. Rosario Sammarco f.i and Parish Priest, Fr.Giuseppe Grioni f.i.The seminary is closed and the building is under the management of the Comitato dell Immaculata, set up originally by Fr. Stefano Mannelli f.i.
In the parish today the Parish Priest Fr.Francisco De Barros Barbosa, sjc in public interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise. If he did not use the false premise, Vatican Council II (AG 7) would affirm the past ecumenism of return to the Catholic Church, an exclusivist ecclesiology, the old traditional theology of outside the Church there is no salvation and the need to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all national politics in Italy.
However he agrees with me - there are no objective exceptions to EENS. There are no physically visible cases of non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water and Catholic faith.
The priests of the Joseleitos di Christo and Franciscans of the Immaculate need to tell Catholics and especially parishioners, to vote only for candidates for the Mayor's office in Rome, who interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise.They would be true Catholics. With Vatican Council II ( rational) they would be affirming EENS.So based upon EENS they could proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King ( Quas Primas ) in all political legislation.Since outside the Church there is no known salvation the priority is that all accept the norm for salvation-faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, to avoid Hell.
We all agree that if there was any one saved outside the Catholic Church it could only be known to God.So Catholic faith and the baptism of water is still the norm and the priority to go to Heaven and avoid Hell for all people with no known exceptions.-Lionel Andrades
JUNE 3, 2021
In my parish the priests interpret Vatican Council II irrationally instead of rationally even after being informed.
In my parish the priests interpret Vatican Council II irrationally instead of rationally even after being informed.The traditional conclusion of the Council, interpreted without the false premise is too much for them. - Lionel Andrades
JUNE 2, 2021
In my parish the priests do not affirm the Athanasius Creed.
In may parish, Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, the priests do not affirm the Athanasius Creed. They change the meaning of the Nicene and Apostles Creed with the use of a false premise.They re-interpret Vatican Council II with the same fake premise and change the interpretations of all the Catechisms.They do consider this a mortal sin of faith.They about 'new information' and 'being open' and 'following Pope Francis'. Do they believe in the secrecy of the Sacrament of Confession ? Really? Why ? -Lionel Andrades
JUNE 1, 2021
Often it is the pope who transfers conservative religious. This time it was a lay organisation which transferred liberal religious, in Rome.
In the parish of Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Pope Francis closed down the seminary of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate in Rome.The seminary building and adjoining property is now held by the Comitato dell Immaculata, formed by Fr. Stefano Manelli f.i.
They objected to the presence of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculata.They had been there since Pope Francis shuttered the original seminary of Fr. Manelli.
So the Franciscans Friars of the Immaculate no more live at Casalotti.They do not any more offer Holy Mass there.
Often it is the pope who transfers conservative religious. This time it was a lay organisation which had the liberal religious, in Rome,tranferred.
I attend Holy Mass in Italian and affirm Catholic Tradition as a lay Catholic.There is no more a Latin Mass in the parish or even the adjoining area.
I affirm the Athanasius Creed (Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally...).
I affirm the Nicene and Apostles Creed, interpreted without a fake premise. So my interpretation of these two Creeds would be different from that of the present Parish Priest Fr. Francesco Barbosa, of the Brazilian Societa Joselitos Christo.
The Rector of the seminary at Casalotti, was Fr. Rosario Sammarco f.i.He now offers Mass at St.Mary Majors and remains the rector of the seminary in Tiburtina,Rome.
Fr.Rosario Samarco would reject the Athanasius Creed.He would interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise.It would be the same for the seminarians.It is the same for the Joselitos Chrito priests and the Italian diocesan priests.They are following the instructions of Vatican and the Rome Vicariate.
I accept Vatican Council II and interpret it without the false premise. So my interpretation of the Council would not be a rupture with Tradition( Athanasius Creed etc).The priests and religious communities in the parish and diocese, interpret the Council with the false premise. So our Profession of Faith will be different. Since our premises are different the Religious will emerge non traditional and I traditional.
I accept the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I).I do not reject them or deny them.For me they refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases only.They can only be hypothetical and theoretical in our human reality.Since if any one was saved with BOD and I.I it would only be known to God.So for me, BOD and I.I are not examples of known people in the present times ( 1965-2021), saved outside the Catholic Church.I cannot meet or see someone saved with BOD or I.I.So when Vatican Council II refers to BOD(LG 14) and I.I(LG 16), it is always a reference to a hypothetical and theoretical case which exists only in our mind.It cannot be a practical exception to EENS, as EENS was known to the Church Fathers and the missionaries in the 16th century.
For me the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake in the Letter to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney.How can BOD and I.I be practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS ?
So our interpretation of BOD and I.I would also be different. I would affirm an EENS with no exceptions and they would affirm an EENS with exceptions.
