Saturday, February 25, 2023
Wikipedia’s entries cause confusion
Wikipedia’s
entries on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Fr. Leonard Feeney, Vatican Council II
etc are causing a lot of confusion for the Catholic Church. Since Wikipedia
interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism and not Feeneyism, with the
irrational and not rational premise. In the same way they interpret the baptism
of desire and invincible ignorance irrationally and not rationally. This is
political. It is also unethical.- Lionel Andrades
Dom Alcuin Reid
Dom Alcuin Reid’s Latin Mass community in France could appeal to the French government Ministries to interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, in Vatican Council II rationally. Then the ecclesology of the Church will be the same at Mass in Latin and French. The Latin Mass will not be an issue.- Lionel Andrades
The Latin Mass does not unite.
The Latin
Mass does not unite. We can interpret Vatican Council II like Archbishop Marcel
Lefebvre or Archbishop Thomas E. Gullickson, like traditionalist Brother Thomas
Augustine micm or Brother Andre Marie micm.
Neither does Holy Mass in the vernacular unite. We can interpret Lumen Gentium 14 (baptism of desire) and Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance) like Scott Hahn or John Martignoni and the conclusion will be non-traditional or traditional respectively.Both attend the same Mass in English.
We can interpret Vatican Council II ( LG 14, LG 16 etc) like the Benedictine
Fr.Stephen Visintin osb, former Rector and Dean of Theology at the University
of St. Thomas Aquinas, or , like Cardinal Arthur Roche, Andrea Grillo and the
present rector and dean of theology at St. Anselm and the conclusion will be
radically different.- Lionel Andrades
Brother Thomas Augustine micm
Brother
Thomas Augustine micm, Superior of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, St.
Benedict Center, Still River, MA, USA will apply to the Dicastery for Divine
Worship, Vatican. He will ask for permission for his religious community, to
offer the Latin Mass. He affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra
ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) but at the same time contradicts EENS with Vatican
Council II interpreted irrationally. He interprets the Council like the main
line Church in Massachusetts.
The bishop
of Worcester, where the St. Benedict Center is situated does not affirm the
strict interpretation of EENS, like Brother Thomas Augustine. The bishop also
accepts Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally.
So far there
has been no problem with the Latin Mass.
The other
St. Benedict Center, in Richmond, New Hampshire has its chapel closed. The the
Latin Mass is not permitted there.
The priests
at the SBC in Still River, MA, do not affirm Vatican Council II, rational. So for Brother Thomas Augustine the SBC could be permitted to have the Latin Mass at their community chapel, as
normal.
If Brother Thomas Augustine interpreted the baptism of desire (BOD) and being saved in invincible
ignorance(I.I) irrationally they would be denying the traditional, strict
interpretation of EENS. Then there would be no Decree of Prohibitions issued
against them. They could have the Latin Mass with no objections. They would
be Cushingites and not Feeneyites and this is politically correct with the
Dicastery.- Lionel Andrades
Sedevacantists
Sedevacantist priests with
Bishop Donald Sanborn and Bishop Mark Pivarunas’ traditionalist communities can
apply to the Dicastery for Divine Worship for permission to offer Mass in
Latin, if they accept Pope Francis as
the pope and leave their sedevacantist communities. Since Vatican Council II is
not an issue. They already interpret the Council irrationally like the FSSP and
the ICKSP priests who offer the Latin Mass. If they were to interpret the
Council rationally, permission would not be given to offer the Latin Mass.- Lionel Andrades
Father Francesco Giordano
Fr.Francesco Giordano,
the Director of the Human Life International Office, Rome, and professor of theology
at the University of St.Thomas Aquinas, Rome, can apply to the Dicastery of
Divine Worship for permission to offer
the Latin Mass . Since he interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and not
rationally. So he changes the understanding of the Creeds, Catechisms and the
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In such a condition, in the 16th century,
he would be excommunicated or considered an apostate and not allowed to offer Mass.-Lionel Andrades
Will the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the SSPX be given permission by the Dicastery to offer Holy Mass in Latin ?
