If Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise he will be a traditionalist. Now he interprets the Council with the Irrational Premise, creates a False Break with Tradition and uses this error to justify changes in faith and morals and a general liberalism. He changes the understanding of the Creeds and Catechisms. The Nicene Creed has become 'I believe in three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins.'This happens when the Irrational Premise ( what is invisible is assumed to be visible, Lumen Gentium 14 is a physically visible case in 2022-2023)is chosen to interpret LG 14 etc.
THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 TO THE ARCHBISHOP
OF BOSTON USED THE IRRATIONAL PREMISE. IT WAS CUSHINGITE.
VATICAN COUNCIL II ( AD GENTES 7, LUMEN GENTIUM 14)
FROM THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 1258
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 1259
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 1260
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 846
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 847
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 848
8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
-Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/03/there-are-two-interpretations-of-nicene.html
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FALSE PREMISE DEFINED
Their false premise is:-
1. Invisible people are visible.
2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.
3.The unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.
4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.
5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.
6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking who are saved outside the Church.
8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.
9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.
10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.
With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-
1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.
2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over the centuries referred to only one known baptism, the baptism of water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.
3. The Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation outside the Church.Now unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
6.With the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a hypothetical case only.
7.Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration etc were all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/cardinal-reinhold-marx-of-munich.html
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JUNE 23, 2020
Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reasoning which says there are no known exceptions past or present, to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.It is practical. There obviously are no known cases of the baptism of desire (BOD),baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) in 2017.So there are no practical exceptions to EENS.Neither was BOD,BOB and I.I an exception to Feeneyite EENS in 1949 when the Letter of the Holy Office was issued to the Archbishop of Boston. The cardinals made an objective mistake.Similarly mentioning BOD and I.I in Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) relative to the traditional teaching on salvation was superflous.
Cushingism: It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning.It assumes there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.
SEPTEMBER 10, 2016
If the magisterium avoids the error Vatican Council II , Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and Catechism of the Catholic Church can be interpreted with rational and traditional Feeneyism :it's a return to the old ecclesiology
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/if-magisterium-avoids-error-vatican.html
In the hierarchy of values of Pope John Paul II, we are dealing with first class heresy http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/04/on-hierarchy-of-values-of-pope-john.html
"Thanks for providing this! God bless the Society!", " I agree with much of what Lionel says" http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/thanks-for-providing-this-god-bless.html
The Nicene Creed was changed with the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mistake : it was approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/the-nicene-creed-was-changed-with.html
DECEMBER 15, 2017
Pledge of Fidelity Signatories and I interpret the Nicene Creed differently
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/12/pledge-of-fidelity-signatories-and-i.html
JULY 3, 2017
The bottom line is that we are all reciting the Nicene Creed but there are two different interpretationshttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/07/the-bottom-line-is-that-we-are-all.html
SEPTEMBER 10, 2016
The Vatican Curia interprets the Nicene Creed with irrational Cushingism : 'I believe in three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins.'https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-vatican-curia-interprets-nicene.html
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OCTOBER 18, 2018
We have two interpretations of the Nicene Creed-mine and that of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the SSPX, F.I, FSSP etc.
We have two interpretations of the Nicene Creed. There is my interpretation and that of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the SSPX, F.I, FSSP etc.
The Nicene Creed. says ' I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins'.For me it refers to one known baptism, the baptism of water.
For the others it is ' I believe in three or more known baptisms and they are the baptism of desire, baptism of blood etc, all without the baptism of water'. This is why the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are EXCEPTIONS to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There are exceptions since for them there are known cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church.If there were no personally known cases how could there be exceptions?
In the Nicene Creed we refer to the Holy Spirit.For me the Holy Spirit guides the Catholic Church to teach outside the Church there is no salvation. For others, the Holy Spirit guides the Church to teach that outside the Church there is known salvation.
