Something
new came into the Catholic Church in 1949 with the Letter of the Holy Office (CDF/DDF)
to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney. It presented
invisible cases of the baptism of desire as being visible exceptions for the
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).This mistake was repeated at Vatican
Council II (1965) and so again something new, entered the Church. It was
Vatican Council II, irrational.
There
was a new way of looking at things, a new philosophy. It produced a new
theology which says outside the Church there is known salvation, in particular
cases and so the dogma EENS was contradicted. The past ecclesiology was made
obsolete.
Now some 15 years back something new has come into the Church. It is Vatican Council II, rational. Cushingism and Feeneyism have been identified. We can now, at will, choose the hermeneutic of continuity or rupture with the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors and the rest of Tradition. The Catholic Church returns to pre-1949 times. Morally, now there is only one way to interpret Vatican Council II. It is with Feeneyism and not Cushingism. It is with the rational premise and not the irrational premise. It is not confusing what is invisible (example Lumen Gentium 16) as referring to physically visible cases in 1965-2024.- Lionel Andrades
JULY 17, 2024
If Pope Francis and Cardinal Fernandez announce that LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, refer to hypothetical cases only then it is the liberals who are in schism.But so is the New Theology, New Ecumenism and New Ecclesiology
If Pope Francis and Cardinal Fernandez announce that LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, refer to hypothetical cases only: they refer to invisible people in 2024, then it is the liberals who are in schism. Since then they have to affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Athanasius Creed. They do not do it now. They say Tradition has been made obsolete with Vatican Council II. They mean Vatican Council II irrational only. They also are unable to make the Vatican Council II rational and irrational distinction for them they will be exposed. With Vatican Council II, rational, they will be able to affirm the Athanasius Creed etc and they do not want to do this.
So with their dissent, not being supported by Vatican Council II ( rational ) any more, they are in schism with the Catholic Church over the centuries.
But it also means that the New Theology based upon invisible people being visible, the New Ecumenism (with visible exceptions for an ecumenism of return to the Catholic Church) are also schismatic and heretical.
The liberalism from Vatican Council II, irrational, is schismatic. It is something foreign in the Church.
That ‘something foreign’ , ‘something new’ entered the Church when the CDF/Holy Office, confused invisible cases of the baptism of desire as being visible exceptions for the traditional strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The mistake in public was repeated by Pope Paul VI and Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani in 1965.It was not corrected by Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger..
So when traditionalists say that they are only following Tradition and nothing new, they are wrong.
Something new came into the Church.This was a mistake made by Christopher Ferrara and John Vennari.They were making the same mistake as the liberals. Both groups were interpreting Vatican Council II, irrationally and did not know about Vatican Council II, rational.
Then some 15 years back something new, was further discovered. It was Vatican Council II rational, which is not being followed by the liberals and conservatives.
FRIDAY, JULY 19, 2024
Something new came into the Church in 1949 and then 1965 and then some 15 years back
Something new came into the Catholic Church in 1949 with the Letter of the Holy Office (CDF/DDF) to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney. It presented invisible cases of the baptism of desire as being visible exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).This mistake was repeated at Vatican Council II (1965) and so again something new, entered the Church. It was Vatican Council II, irrational.
There was a new way of looking at things, a new philosophy. It produced a new theology which says outside the Church there is known salvation, in particular cases and so the dogma EENS was contradicted. The past ecclesiology was made obsolete.
Now some 15 years back something new has come into the Church. It is Vatican Council II, rational. Cushingism and Feeneyism have been identified. We can now, at will, choose the hermeneutic of continuity or rupture with the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors and the rest of Tradition. The Catholic Church returns to pre-1949 times. Morally, now there is only one way to interpret Vatican Council II. It is with Feeneyism and not Cushingism. It is with the rational premise and not the irrational premise. It is not confusing what is invisible (example Lumen Gentium 16) as referring to physically visible cases in 1965-2024.
- Lionel Andrades
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 15, 2015
Ecclesiology is not changed with I.I and BOD.It never was.Vatican Council II was always orthodox on salvation.The ecclesiology was exclusivist.
'Being known to us personally' was the something new.With this premise cardinals Marchetti and Cushing could create a new ecclesiology.
Baptism of desire (BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) were mentioned by some popes.What was new, was Marchetti-Cushing linking BOD and I.I to the dogma as an exception.
In the past I.I and BOD were irrelevant to the dogma. Cardinal Cushing, the Archbishop of Boston active at Vatican Council II along with the Jesuits linked it to the dogma and made it relevant.He excommunicated Fr.Leonard Feeney.
In the past, it was always irrelevant to the dogma since hypothetical cases cannot be defacto exceptions in the present times.They made it relevant at Vatican Council II,implying that these cases were personally known to us, so they become exceptions.They became exceptions to the centuries old interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This was the only interpretation of the dogma associated with the Old Mass.
