Saturday, September 28, 2024

The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican made an objective and factual error in the interpretation of Vatican Council II during the trial of Archbishop Vigano

 Translation from the Italian text  by Mike Lewis at the blog Where Peter Is

DICASTERIUM PRO DOCTRINA FIDEI

Prot. No. 194/2024

H.E. Archbishop Carlo Maria VIGANO titular archbishop of Ulpiana

Extrajudicial criminal process ex can. 1720 CIC coram Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith

Can. 1364 CIC, art. 2 SST

CRIMINAL DECREE

PREMISE

1.     H.E. Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò was born in Varese on January 16, 1941, was ordained priest on March 24, 1968 for the Diocese of Pavia and consecrated bishop by Pope St. John Paul II on April 26, 1992. He has held the following positions: Apostolic Nuncio to Nigeria, Delegate for Papal Representations, Secretary General of the Governorate of Vatican City State, Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America.

2.     The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, taking into account the public statements of H.E. Archbishop Viganò, traceable on the web (statements published in writing and video recordings), from which it appears that he rejects submission to the Supreme Pontiff, communion with the members of the Church subject to him, and the legitimacy and magisterial authority of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, in a letter dated March 25, 2024, sent to the prelate via e-mail ([the mailing address of] Archbishop Viganò is unknown), invited him to the headquarters of the Dicastery “to deepen his positions. (Emphasis added)

In this official text of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, the DDF has asked Archbishop Carlo Vigano to accept the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II and to accept Pope Francis while he interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally, to produce an artificial break with Catholic Tradition.

The DCF is not in communion with Jesus and His Church and neither is Pope Francis. They need to end the scandal.Only Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally can it be Magisterial.Pope Francis then will not be in a rupture with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church. -Lionel Andrades




SEPTEMBER 28, 2024

Priests at Prenestina, Rome agree that Lumen Gentium 16 refers to an invisible case in 2024: Pope Francis, Cardinal Fernandez and the DDF made a mistake in the Vigano trial

 


Vatican Council II (irrational) is obsolete. Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez must admit it. He used the wrong version of the Council at the schism-trial for Archbishop Vigano. He interpreted the Council like Fr. Sebastian Vazhakhala mc and I in 2003 and not like us in 2024.The 2003 interpretation was also part of the religious formation of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano and the Church at large.

Why should any Catholic accept Pope Francis as the pope when he interprets Vatican Council II irrationally as did Fr. Sebastian Vazhakhala and I and priests in general, in 2003 and not rationally as in 2024?

Archbishop Vigano has the right to reject Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally and not rationally by Pope Francis?

He has the right to reject a pope who interprets Vatican Council II and the Creeds and Catechisms, irrationally and not rationally.

Pope Paul VI and the other popes who followed, interpreted Lumen Gentium 16 as a physically visible example of salvation in the present times (1965). But the priests in the Prenestina area of Rome today, all agree that Lumen Gentium 16 refers to an invisible case in 2024. We cannot meet or see a person on earth saved in invincible ignorance. It can only be known to God. Even non Christians and non Catholics agree on this point.

For all of here, in this locality, near Porta Maggiore, LG 16 refers to a hypothetical case only. LG 16, NA 2, GS 22, UR 3 etc in Vatican Council II refer to theoretical cases only. So they cannot be objective exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Athanasius Creed and the rest of Tradition. Vatican Council II does not contradict the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. It is not a break with the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century on EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Councils and Catechisms.

We have continuity with the past.

So there no more is theological support for the liberalism of the German Synod and neither for the liberalism of the trial for  of the former Nuncio to the USA.

The 2024 interpretation of Lumen Gentium 16 would also be that of the Islamic organization in Rome, which represents Muslims and is recognized by the Rome Vicariate. All the Missionaries of Charity Sisters at nearby Casilina and Settimo Caeili, Rome would agree with them. - Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/09/priests-at-prenestina-rome-agree-that.html

SEPTEMBER 27, 2024

Over 20 years

 

In 2003, when I spoke to Fr. Sebastian Vazhakhala m.c he was not willing to affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla slaus (EENS).Lumen Gentium 16 was an exception for EENS him. In other words, it referred to a visible and known case in our reality, someone saved outside the Church. Now in 2024 he knows that Lumen Gentium 16 is an invisible case. So it is not an exception for Tradition. LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are hypothetical cases for him. So now he is saying the same thing as me.

So there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict Feeneyite EENS i.e. the EENS of the Council of Florence 1442 etc. This has to be acknowledged publically by Cardinal Fernandez and the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the (DCF). In the trial of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano Cardinal Fernandez and Pope Francis interpreted Vatican Council II, confusing Lumen Gentium 16.

The norm for salvation is faith and baptism. The norm is not being saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire. So in general all Jews and Muslim, and other non Catholics, according to Vatican Council II (AG 7), need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation from Hell. The norm for salvation is not being saved in invincible ignorance. - Lionel Andrades

 

 SEPTEMBER 25, 2024

Vigano trial violates Church and secular law : Vatican Council II was interpreted deceptively

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/09/when-priest-says-that-lumen-gentium-16.html

MARCH 16, 2024

We are all saying the same thing when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally

 








- Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/03/we-are-all-saying-same-thing.html

OCTOBER 12, 2023


Fr.Paolo Boumis, Parish Priest, Sant Agapito, Rome, the Missionaries of Charity (Men) of Mother Teresa and the Vicar General Cardinal Angelo Donatis and his Auxiliary Bishops in Rome, agree with me: there are no visible cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of water in 2023

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/10/frpaolo-boumis-parish-priest-sant.html

JULY 27, 2024

All religious communities need to choose only Feeneyism ( invisible people are invisible ) to interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
















https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/07/all-religious-communities-need-to.html

 SEPTEMBER 24, 2024



Institutional dishonesty. Injustice against Vigano

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/09/obsolete-was-interpretation-of-vatican.html




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 SEPTEMBER 23, 2024

Obsolete - since now we can interpret Vatican Council II rationally, 'the red is not an exception for the blue', LG 8,14,15,16 refer to invisible and not visible cases in 2024. So they are not exceptions for EENS and the rest of Tradition.

 




This book on Vatican Council II written by Roberto dei Mattei was written with 'the red being an exception for the blue'. It is obsolete.



This book by Christopher A. Ferrara and many of his other books were also written with the irrational premise i.e 'the red is an exception for the blue'. Morally, he must admit that 'the red is not an exception for the blue'.




Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre's books are now obsolete. We know we can interpret Vatican Council II with 'the red not being an exception for the blue'.

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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/09/obsolete-since-now-we-can-interpret.html

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