If Pope Francis and Cardinal Fernandez announce that LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, refer to hypothetical cases only then it is the liberals who are in schism.But so is the New Theology, New Ecumenism and New Ecclesiology

 

If Pope Francis and Cardinal Fernandez announce that LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, refer to hypothetical cases only: they refer to invisible people in 2024, then it is the liberals who are in schism. Since then they have to affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Athanasius Creed. They do not do it now. They say Tradition has been made obsolete with Vatican Council II. They mean Vatican Council II irrational only. They also are unable to make the Vatican Council II rational and irrational distinction for them they will be exposed. With Vatican Council II, rational, they will be able to affirm the Athanasius Creed etc and they do not want to do this.

So with their dissent, not being supported by Vatican Council II ( rational )  any more, they are in schism with the Catholic Church over the centuries.

But it also means that the New Theology based upon invisible people being visible, the New Ecumenism (with visible exceptions for an ecumenism of return to the Catholic Church) are also schismatic and heretical.

The liberalism from Vatican Council II, irrational, is schismatic. It is something foreign in the Church.

That ‘something foreign’ , ‘something new’ entered the Church when the CDF/Holy Office, confused invisible cases of the baptism of desire as being visible exceptions for the traditional strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The mistake in public was repeated by Pope Paul VI and Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani in 1965.It was not corrected by Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger..

So when traditionalists say that they are only following Tradition and nothing new, they are wrong.

 Something new came into the Church.This was a mistake made by Christopher Ferrara and John Vennari.They were making the same mistake as the liberals. Both groups were interpreting Vatican Council II, irrationally and did not know about Vatican Council II, rational.

Then some 15 years back something new, was further discovered. It was Vatican Council II rational, which is not being followed by the liberals and conservatives.

Vatican Council II, rational, was not known to Fr. Nicholas Gruner, John Vennari, Christopher Ferrara, Archbishop Lefebvre, Romano Amerio and Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano.

The same mistake is being made today by Michael Matt, Peter Kwasniewski. John Henry Weston, the sedevacantists Bishops Donald Sanborn and Mark Pivarunas…..  - Lionel Andrades