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The Catholic Church recognizes that God does not condemn those who are innocently ignorant of the truth about his offer of salvation. What about those millions who lived before Jesus Christ or before the establighment of the Church? And what about those people who living today who have never heard and will never hear the name of Jesus Christ? Narrow minded individuals like Lionel L. Andrades condemns them all to hell.
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You see, according to narrow minded “catholic pretenders” like Lionel L. Andrades, a loving Creator and maker of all things, deliberately created creatures who, by His infinite wisdom, knew they could never possibly be aware of Jesus Christ (these people are invincibly (innocently) ignorant of Christ). However, according to Lionel L. Andrades our loving God created them anyway for the sole purpose of their being condemned to hell for eternity.
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Would a loving God do such a thing? Does that sound patently absurd? Of course it's absurd. That's why absurd individuals proudly proclaim it despite the idea has been condemned by the Magisterium. And, most importantly, that's why the Church doesn't teach it.
.Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation. (CCC 847)
.What "No Salvation Outside the Church" Means
.Outside The Church There Is No Salvation
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You see, according to narrow minded “catholic pretenders” like Lionel L. Andrades, a loving Creator and maker of all things, deliberately created creatures who, by His infinite wisdom, knew they could never possibly be aware of Jesus Christ (these people are invincibly (innocently) ignorant of Christ). However, according to Lionel L. Andrades our loving God created them anyway for the sole purpose of their being condemned to hell for eternity.
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Would a loving God do such a thing? Does that sound patently absurd? Of course it's absurd. That's why absurd individuals proudly proclaim it despite the idea has been condemned by the Magisterium. And, most importantly, that's why the Church doesn't teach it.
.Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation. (CCC 847)
.What "No Salvation Outside the Church" Means
.Outside The Church There Is No Salvation
WITH COMMENTS
The Catholic Church recognizes that God does not condemn those who are innocently ignorant of the truth about his offer of salvation.
Lionel:In other words :-
1.Invisible cases are visible in the present times ( 1960-2016).Those 'who are innocently ignorant of the truth are unknown cases for us.2.Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) and Lumen Gentium 14 ( baptism of desire) refer to a visible case.So Lumen Gentium 14 (innocently ignorant of the truth) refers to a known exceptions to the dogma EENS, for you.
3.Vatican Council II contradicts the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus since Lumen Gentium 16 etc are visible exceptions to the dogma.
4.The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus has exceptions. They are being saved in invincible ignorance, all without the baptism of water.
Have you noticed in the mistake in the interpretation? This is how you too interpret 'those who are innocently ignorant of the truth about his offer of salvation.'
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What about those millions who lived before Jesus Christ or before the establishment of the Church?
Lionel: The good were taken to Heaven after the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.Before the coming of Jesus Christ they had to wait in 'Abraham's bosom'.
_____________________________________________And what about those people who living today who have never heard and will never hear the name of Jesus Christ?
Lionel:
They are on the way to Hell according to Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus quoted above.In the sense every one on earth needs to be a Catholic for salvation.And any way you do not know of any specific case of someone who is an exception.
The Narrow Gate
Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! - (Luke 13:22-30)
Enter through the narrow gate : The Catholic Church is the narrow gate http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/08/the-gospel-reading-tomorrow-says-enter.html
Narrow minded individuals like Lionel L. Andrades condemns them all to hell.
Lionel:
Jesus in the Bible condemns them to Hell ( John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Luke 13:22-30). The Church inspired by the Holy Spirit says they are oriented to Hell if they do not formally convert into the Catholic Church. This is not a personal theory of mine.
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You see, according to narrow minded “catholic pretenders” like Lionel L. Andrades, a loving Creator and maker of all things, deliberately created creatures who, by His infinite wisdom, knew they could never possibly be aware of Jesus Christ (these people are invincibly (innocently) ignorant of Christ).
Lionel:
Salvation is open to all.All in potential can go to Heaven. However to receive this salvation all need to respond by entering the Catholic Church and living the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church. (Dominus Iesus 20 etc).
_______________________________________However, according to Lionel L. Andrades our loving God created them anyway for the sole purpose of their being condemned to hell for eternity.
Lionel:
They can all be saved if they accept Jesus Christ in the Catholic Church and live the teachings of this Church outside of which there is no salvation.There is no known salvation. There are no known cases of persons saved outside the Catholic Church in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. To suggest so would be irrational and an innovation in the Church.
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Would a loving God do such a thing? Does that sound patently absurd? Of course it's absurd.
Lionel:Jesus refers to Hell many times. Hell exists.
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That's why absurd individuals proudly proclaim it despite the idea has been condemned by the Magisterium. And, most importantly, that's why the Church doesn't teach it.
Lionel:
I have supported my Catholic belief with quotations from Vatican Council II and the three Church Councils which defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. I am in sync with the popes and the saints.I have also not used an irrational theology with an irrational conclusion to interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with the dogma EENS ( Feeneyite).So I have not said anything new.
It is the contemporary Magisterium which interprets Vatican Council II( Cushingite) as a rupture with the dogma EENS ( Feeneyite). So for them there is an EENS ( Cushingite).
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Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation. (CCC 847)
Lionel:
Yes they are theoretical cases.Hypothetical persons who do not live in our reality.This is how I interpret this passage.
For you they are known cases, in the present times and so they are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
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.What "No Salvation Outside the Church" Means
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Outside The Church There Is No Salvation
Lionel:
These two 'respectable' Catholic websites make the following error.
2.Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) and Lumen Gentium 14 ( baptism of desire) refer to a visible case.
3.Vatican Council II contradicts the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus since Lumen Gentium 16 etc are visible exceptions to the dogma.
4.The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus has exceptions. They are the baptism of desire and blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, all without the baptism of water.
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So I have tried to show here that my interpretation of Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is according to the Magisterial documents of the Catholic Church. The are interpreted rationally and according to Tradition.They are the same before and after Vatican Council II. Since they do not use an innovative premise and a fantasy theology, they are not heretical interpretations, as the common mainline interpretation, which is accepted by also the traditionalists and sedevacantists.-Lionel Andrades
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