It is not known how the seminary building will be used. The original community of the Fransciscans Friars of the Immaculate are not seen here.-Lionel Andrades
JUNE 2, 2021
I affirm the Athanasius Creed
I affirm the Athanasius Creed,interpret the Nicene and Apostles Creed rationally,interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and do not use the false premise to interpret the Catechisms of Trent, Baltimore, Pius X, John Paul II etc.The Catechism of the Catholic Church is not a break with Tradition for me.I do not employ the false premise, inference and conclusion of cardinals Ratzinger and Schonborn.I interpret Vatican Council II rationally with the hermeneutic of continity with Feeneyite EENS, the Deposit of Faith and the popes and saints of the past.My interpretation of Church document is Magisterial,since it is rational, traditional and in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church.The present two popes interpretation of Magisterial documents with the false premise is not Magisterial. It is political. -Lionel Andrades
MAY 13, 2021
Pope Francis had to close down the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary and force the seminarians to study at the pontifical universities in Rome.There they had to interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms with the false premise, inference and non traditional conclusion.They had to accept this leftist, political interpretation of the Council .Now they teach it to others
MAY 30, 2021
In my parish the priests have changed the meaning of the Nicene and Apostles Creed and rejected the Athanasius Creed and they offer Holy Mass in Italian. They interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to project a non traditional conclusion and then then offer Holy Mass.
MAY 30, 2021
In my parish the priests reject the Athanasius Creed, change the Nicene and Apostles Creed and re-interpet Vatican Council II irrationally and do not deny it. They agree with me!
MAY 29, 2021
Scandal at my parish
I affirm the Athanasius Creed (Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally...)in the parish but the priests and many of the parishioners do not do the same.
I live in the parish, Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea.It is a 20-minute drive from Rome's Battistini Metro Station.How can they offer/attend Holy Mass and not affirm the infallible teaching of the Athanasius Creed?
I affirm Vatican Council II interpreted rationally in the parish but the priests and most of the parishioners do not do so.
For me LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are practical exceptions for the Athanasius Creed. In other words, they refer to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. They refer to physically visible people saved without faith and the baptism of water.Invisible and unknown people cannot be exceptions to the Creed. So with this irrationality they make the Athanasius Creed obsolete.
My interpretation of Vatican Council II is rational and traditional.It is not a break with the Creeds.
How can the priests and people offer/attend Holy Mass with an irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II etc ?
When the priests and people in the parish do not affirm the Athanasius Creed and Vatican Council II, do they no have to go for the Sacrament of Confession, end the scandal and correct themselves in public ?
For me the baptism of desire(BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases only. I cannot meet or see someone saved as such.It is only God who can know if someone is saved with BOD and I.I. So there are no practical cases of BOD and I.I for me.There are also no practical exceptions to the past Magisterial ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.
But with visible for them,BOD and I.I, the priests and catechists and others in the parish, reject the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
They change the interpretation of Vatican Council II.Since for them, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, etc contradict the dogma EENS. There are practical exceptions for them.
So they have rejected the dogma EENS and the Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation.
They have changed the meaning of the Nicene Creed. It is " I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church( so EENS is rejected)".
They have changed the meaning of the Apostles Creed. It is " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church,'which teaches the Catholic Church today that there is known salvation outside the Church and so the Creeds and Catechisms are obsolete in their old understanding".
They have changed the meaning of the First Commandment which now indicates for them that outside the Catholic Church there is known salvation and so there is true worship in non Christian religions.
This is public heresy, scandal and schism and Holy Mass is offered/ attended, by all in the parish.
This scandal has to be rectified in public, before absolution is given in the Confessional. -Lionel Andrades
https://www.smnazaret.it/
JUNE 11, 2021
Vatican Council II is dogmatic
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE LIONEL ANDRADES INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
1.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
It is the listing of the rational and irrational premise, inference and conclusion. It identifies two different premises with two different conclusions. So the rational premise produces a traditional conclusion and the Vatican Council II is in harmony with Tradition. It has a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition even though Rahner, Congar, Rarzinger and Cushing were present at the Council in 1965.
Collegiality, ecumenism and religious liberty are no more an issue for the conservatives , when Vatican Council II is traditional. Lumen Gentium 8, Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 ecc. oin Vatican Council II refer to only physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.
12.Vatican Council II is dogmatic ?
Yes. Pope Paul VI and the liberals call Vatican Council II "pastoral" and not dogmatic. Since they do not want to affirm the rigorous interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). Without their false premise the Council is dogmatic. It supports the rigorous interpretation of EENS.This was EENS according to the missionaries and the Magisterium of the sixteenth century. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc., in the Second Vatican Council, if interpreted rationally, cannot be practical exceptions to EENS. Invisible cases in our reality cannot be objective exceptions to EENS. For example, to get on the bus you have to be present at the bus station. If you are not physically at the bus stop it is not possible to get on the bus.
Another example is, if there is an apple in a box of oranges, the apple is an exception since it is there in the box. If it was not there in that box it would not be an exception. Similarly LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 etc.,refer only to hypothetical cases. We cannot meet or see anyone saved outside the Church, without faith and the baptism of water. So the Council is not referring to real people, known people in the present times.
Unknown and invisible cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14) and of being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) cannot be objective exceptions for EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.There is no conflict.
So when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally it is dogmatic. -Lionel Andrades
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