Those
communities/ priests who interpret Vatican Council II rationally i.e. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22
etc refer to only hypothetical cases,
must not apply to the Dicastery for Divine Worship, Vatican, asking permission
to offer the Latin Mass. It will not be granted.
Bishop Dominique
Rey and Don Pietro Leone will be granted permission since they will interpret
Vatican Council II irrationally like the liberals i.e. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3,
NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to known non Catholics in 2023,
saved outside the Catholic Church, without faith and the baptism of
water.
It is the
same for being incardinated in Rome. If a priest affirms the strict
interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also Vatican
Council II interpreted rationally i.e. LG 8, 14, 16 , UR 3 etc, are only hypothetical
cases, then he will not be granted permission by the Rome Vicariate, to offer Holy Mass in Rome,
The issue is extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) which is not contradicted by invisible cases of LG 8, 14, 16 etc.Now the problem has been extended to Vatican Council II. The Council can be interpreted in harmony or as a rupture with EENS.
So think of many of the priests who will ask Cardinal Arthur Roche and his Dicastery,
permission to offer the Latin Mass and this will be granted to them since they
will interpret the Creeds irrationally. Thousands of priests are already doing this at Mass in the
vernacular.This is even though they can interpret the Council rationally at Mass in French for example.This was the situation in Dijon, France when Bishop Minnerath asked the FSSP to leave. No one asked the bishop and the diocesan priests in Dijon to interpret the Council rationally at the Novus Ordo Mass. This was the ethical thing to do.
Cardinal
Raymond Burke offers the Latin Mass with Vatican Council II and the Creeds
interpreted irrationally and Cardinal Walter Kasper does the same in German.
If Bishop
Georg Batzing interpreted Vatican Council II and EENS rationally it would mean
the has resigned from the German Synodal Way. There would be no development of
doctrine and dogma. Since the theology would not be there any more for the
change.It is only with the False Premise ( invisible cases of LG 8, 14 and 16 etc are physically visible in 2023), there can be a New Theology. It says outside the Catholic Church there is known salvation in the present times and so the dogma EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX are obsolete.
The Latin
Mass Societies and the Federation International Una Voce (FIUV) officially interpret
Vatican Council II irrationally like the English bishops. They are liberals. So
they will be granted permission by the Dicastery.
The
Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate will have to interpret Vatican Council II
irrationally and accept the non-traditional conclusion. They may not be given
permission by the Dicastery to offer Mass in Latin. The community of Fr. Stefano Manelli fi, may not even be given
permission by the local bishops to offer Mass in the vernacular.
Like the
Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) priests
do not accept Vatican Council II (irrational).Neither do they announce that
they accept Vatican Council II (rational), not that it will be helpful. So will
they be given permission to offer Mass in Latin?- Lionel Andrades
The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, the Society of St. Pius X and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary must ask Pope Francis and Cardinal Arthur Roche to interpret Vatican Council II rationally. Then the Latin Mass will not be an issue in the Catholic Church
The Franciscan
Friars of the Immaculate, the Society of St. Pius X and the Slaves of the
Immaculate Heart of Mary must ask Pope Francis and Cardinal Arthur Roche to
interpret Vatican Council II rationally. Then the Latin Mass will not be an
issue in the Catholic Church. The ecclesiology at Mass will be the same at all
Rites and languages. The religious communities can affirm Vatican Council II
and Tradition. While the cardinals and bishops will not be rejecting the
Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors and put Catechisms contravening Canon
Law.
The
Franciscans of the Immaculate and the Comitato dell Immaculata could ask Bishop
Gino Reali, the bishop of Porta Santa Rufina, Rome, where the Franciscan
seminary and former parish is located in
Boccea, Rome, to interpret Vatican Council II ethically, interpret the Creeds and
Catechisms honestly and permit the Latin Mass
there, as before. Also the popes must be told that at Mass in Italian,
Church Documents (Creeds, Catechisms etc) to interpret rationally. I would like
to assist the Comitato dell Immaculata as a resource person, free of charge.
The Vatican must be reminded of their moral responsibility. The Council must be
interpreted correctly and not politically. Then the Latin Mass is not the same.
It has the same ecclesiology as the Novus Ordo Mass. -Lionel Andrades