Brother Andre Marie MICM had posted an article on the four marks of the Church in which he could have clarified that he interprets Vatican Council II and other Magisterial documents without the false premise. Since Cardinal Walter Kasper and Fr. Thomas Weinandy could also affirm the four marks of the Church but interpret the Council with the irrationality and so there is the expected rupture with Catholic Tradition. -Lionel Andrades
Monday, August 31, 2020
Brother Andre Marie MICM had posted an article on the four marks of the Church in which he could have clarified that he interprets Vatican Council II and other Magisterial documents without the false premise. Since Cardinal Walter Kasper and Fr. Thomas Weinandy could also affirm the four marks of the Church but interpret the Council with the irrationality and so there is the expected rupture with Catholic Tradition.
Ignatius Press, Angelus Press and the German media are still acting as if everything is normal. They are producing books, articles and theological papers with Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise, instead of without it.
Ignatius Press, Angelus Press and the German media are still acting as if everything is normal. They are producing books, articles and theological papers with Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise, instead of without it. -Lionel Andrades
Dr.Taylor Marshall wants to stay on the Internet. So he is not going to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise. He would then be affirming EENS with no exceptions.
Dr.Taylor Marshall wants to stay on the Internet. So he is not going to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise. He would then be affirming EENS with no exceptions. -Lionel Andrades
Cardinal Raymond Burke had to disassociate himself from the Dignitatis Institute in Italy. He also has to say that invisible cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc are visible exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.But what is stopping Benjamin Harnwell and Steve Bannon from speaking the truth on this subject ?
Cardinal Raymond Burke had to disassociate himself from the Dignitatis Institute in Italy. He also has to say that invisible cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc are visible exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.But what is stopping Benjamin Harnwell and Steve Bannon from speaking the truth on this subject ? - Lionel Andrades
All these years Edward Pentin would not write on this subject of exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church since if he chose to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise, he would have to affirm the strict interpretation of EENS. He is following the policy of the National Catholic Register and EWTN which interprets Vatican Council II with the irrationality to create a break with Tradition. All their apologists do the same.
All these years Edward Pentin would not write on this subject of exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church since if he chose to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise, he would have to affirm the strict interpretation of EENS. He is following the policy of the National Catholic Register and EWTN which interprets Vatican Council II with the irrationality to create a break with Tradition. All their apologists do the same. -Lionel Andrades
Catholic school children all over the world are taught that invisible cases of LG8, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II are visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church.So all do not need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation. This confusion remains with Catholic even when they are adults
Catholic school children all over the world are taught that invisible cases of LG8, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II are visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church.So all do not need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation. This confusion remains with Catholic even when they are adults. -Lionel Andrades
Chiara Lubich and Mother Teresa founders of religious communities, wrongly interpreted Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition.They did not know about the false premise.Possibly Kiko Arguello, will also die without knowing about the error.
Chiara Lubich and Mother Teresa founders of religious communities, wrongly interpreted Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition.They did not know about the false premise.Possibly Kiko Arguello, will also die without knowing about the error. -Lionel Andrades
All the books on Vatican Council II in general, are written with a false premise. They assume Lumen Gentium 16 is an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). Now when authors and professors are asked to comment on the error or correct it, they will not do so. Since they do not want to affirm the strict interpretation of EENS.
All the books on Vatican Council II in general, are written with a false premise. They assume Lumen Gentium 16 is an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
Now when authors and professors are asked to comment on the error or correct it, they will not do so. Since they do not want to affirm the strict interpretation of EENS. -Lionel Andrades
Saturday, August 29, 2020
Michael Voris produced a critical video against Bishop Roberto Barron which was emotional. Instead he should have pointed out the simple facts.
Michael Voris produced a critical video against Bishop Roberto Barron which was emotional. Instead he should have pointed out the simple facts.
1. Bishop Barron interprets Vatican Council II with an irrational premise and inference and so his conclusion is non traditional. Without this error Barron would have to affirm EENS and Tradition( Syllabus etc) like the traditionalists at the St. Benedict Centers, USA.
He would then be called Radical Traditionalist.
2.It is unethical and deceptive for the bishop to interpret the Creeds and Catechisms with an irrationality and create a division in the Church, with the past Magisterium. His approach is false.
3. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the USCCB and Pope Francis must affirm Vatican Council II, EENS and other Magisterial documents( Athanasius Creed, Nicene Creed etc) without the false premise and set a precedent for Bishop Robert Barron and the USCCB cardinals and Bishops to do the same.-Lionel Andrades
Dr.Joseph Shaw does not want to affirm Feeneyite EENS and so interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise. He wants to use the false premise. So he says 'the shepherds must decide' on the issue of salvation. He did not say the shepherds must decide on Amoris Laetitia or the errors of Mons. Loftus or the many petitions he was associated with, with appeals to Pope Francis.
Dr.Joseph Shaw does not want to affirm Feeneyite EENS and so interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise. He wants to use the false premise. So he says 'the shepherds must decide' on the issue of salvation. He did not say the shepherds must decide on Amoris Laetitia or the errors of Mons. Loftus or the many petitions he was associated with, with appeals to Pope Francis.
If LG 16 is an exception to EENS then there is a rupture with Tradition. But if LG 16 is not an exception to EEBNS then there is no hermenutic of rupture with Tradition( Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX etc).
He does not want to affirm Vatican Council II with LG 16 not being an exception to EENS, Syllabus etc. -Lionel Andrades
AUGUST 25, 2020
Dr.Joseph Shaw interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise.So he is not a Radical Traditionalists for the liberal bishops of Britain. But if he interpreted Vatican Council II and EENS without the false premise he would be a RT and may be not allowed to teach at the Benedictines St.Benet Hall, Oxford. The Benedictines and Dominicans at Oxford are not RTs since they use the false premise.
Dr.Joseph Shaw interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise.So he is not a Radical Traditionalists for the liberal bishops of Britain.
But if he interpreted Vatican Council II and EENS without the false premise he would be a RT and may be not allowed to teach at the Benedictines St.Benet Hall, Oxford.
The Benedictines and Dominicans at Oxford are not RTs since they use the false premise. -Lionel Andrades
If Bishop Robert Barron chooses to interpret Vatican Council II without a false premise he becomes a Radical Traditionalist. Conservative Catholics should be informing him about this. It is only with the deception; when he interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise, that he can pass off as a liberal.
If Bishop Robert Barron chooses to interpret Vatican Council II without a false premise he becomes a Radical Traditionalist.
Conservative Catholics should be informing him about this.
It is only with the deception; when he interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise, that he can pass off as a liberal. -Lionel Andrades
The ADL, SPLC is not allowing Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Prof. Roberto dei Mattei to affirm the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So they have to continue to interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechisms with the false premise to create a false rupture with Tradition( EENS, Syllabus etc).
The ADL, SPLC is not allowing Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Prof. Roberto dei Mattei to affirm the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So they have to continue to interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechisms with the false premise to create a false rupture with Tradition( EENS, Syllabus etc). -Lionel Andrades
Bishop Robert Barron would indicate that Michael Voris is a Radical Traditionalist.CMTV does not tell Barron and the USCCB that without the false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II they are Radical Traditionalists.
Bishop Robert Barron would indicate that Michael Voris is a Radical Traditionalist.CMTV does not tell Barron and the USCCB that without the false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II they are Radical Traditionalists. -Lionel Andrades
Dont buy any new books on Vatican Council II. They all have an objective error. They use a false premise and inference. In this way they create a false rupture with Tradition. The books of Bishop Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall were written with this error but so also those of Paul Lakeland and. Fr. Jared Wicks Sj.
Dont buy any new books on Vatican Council II. They all have an objective error. They use a false premise and inference. In this way they create a false rupture with Tradition. The books of Bishop Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall were written with this error but so also those of Paul Lakeland and. Fr. Jared Wicks Sj. -Lionel Andrades
Cardinal Walter Kasper would become a Radical Traditionalist if he did not use the irrational premise to interpret Vatican Council II.
Cardinal Walter Kasper would become a Radical Traditionalist if he did not use the irrational premise to interpret Vatican Council II. -Lionel Andrades
If Lumen Gentium 16 is an exception to EENS there is a rupture with Tradition. But if LG 16 is not an exception to EENS there is no hermeneutic of rupture.
If Lumen Gentium 16 is an exception to EENS there is a rupture with Tradition. But if LG 16 is not an exception to EENS there is no hermeneutic of rupture. -Lionel Andrades
If Lumen Gentium 16 is visible then there is a break with Tradition. But if LG 16 is invisible, hypothetical and theoretical only, there is no break with EENS, Syllabus etc. There is no break with the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
If Lumen Gentium 16 is visible then there is a break with Tradition. But if LG 16 is invisible, hypothetical and theoretical only, there is no break with EENS, Syllabus etc. There is no break with the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.- Lionel Andrades
Why should we accept what Lefebvrist Bishop Schneider says. He does not answer questions. He also has an agenda, an ideology.He is obligated to affirm Lumen Gentium 16 as an exception to EENS. The liberals and Masons want this.