This is the new ecclesiology.We now have the missing link.Avoid the premise and you are back to the old ecclesiology.You can even offer the New Mass along with the old ecclesiology.The real issue is doctrine and not liturgy.
Notice it in Vatican Council II (LG 14,AG 7) but skirt around it and the orthodox passages remain.
For me , I.I and BOD must be followed with the baptism of water.This is the de fide teaching in the dogma. i.e every one needs the baptism of water for salvation.
It is not a dogma that BOD and I.I are the ordinary means of salvation or that they must exclude the baptism of water.
So we can affirm the orthodox passages of Vatican Council II without the Cushing addition and ecclesiology will not have changed.
So ecclesiology is not changed with I.I and BOD.It never was.Vatican Council II was always orthodox on salvation.The ecclesiology was exclusivist.
-Lionel Andrades
SATURDAY, JULY 13, 2024
In 1965 something new came into the Church. It was Vatican Council II irrational. Some 15 years back something new, further, has come into the Church. It is Vatican Council II, rational.
Before 1949 the Catholic Church was traditional. Today it is nontraditional and liberal. In the past it was orthodox .Today it is heretical and schismatic.
In the past the popes interpreted the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms rationally. Today they interpret Magisterial Documents irrationally. It is all there in public for anyone to check it.
In the past the mainstream Church was orthodox today it is heretical and schismatic.
In 1965 something new came into the Church. It was Vatican Council II irrational.
Some 15 years back something new, further, has come into the Church. It is Vatican Council II, rational.
- Lionel Andrades
WEDNESDAY, JULY 10, 2024
Novus Ordo priests who accept Vatican Council II and interpret it rationally and not irrationally, could also be considered schismatic by Pope Francis and Cardinal Fernandez. In the past schism was teaching something new, now schism is not accepting what is new. It is not accepting the liberalism which comes from Vatican Council II interpreted dishonestly.
Novus Ordo priests who accept Vatican Council II and interpret it rationally and not irrationally, could also be considered schismatic by Pope Francis and Cardinal Fernandez. In the past schism was teaching something new, now schism is not accepting what is new. It is not accepting the liberalism which comes from Vatican Council II interpreted dishonestly. So if you do not accept the ‘reforms’ of Vatican Council II then you have not accepted Vatican Council II, irrational. You could belong to a sect but not the Catholic Church.
So the priests who offer the Novus Ordo Mass could be in schism like the SSPX priests if they accepted Vatican Council II interpreted rationally and so in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
For Archbishop Vigano, Pope Francis is in schism since he does not support the past popes and the past Magisterium on the Athanasius Creed etc.Pope Francis does not deny this. He says that Vatican Council II (interpreted irrationally) is a break with Tradition. So he rejects the dogma EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors. For him the baptism of desire, refers to physically visible cases in 1949-2024.
So the schism charge is specific .It is only for those who do not accept Vatican Council II (irrational).Even those who accept Vatican Council II rational could be in schism. Their interpretation of Vatican Council II would not be magisterial for Pope Francis.
So one’s concept of schism- which is now something new in the Church- must not be restricted to those who go for the Latin Mass.
Since even those Catholics who are not in communion with the pope, who support the popes over the centuries would be in schism. For Pope Francis the popes over centuries are made obsolete with Vatican Council II irrational.
If a Catholic accepts the teachings of the popes, over the centuries in specific cases, then he or she is schismatic since they have rejected Vatican Council II, irrational.
- Lionel Andrades
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 14, 2013
Cardinal Koch indicates Blessed Pope Pius XII made a mistake
It is therefore no coincidence that these two extreme tendencies , already on a linguistic level , agree on making a distinction between the pre-conciliar Church and the post-conciliar Church , as if the Church was no longer the same before and after the council .
SATURDAY, JUNE 9, 2018
Lepanto Foundation conference this month in Rome is expected to be another non committal, prudent meeting among friends : the real problem and its solution is too sensitive for them to discuss and proclaim
A Conference organised by the Lepanto Foundation will be held on June 23 in Rome. It recognizes the problem of the New Theology.It does not however know the precise cause of the New Theology and so how to avoid it in the interpretation of Magisterial documents. They do not know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without this Cushingite theology and then the Council would be in harmony with the Syllabus of Errors and the old ecclesiology of the Church.
CONFERENCE SPEAKERS APPROVED BY THE POLITICAL LEFT
SPEAKERS CHOOSE TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT
Then even if they know that they can interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with EENS and the Syllabus of Errors, they would not be politically correct with Left and the Vatican.This is a practical problem for them.
