The following is a comment I sent to Rorate Caeli on the post We are not here to criticize but to maintain in response to a comment by New Catholic which criticizes any mention of the baptism of desire etc.
New Catholic
The baptism of desire and invincible ignorane are directly linked to the SSPX-Vatican talks. It is at the centre of the differences on ecumenism and other religions.
Do you interpret Vatican Council II as teaching exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church, which would be close to the SSPX position-or do you assume Vatican Council teaches that there are known cases of persons saved with invincible ignorance etc and so the Church no longer teaches exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church ?
This is at the heart of the issue.
So I am surprised at your reaction.
The liberals say that Vatican Council II has Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance/good conscience) as an exception to the defined dogma. Yet common sense tells us that we can never know anyone saved in invincible ignorance. So how can it be an exception to the dogma?
This is what I keep asking SSPX supporters and they tell me that Archbishop Lefebvre said that a non Catholic can be saved in invincible ignorance. Of course he can ! But this is not the issue here.
We accept the possibility but cannot claim that there is any such case in the present times(2012) so the literal intepretation of the dogma stands.
This means the liberals cannot cite anything from Vatican Council II which can contradict the dogma. So we are back to the dogma and to the SSPX position on ecumenism etc supported by Vatican Council II!
-Lionel Andrades
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