Mr. Andrades: You have asked me to comment on the link. The link was not properly supplied, but I found the posting on your blog.
While we take exception to some of the contents of Redemptoris Missio,Dominus Iesus, and, especially, the Marchetti-Selvaggiani Letter based on the perennial magisterium of the Church, I do not accept your line of argumentation, which accuses the authors of those documents of "assuming the dead now in Heaven are physically visible to us." This is facile reasoning. It would also set up a straw man for our opponents to knock down quite easily.
http://catholicism.org/ad-rem-no-239.html
Lionel:
The St.Benedict Center also takes exceptions to
some parts of Vatican Council II but in general
accepts the Council and also the 'rigorist
interpretation' of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
some parts of Vatican Council II but in general
accepts the Council and also the 'rigorist
interpretation' of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
This is because they assume that there are
explicit cases mentioned in the Council
(LG 16 etc) which contradict the dogma.
explicit cases mentioned in the Council
(LG 16 etc) which contradict the dogma.
The Council is really in harmony with the
rigoroust interpretation of the dogma extra
ecclesiam nulla salus according to the
St.Benedict Centers in the diocese
of Manchester and Worcester,USA.
rigoroust interpretation of the dogma extra
ecclesiam nulla salus according to the
St.Benedict Centers in the diocese
of Manchester and Worcester,USA.
Since LG 16, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to invisible
cases they can be accepted as
possibilities, followed by the baptism
of water. This is the theological approach
of Brother Andre Marie MICM with
respect to the baptism of desire.
cases they can be accepted as
possibilities, followed by the baptism
of water. This is the theological approach
of Brother Andre Marie MICM with
respect to the baptism of desire.
So the Council is really not ambiguous
but traditional It is in harmony with the
Syllabus of Errors and extra ecclesiam
nulla salus.
but traditional It is in harmony with the
Syllabus of Errors and extra ecclesiam
nulla salus.
But the St.Benedict Centers do not know
this.
this.
However if they said that Vatican Council
II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla
salus they would be at odds with the bishops
of Manchester and Worcester. Even the
priests who offer the Traditional Latin
Mass at their chapels assume there are
explicit exceptions to the dogma mentioned
in Vatican Council II.
II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla
salus they would be at odds with the bishops
of Manchester and Worcester. Even the
priests who offer the Traditional Latin
Mass at their chapels assume there are
explicit exceptions to the dogma mentioned
in Vatican Council II.
So this is the conflict in which they will enter.
They would also be at odds with the
ecclesiastics at Ecclesia Dei,Vatican
who interpret Vatican Council Ii with
an irrationality and then base
their theology upon this irrationality.
They would also be at odds with the
ecclesiastics at Ecclesia Dei,Vatican
who interpret Vatican Council Ii with
an irrationality and then base
their theology upon this irrationality.
Tough situation!
-Lionel Andrades
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