III. THE CHURCH IS
CATHOLIC ⇡
The Church and
non-Christians ⇡
The Church's
relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who
acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these
profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one,
merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330 (Lionel : Hypothetically a Muslim can be saved. In
reality we cannot know of any such case. So CCC 841 does not contradict the
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and neither CCC 845-846 ( Outside the Church
there is no salvation)
330.
LG 16; cf. NA 3.
The Church's bond
with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end
of the human race:All nations form
but one community. This is so because all stem from the one stock which God
created to people the entire earth, and also because all share a common
destiny, namely God. His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs
extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy
city...331(Lionel: Yes salvation is open to all in general but
to receive this salvation all need to enter the Catholic Church ( CCC 845-846,
Dominus Iesus 20 , Ad Gentes 7 etc).
331.
NA 1.
The Catholic Church recognizes
in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is
unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all
men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in
these religions as "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who
enlightens all men that they may at length have life."332 ( Lionel: Yes. For
salvation they must accept Jesus in the Catholic Church.( Ad Gentes 7, CCC
845-846 etc). Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.
332.
LG 16; cf. NA 2; EN 53.
In their religious behavior,
however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God
in them:Very often,
deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have
exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the
Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed
to ultimate despair.333
333.
LG 16; cf. Rom 1:21, 25.
To reunite all his children,
scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of
humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity
must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world
reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's
cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world."
According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by
Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.334 (Lionel: CCC
845 is saying outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation)
334.
St. Augustine, Serm. 96,7,9:PL
38,588; St. Ambrose, De virg. 18 118:PL 16,297B; cf.
already 1 Pet 3:20-21.
"Outside the Church there
is no salvation" ⇡
How are we to understand this
affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated
positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the
Church which is his Body:Basing itself on
Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on
earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way
of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself
explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at
the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as
through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic
Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to
enter it or to remain in it.336 (Lionel:
faith and baptism are necessary for salvation, membership in the Catholic
Church with faith and baptism are necessary for salvation. In Heaven there are
only Catholics. They are there with faith and baptism and without mortal sin on
their soul. Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation ( Council of
Florence 1442 etc)
335.
Cf. Cyprian, Ep. 73.21:PL
3,1169; De unit.:PL 4,509-536.
336.
This affirmation is not aimed
at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:Those who, through no fault of
their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless
seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do
his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience — those too
may achieve eternal salvation.337 (Lionel : Those who do not
know Christ and His Church and yet are saved are hypothetical cases. They are
invisible people in 2024. So they are not practical exceptions for the dogma
extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Fourth Lateran Council etc or CCC 845-846 or Ad Gentes 7 ( all need
faith and baptism for salvation).
337.
LG 16; cf. DS 3866-3872.
"Although in ways known
to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant
of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the
Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all
men."338(Lionel: Those who are saved in invincibile ignorance
are once again, hypothetical cases only. We cannot meet or see someone saved in
ignorance. This can only be known to God. So being saved in ignorance is not an
objective exception for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or CCC 845-846).The Catechism of the Catholic Church supports Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The Catechism is in harmony with the Catechisms of Trent, Baltimore, Pius X etc
338.
AG 7; cf. Heb 11:6; 1 Cor 9:16.
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Current Endorsements for the Tradivox Catechism interpret the Catechisms with a fake premise while the Historic Endorsements interpreted the Catechisms with a rational premise and so with the old theology. - Lionel Andrades
CURRENT ENDORSEMENTS
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Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke
Prefect Emeritus, Apostolic Signatura
How are they to believe in one of whom they have never heard?” (Rom 10:14). At the heart of the profound crisis of Faith, which we are witnessing in the Church today, is the lack of sound catechesis. In the same way, sound and faithful catechesis will be at the heart of the renewal of Our Holy Mother the Church. The Catholic Catechism Index does much to hasten that renewal by making readily accessible to all Catholics the many faithful catechisms which have provided an irreplaceable service to Our Lord’s Spotless Bride, the Church, throughout the Christian centuries. May God bless the work of Tradivox and make it redound to His glory and to the salvation of countless souls.