Why should we accept what Lefebvrist Bishop Schneider says. He does not answer questions. He also has an agenda, an ideology.He is obligated to affirm Lumen Gentium 16 as an exception to EENS. The liberals and Masons want this. -Lionel Andrades
Wednesday, August 26, 2020
Fr.Leonard Feeney was not asked to recant his strict interpretation of EENS. After 19 years of excommunication it was accepted that BOD, BOB and I.I were not exceptions to EENS.However the liberals, Masons and Lefebvrists continued to interpret EENS with the false premise. They also chose to interpret Vatican Council II with the same false premise.
Fr.Leonard Feeney was not asked to recant his strict interpretation of EENS. After 19 years of excommunication it was accepted that BOD, BOB and I.I were not exceptions to EENS.However the liberals, Masons and Lefebvrists continued to interpret EENS with the false premise. They also chose to interpret Vatican Council II with the same false premise.-Lionel Andrades
Bishop Robert Barron would have to accept EENS like the traditionalists at the SBC if he affirmed Vatican Council II without the false premise.
The concept of traditionalist-progressivist ends when Vatican Council II is not interpreted with the false premise. Since there can then be no development of doctrine with a Vatican Council II which does not contradict Tradition.
The concept of Radical Traditionalist emerges when Catholics do not interpret Vatican Council II, without the false premise.They only know of a Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise.
Bishop Robert Barron would have to accept EENS like the traditionalists at the SBC if he affirmed Vatican Council II without the false premise. -Lionel Andrades
When Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior at the St. Benedict Cener, N.H, USA says that in Heaven there are only Catholics.This is not contradicted by Vatican Council II and EENS interpreted without the false premise.Interpreted rationally.
When Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior at the St. Benedict Cener, N.H, USA says that in Heaven there are only Catholics.This is not contradicted by Vatican Council II and EENS interpreted without the false premise.Interpreted rationally.
It is contradicted with Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise, since then visible cases of LG 8, LG 16 etc are objective examples of salvation outside the Church and allegedly visible exceptions to EENS. -Lionel Andrades
Bishop Schneider needs the hermeneutic of rupture since he does not want to affirm EENS with no exceptions. The ecclesiastics in his diocese need to interpret Vatican Council II without exceptions to EENS.Since they cannot boldly proclaim an EENS which is traditional
Bishop Schneider needs the hermeneutic of rupture since he does not want to affirm EENS with no exceptions. The ecclesiastics in his diocese need to interpret Vatican Council II without exceptions to EENS.Since they cannot boldly proclaim an EENS which is traditional. -Lionel Andrades
When there are no exceptions to EENS in Vatican Council II Bishop Schneider has to come back to Tradition. There is no other choice.
When there are no exceptions to EENS in Vatican Council II Bishop Schneider has to come back to Tradition. There is no other choice.- Lionel Andrades
Tuesday, August 25, 2020
The Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales and my intepretation of Gaudium Specs 22 is different. 'The red is not an exception to the blue ' for me
The Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales and my intepretation of Gaudium Specs 22 is different. 'The red is not an exception to the blue ' for me.
All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way.(31) For, since Christ died for all men,(32) and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery.-Gaudium et Specs 22. Quoted above in Catholic Answers Magazine
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/what-no-salvation-outside-the-church-means
We ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery.- Gaudium et Specs 22.
Yes as a possibility but no as a defacto, reality.
Yes hypothetically but not in fact, not in reality, not personally known.
The Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error confuses the distinction between a possibility with being known in reality.
When this distinction is not made Vatican Council comes across as 'ambiguous'.
TWO WAYS TO READ GS 22
For him Gaudium et Specs 22 refers to known non Catholics saved outside the Church, saved with good will.They are practically known to him.So they become exceptions to EENS. There are no such people known to us human beings, for me. They can only be known to God.So I have avoided his false premise.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/we-are-in-same-church-but-our.html
TERMS CLARIFIED
BOD( Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)
GS 22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and baptism but with goodwill.
FEBRUARY 9, 2020
IRRATIONAL PREMISE, INFERENCE AND CONCLUSION OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (1994) (Graphics)
- Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
- Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.