Tuesday, October 1, 2024

This was not known to Archbishop Carlo Vigano who presented his defense in the schism trial based upon Tradition, when the issue was Vatican Council II irrational and rational. Vatican Council II irrational makes Tradition obsolete. But Vatican Council II rational, his strong point, makes liberalism obsolete. So he had not to cite Archbishop Lefebvre but the posts on this blog

 

Pope Francis, in public, interprets Vatican Council II and the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms irrationally and the FSSP, SSPX, Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano and others follow him. They consider this apostolic and magisterial.

Since I interpret Vatican Council II rationally, I have a different perspective. I can see things differently. Our premise, inference and conclusion are different.

Pope Paul VI, Cardinal Ottaviani and Archbishop Lefebvre used the irrational premise (invisible people are visible on earth). The rational premise is invisible people are invisible on earth. So Lumen Gentium 16 etc refers to an invisible case in 1965-2024.

So our inference must also be different since our premise is different. Lumen Gentium 16 is not a break with the dogma EENS for me as it is for them. Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition for them but not for me. Our conclusions are different.

This is something which is there in public and can be verified by anyone interested.

This was not known to Archbishop Carlo Vigano who presented his defense in the schism trial based upon Tradition, when the issue was Vatican Council II irrational and rational. Vatican Council II irrational makes Tradition obsolete. But Vatican Council II rational, his strong point, makes liberalism obsolete. So he had not to cite Archbishop Lefebvre but the posts on this blog. - Lionel Andrades

FEBRUARY 5, 2020

FALSE PREMISE, INFERENCE AND CONCLUSION (GRAPHICS)










-Lionel Andrades
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NOVEMBER 2, 2016

When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism. When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.


IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively invisible in 2016.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown cases in 2016.There is no personally known case.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is assuming others (in general) cannot see invisible cases in the present and the past.It is assuming that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown and invisible case in the present or past.
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When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.
When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.
-Lionel Andrades

https://gloria.tv/video/KGTNnspuhZyG6uMAzDyAv4vvJ

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/01/repost-when-irrational-premise-is-used.html




AUGUST 22, 2021

The mainstream Church is liberal today because of the fake premise. Let them use a rational premise and the liberalism falls off from the whole Church

 

The mainstream  Church is liberal today because of the fake premise. Let them use a rational premise and the liberalism falls off from the whole Church.






Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference

They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion

Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise

LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference

They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.


Rational Conclusion

Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine 

of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-

IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2021.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively invisible in 2021.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2021.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown cases in 2021.There is no personally known case.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is assuming others (in general) cannot see invisible cases in the present and the past.It is assuming that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown and invisible case in the present or past.

When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.

When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.Lionel Andrades










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Lionel Andrades

Promotore dell'interpretazione di Lionel Andrades del Concilio Vaticano II. Per lui il Concilio è dogmatico e non solo pastorale.

Scrittore sulla scoperta delle due interpretazioni del Concilio Vaticano II, l'una razionale e l'altra irrazionale, si interpreta l'una con la falsa premessa e l'altra senza. Uno è Magistrale e l'altro, quello comune, è non Magistrale.

Lo stesso vale per i Credo ei Catechismi.
Ci possono essere due interpretazioni.
Perché i cattolici dovrebbero scegliere una versione irrazionale che è eretica, non tradizionale e scismatica, quando c'è un'opzione razionale che è tradizionale?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission )

E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

AUGUST 4, 2021

Poland and Hungary need to adopt the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/poland-and-hungary-need-to-adopt-lionel.html




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