In the Nicene Creed we refer to the one Holy , Catholic and Apostolic Church which for me says outside the Church there is no salvation. For the traditionalists, the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church teaches that outside the Church there is no salvation except for the cases of the baptism of desire etc.So outside the Church there is salvation. There are known people saved outside the Church. In other words the baptism of desire etc refer to known people saved outside the Church. If they were invisible cases they could not be exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So they were visible cases for Pope Paul VI and Archbishop Lefebvre. So until today for the SSPX, F.I, FSSP and sedevacantists there are visible exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
I interpret the Nicene Creed traditionally.Practically we cannot see a BOD, BOB and I.I. case. Literally there is no baptism of desire for us human beings. 1
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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/10/cushingites-pope-paul-vi-and-archbishop.html
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Pope Francis interprets the Creeds with a false premise, inference and conclusion. This was un precedented over the centuries.Pope Pius XII and Pope John XXIII and the following popes, interpreted extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with a false premise.Pope Paul VI and the following popes interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise.Now Pope Francis interprets the Creeds and Vatican Council Ii with the false premise and so creates a hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition on ecumenism, traditional ecclesiocentic mission, liturgy with the old exclusivist ecclesiology and traditional ecclesiology.It's a different Catholic Church now.The whole Church is following him in the error, conservatives and liberals.Bishop Schneider, Maike Hickson and John Henry Weston continue to interpret LG 8 and UR 3 in Vatican Council II as exceptions to EENS. Bishop Bernard Fellay did this continously. He never corrected himself. He probably will go to the end of his life, with this error, like Fr.Nicholas Gruner and John Vennari.If the popes interpret the Creeds without the false premise, like me, they would be opposed by the Jewish Left.There would be persecution.Now there is support.The two popes do not affirm the Creeds to avoid a persecution of the Church. They have changed the faith-teachings of the Church.So the official Profession of Faith and Oath of Office for Cardinals, Bishops, Rectors, Superiors and Parish Priests are mere words supporting heresy and dissent.-Lionel Andrades______________________________FEBRUARY 8, 2022The recitation of the Profession of Faith today at Holy Mass in all rites and liturgies is political and ideological. The Nicene Creed is interpreted with the False not the Rational Premise and so the conclusion is nontraditional, schismatic and heretical. This is official. There is a choice though.1. I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water which is visible and repeatable.2. I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it includes the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance etc, which are visible and known in particular cases and so are an exception for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors and other Magisterial Documents.Lumen Gentium 8, Unitatis Redintigratio 3 etc in Vatican Council II are also considered exceptions and they exclude the baptism of water.______________1. I believe in the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church which says outside the Church there is no salvation ( 1940 and before)2. I believe in the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church which says outside the Church there is salvation, there is known salvation ( 1949-2022). So there are two interpretations of the Nicene Creed. One is with the Rational Premise and the other is with the False Premise. The conclusion is traditional and non traditional.The Profession of Faith with the False Premise is political.-Lionel AndradesFRIDAY, OCTOBER 1, 2021 -Lionel Andrades JUNE 9, 2020The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has asked Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior, at the St. Benedict Center, USA to interpret 1) EENS 2) BOD, BOB and I.I 3) Vatican Council II and 4)Catechism of the Catholic Church 847-848 1 with a false premise and inference and the whole Catholic Church is silent over this issue.It is normal for the cardinals and the USCCB bishops, to interpret magisterial documents with an irrationality.The Profession of Fede made by Catholics and myself is different.I avoid the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II, for example, while everyone else uses it.Since there are exceptions to EENS for the CDF, the understanding of the Creeds has been changed .
The new interpretation is : Athanasius Creed ( all do not need the Catholic faith for salvation since there are known exceptions), the Nicene Creed ( all do not need one baptism for the forgiveness of sins , there are baptisms which exclude the baptism of water and so they are exceptions to EENS for the CDF), the Apostles Creed ( The Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church now teaches that outside the Church there is known salvation).The Creeds have been changed and the cardinals follow the CDF error.So the general revelation is replaced by a 'new revelation' a 'special revelation'.It says outside the Church there is salvation. So there is division and schism with the popes over the centuries.They did not use the false premise to change doctrine on salvation and the understanding of the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church with faith and baptism,to avoid Hell.-Lionel Andrades1) EENS( extra ecclesiam nulla salus) 2) BOD(baptism of desire), BOB(baptism of blood) and I.I(invincible ignorance). ________________________
JUNE 23, 2020Pope Francis and my interpretation of the Creeds is different.Priests do not say that I am wrong.https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/06/pope-francis-and-my-interpretation-of.html____________________________________________ ___________________________________________ ATHANASIUS CREED'Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly...'___________________________________A (Feeneyite)
B (Cushingite)_____________________________________
OCTOBER 31, 2019There are no arguements to support exceptions to EENS. There cannot be any objective exception, whatever is the argument
JULY 5, 2020
We know that there is a hermeneutic of discontinuity with Vatican Council II and the pope is still trying to defend the Council interpreted with the false premise,inference and conclusion. He is not disclosing the secret for the discontinuity, the precise causefrom Sandro Magister's blog, Il Settimo Cieli https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/we-all-know-that-there-is-hermeneutic.html JULY 8, 2020MISSING LINK DISCOVERED ( Graphics )https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/missing-link-discovered-graphics.htmlOCTOBER 31, 2019EWTN's Tragic Errors of Leonard Feeney by Fr. William Most present arguments which cannot be practical exceptions to EENS, they cannot violate Newton's Laws of Physics AUGUST 10, 2018
Pope Francis interprets the Creeds with a false premise, inference and conclusion. This was un precedented over the centuries.