Gerhard Cardinal Müller
Prefect Emeritus, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
The Catholic Catechism Index makes crucial sources of the sacred tradition accessible to the contemporary reader and scholar. Intelligently and in a resourceful way, Tradivox presents ancient truths easily and in a user-friendly manner, especially to our young Catholic faithful who are often desirous of knowing the depths of the faith yet do not know where to start. Projects like this are invaluable for those studying, or otherwise interested in, Catholic theology, particularly today, at a time in which we often lack a good understanding of the continuity and stability of Catholic teaching. Without such understanding, our efforts of evangelization are shallow. I am very pleased to endorse this wonderful effort and wish it worldwide success.
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This collection of catechisms across the centuries known as Tradivox demonstrates the fidelity of the Catholic leadership as their bishops faithfully teach what Christ taught, preserved for us in the apostolic tradition, developing and representing this deposit of doctrine to answer new challenges and exploit new opportunities.
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This project will convincingly show the essentially unchanging nature of the apostolic doctrine across time and space, and so I invite the faithful of the entire world to support this historic effort, as we seek to restore the perennial Catechism of the Church. The project of a Catechism restoration on behalf of Tradivox will surely be of great benefit not only to many confused and disoriented Catholic faithful, but also to all people who are sincerely seeking the ultimate and authentic truth about God and man, which one can find only in the Catholic and Apostolic Faith, and which is the only religion and Faith willed by God and to which God calls all men.
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Tradivox promises to be a treasury of truth and tradition that is desperately needed in the world today. We need to return to the basic sources of our beautiful traditions of Catholic Faith and make them accessible to this generation. Too much has been lost, diminished or ignored in the haze of modernity that is nearing a crescendo of darkness in these days. The documents that Tradivox will bring to light and re-introduce to the world give clear and steady answers to the questions of today. May many read and learn the Truth of God that guides us.
HISTORIC ENDORSEMENTS
Our catechisms have been hailed across hundreds of years, and thousands of miles:
Pope Leo XIII
Vicar of Christ
"[The Catechism of Trent] is remarkable at once for the richness and exactness of its doctrine, and for the elegance of its style; it is a precious summary of all theology, both dogmatic and moral. He who understands it well, will have always at his service those aids by which a priest is enabled to preach with fruit, to acquit himself worthily of the important ministry of the confessional and of the direction of souls, and will be in a position to refute the objections of unbelievers."
Abp. John Henni
Archbishop of Milwaukee
"Deharbe's Catechisms, both the larger and the smaller, have for a long time been in use in many schools of my diocese... It is, therefore, scarcely necessary for me to declare that the Catholic Catechism of Father Jos. Deharbe, S.J., has my fullest approval, and that I specially recommend the same in its newly revised form[.]"
Henry Cardinal Manning
Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster
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Abp. Thomas Grace
Titular Archbishop of Siunia
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Bp. James Bayley
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Francis Cardinal Bourne
Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster
"We cordially bless the second edition of this work [The Catechism Simply Explained], and trust that it will continue to do the good which has so largely resulted from it in the past."
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New Online Library: 1000 Years of Catechisms is flawed. Since it can be interpreted with Cushingism or Feeneyism, with the irrational premise or the rational premise and the conclusion is different
There can be two interpretations of the Catechisms.
So in the Catechism of Pope Pius X, 24Q (invincible ignorance) would contradict 27 Q and 29Q (other religions are not paths to salvation, outside the Church there is no salvation), for them- but not for me.
For them 29 Q would be a visible case of someone saved outside the Catholic Church but for me it is an invisible case. They are irrational and I am rational. For them the Catechism contradicts itself but for me there is no contradiction.
Similarly they would accept the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston which indicates that invisible cases of the baptism of desire are visible exceptions for Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Similarly Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance) and Lumen Gentium 14(being saved with the baptism of desire) would be exceptions for the dogma EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors for them - but not for me.
Since are premises are different are conclusions are different. For them invisible people are visible and for me they are invisible only.
For them invisible people are visible exceptions for the dogma EENS. For me invisible cases cannot be exceptions for the dogma EENS. 1
- Lionel Andrades
1
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/08/archbishop-carlo-maria-vigano-cannot.html
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