April 24, 2019
Repost : Everyone in Heaven is Catholic - Michael Voris
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/repost-everyone-in-heaven-is-catholic.html
Lionel: I agree with Michael Voris here.
However
theologically there is no clarification from Church Militant
TV(CMTV).Since for CMTV the baptism of desire and being saved in
invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus.This was the view in an otherwise good Mic'd Up program on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus hosted by Christine Niles,with Michael Voris commenting from Rome.
CMTV
accepts the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which says the baptism of
desire etc,allegedly without the baptism of water, are exceptions to
the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS, expressed well by
Michael Voris here on this Vortex.
Michael
has in the past however also said that 'every one does not need to be a
card carrying member of the Church'. Simon Rafe also supports this
theological position of Michael Voris which is that of the liberals and
traditionalists.
It
is part of the new theology, based on a false premise, which makes the
new theology contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction.
It is this new theology which is part of the CMTV interpretation of Vatican Council II.
So
Vatican Council II would say for the CMTV team that all need to enter
the Church (AG 7, LG 14) but some do not need to do so (LG 16. LG
14).Here LG 16, LG 14,for CMTV, refer to explicit cases based on the
false premise.
This
would not be how I would interpret Vatican Council II. LG 16 and LG 14
would refer to hypothetical cases. So it would not be an exception to
Michael Voris' understanding of salvation, as expressed clearly and
directly in this Vortex.
So the Catechism of the Catholic Church for CMTV would say all need the baptism of water for salvation(CCC 1257) and it would also say contradictorily that God is not limited to the Sacraments, and so all do not need the Sacrament of Baptism for salvation.This is an expression of the new theology.
For
me CCC 1257 would not contradict itself as it does for CMTV, since we
do not know any case in 2016 or in the past, of someone saved without
the baptism of water because God is not limited to the Sacraments. So
'God is not limited to the Sacraments',for me, does not contradict
Michael's clear presentation of Catholic salvation in this Vortex.
This new theology on salvation has a direct bearing on the liturgy.It influences are lex orandi,lex credendi and lex vivendi which
Christine Niles mentioned on the last Friday Download.It was on the
Sacred Liturgy and Cardinal Sarah's comments on the priest facing East
and all communicants needing to kneel.
THEOLOGICAL CLARIFICATION NEEDED
THEOLOGICAL CLARIFICATION NEEDED
Could
CMTV theologically say that there are no known cases of the baptism of
desire or blood, and being saved in invincible ignorance, in 2016,with
or without the baptism of water?
Also that there could be no such known case in the past for us human beings?
When
the saints and the popes referred to the baptism of desire etc they
were referring to invisible- for- them baptism of desire.There were no
objective cases, seen in the flesh?
So the baptism of desire etc being invisible and not known in personal cases is not, and was not, an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?
It
means that the magisterium made a mistake in the second part of the
Letter of the Holy Office 1949 when it assumed hypothetical cases, are
known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Also mentioning these cases in Vatican Council II was a mistake.They are superfluous passages.
-Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/07/everyone-in-heaven-is-catholic-michael.html
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