Pope Pius XII and Pope John XXIII and the following popes, interpreted extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with a false premise.Pope Paul VI and the following popes interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise.
Now Pope Francis interprets the Creeds and Vatican Council Ii with the false premise and so creates a hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition on ecumenism, traditional ecclesiocentic mission, liturgy with the old exclusivist ecclesiology and traditional ecclesiology.It's a different Catholic Church now.The whole Church is following him in the error, conservatives and liberals.
Bishop Schneider, Maike Hickson and John Henry Weston continue to interpret LG 8 and UR 3 in Vatican Council II as exceptions to EENS. Bishop Bernard Fellay did this continously. He never corrected himself. He probably will go to the end of his life, with this error, like Fr.Nicholas Gruner and John Vennari.
If the popes interpret the Creeds without the false premise, like me, they would be opposed by the Jewish Left.There would be persecution.Now there is support.
The two popes do not affirm the Creeds to avoid a persecution of the Church. They have changed the faith-teachings of the Church.
So the official Profession of Faith and Oath of Office for Cardinals, Bishops, Rectors, Superiors and Parish Priests are mere words supporting heresy and dissent.
-Lionel Andrades
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FEBRUARY 8, 2022
The recitation of the Profession of Faith today at Holy Mass in all rites and liturgies is political and ideological. The Nicene Creed is interpreted with the False not the Rational Premise and so the conclusion is nontraditional, schismatic and heretical. This is official. There is a choice though.
1. I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water which is visible and repeatable.2. I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it includes the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance etc, which are visible and known in particular cases and so are an exception for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors and other Magisterial Documents.
Lumen Gentium 8, Unitatis Redintigratio 3 etc in Vatican Council II are also considered exceptions and they exclude the baptism of water.______________
1. I believe in the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church which says outside the Church there is no salvation ( 1940 and before)
2. I believe in the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church which says outside the Church there is salvation, there is known salvation ( 1949-2022).
So there are two interpretations of the Nicene Creed. One is with the Rational Premise and the other is with the False Premise. The conclusion is traditional and non traditional.The Profession of Faith with the False Premise is political.
-Lionel Andrades
FRIDAY, OCTOBER 1, 2021
-Lionel Andrades
JUNE 9, 2020
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has asked Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior, at the St. Benedict Center, USA to interpret 1) EENS 2) BOD, BOB and I.I 3) Vatican Council II and 4)Catechism of the Catholic Church 847-848 1 with a false premise and inference and the whole Catholic Church is silent over this issue.It is normal for the cardinals and the USCCB bishops, to interpret magisterial documents with an irrationality.
The Profession of Fede made by Catholics and myself is different.I avoid the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II, for example, while everyone else uses it.
Since there are exceptions to EENS for the CDF, the understanding of the Creeds has been changed .
The new interpretation is : Athanasius Creed ( all do not need the Catholic faith for salvation since there are known exceptions), the Nicene Creed ( all do not need one baptism for the forgiveness of sins , there are baptisms which exclude the baptism of water and so they are exceptions to EENS for the CDF), the Apostles Creed ( The Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church now teaches that outside the Church there is known salvation).
The Creeds have been changed and the cardinals follow the CDF error.
So the general revelation is replaced by a 'new revelation' a 'special revelation'.It says outside the Church there is salvation. So there is division and schism with the popes over the centuries.They did not use the false premise to change doctrine on salvation and the understanding of the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church with faith and baptism,to avoid Hell.-Lionel Andrades
1) EENS( extra ecclesiam nulla salus) 2) BOD(baptism of desire), BOB(baptism of blood) and I.I(invincible ignorance).
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JUNE 23, 2020
Pope Francis and my interpretation of the Creeds is different.Priests do not say that I am wrong.https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/06/pope-francis-and-my-interpretation-of.html
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ATHANASIUS CREED
'Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly...'
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A (Feeneyite)
B (Cushingite)
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OCTOBER 31, 2019
There are no arguements to support exceptions to EENS. There cannot be any objective exception, whatever is the argument
JULY 5, 2020
We know that there is a hermeneutic of discontinuity with Vatican Council II and the pope is still trying to defend the Council interpreted with the false premise,inference and conclusion. He is not disclosing the secret for the discontinuity, the precise cause
from Sandro Magister's blog, Il Settimo Cieli https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/we-all-know-that-there-is-hermeneutic.html
JULY 8, 2020
MISSING LINK DISCOVERED ( Graphics )https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/07/missing-link-discovered-graphics.html
OCTOBER 31, 2019
EWTN's Tragic Errors of Leonard Feeney by Fr. William Most present arguments which cannot be practical exceptions to EENS, they cannot violate Newton's Laws of Physics
AUGUST 10, 2018
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