If they wanted,they could eliminate the premise and change the Church, bringing it back on its traditional theological rails.But the politically safe speakers will only be repeating themselves and telling us what we already know.
THEY WILL NOT AFFIRM THE SOCIAL REIGN OF CHRIST THE KING IN HARMONY WITH VATICAN COUNCIL II AND EENS ( FEENEYITE)
The Creed interpreted without Cushingism, so hypothetical cases are not hypothetical and there are not three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins which exclude the baptism of water and the Holy Spirit does not teach the Church to proclaim irrationality and innovation. So without the error, they would saying that there is no change in the ecclesiology of the Church, before and after Vatican Council II for them.
THEY WILL NOT AFFIRM TRADITIONAL MISSION IN PUBLIC
There is traditional Mission knowing that most people die outside the Church and so are oriented to Hell.All non Catholics who have died with no known exceptions are in Hell. Since the ordinary means of salvation is 'faith and baptism'(AG 7) and not BOD, BOB and I.I or LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3,NA 2, GS 22 etc.
THEY WILL NOT SAY THAT THE NEW ECUMENISM , NEW EVANGELISATION ETC IS BASED ON A THEOLOGICAL ERROR
The New Ecclesiology, New Canon Law and New Evangelisation based on Cushingite theology would be meaningless and obsolete.They would have to reject the Balamand Declaration which uses the same false premise.
PRUDENT SPEAKERS
So the conference will be another enjoyable meeting among friends.It was made possible since the organizers received the donations to hold this non-committal and prudent meeting.
The speakers will include Abbé Claude Barthe, Prof. Roberto de Mattei,Prof. Valerio Gigliotti, Dr. Maria Guarini, Fr. Albert Kallio O.P.,Dr. John Lamont, Prof. Enrico Maria Radaelli,Prof. don Alberto Strumia, Prof. Giovanni Turco, Dr. José Antonio Ureta and Dr.Joseph Shaw.The title fo the conference is Old and new Modernism: the roots of the Church’s crisis-Lionel Andrades
MAY 27, 2018
Liberals cannot criticize Cardinal Raymond Burke since he accepts Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite),in harmony with EENS ( Feeneyite),the Syllabus of Errors,an ecumenism and the Social Reign of Christ the King : traditionalists at conf. next month support the New Theologyhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/05/liberals-cannot-accuse-cardinal-raymond.html
THURSDAY, MAY 5, 2022
The baptism of desire and blood and being saved in invincible ignorance can be interpreted according to Feeneyism or Cushingism, one approach is irrational
DECEMBER 3, 2015
The baptism of desire and blood and being saved in invincible ignorance can be interpreted according to Feeneyism or Cushingism, one approach is irrational
Similarly for me BOD and I.I should not have been mentioned in Vatican Council II. In LG 14 and AG 7 these are superfluous passages, Cushing Additions, dead wood. They are not relevant or exceptions to the orthodox passages preceding them.
Also BOD and BOB should not have been placed in the baptism section of the Baltimore Catechism and the Catechism of Pope Pius XII. We can administer the baptism of water but we cannot give any one BOD and BOB. We can repeat and see the baptism of water but this is not the case with BOD and BOB. So in this sense they are not baptisms like the baptism of water.So placing BOD and BOB in the Baptism Section of those catechisms was confusing.
The Council of Trent only mentions 'the desiretherof'. It does not state that these cases are explicit or are exceptions to the dogma EENS.
The bottom line is that the Catholic Church in its magisterial documents ( Vatican Council II, CCC etc) has not changed its old ecclesiology for a Feeneyite.I can attend the Traditional Latin Mass or the Novus Ordo Mass and the ecclesiology is still exclusivist.
For me Pope Pius XII made a mistake. It was Archbishop Richard Cushing who was in heresy and it was Fr. Leonard Feeney who was de fide. It was the Jesuits and the Holy Office 1949 which had made an objective error with their Dead Man Walking theory, their visible-dead theology.
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It is the same Vatican Council II but interpreted with two different theologies
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/it-is-same-vatican-council-ii-but.html
WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2013
Sedevacantists, traditionalists,Departments of Theology suggest Blessed Pope Pius XII made a mistake
It is therefore no coincidence that these two extreme tendencies , already on a linguistic level , agree on making a distinction between the pre-conciliar Church and the post-conciliar Church , as if the Church was no longer the same before and after the council .
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http://www.osservatoreromano.va/portal/dt?JSPTabContainer.setSelected=JSPTabContainer%2FDetail&last=false=&path=/news/cultura/2013/259q13-La-recezione-del-concilio-Vaticano-II-e-l-i.html&title=Dove%20si%20abbracciano%20%20tradizione%20e%20rinnovamento&locale=it
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/11/cardinal-kurt-kochs-straw-house-is.html#links
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