The centre right political parties in Europe could inform the people that they at least (Lega, Forza Nuova etc) interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise, inference and conclusion. They would use the blue passages to interpret Vatican Council II , even though the two popes, have to use the leftist deception with the red passages. -Lionel Andrades
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APRIL 17, 2021
Vatican Council II interpreted with the rational premise is ecclesiocentric . When the Church is once again ecclesiocentric there is no change on ecumenism, religious liberty, collegiality and exclusive salvation
Vatican II & Ecumenism: What did the Council Really Say?
Do Vatican II’s teachings on ecumenism and religous liberty really conflict with Traditional Catholic teaching?
In his first Envoy article on traditionalist apologetics [see “All Tradition Leads to Rome,” Volume 4.6], canon lawyer Pete Vere identified seven common arguments offered by the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) in defense of their schism, and how he overcame these objections during his journey back to the Catholic Church. Some readers responded that this schism, initiated by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1988, isn’t merely about the Latin Mass. The SSPX also takes issue with the Second Vatican Council, particularly on the issue of ecumenism. These readers knew Pete would have wrestled with the Second Vatican Council as an SSPX adherent and wondered how he overcame his doubts towards the Council in his spiritual pilgrimage back to the Catholic Church. Here is his response.
ECUMENISM
Did the Second Vatican Council contradict Church Tradition in its teachings on ecumenism? Many traditionalist Catholics — among them, many members of the Society of St. Pius X — would say yes. If they are correct, then the Catholic Church has a serious problem: Vatican II could not be legitimate, since a legitimate ecumenical council may develop but may not contradict the earlier dogmatic teaching of the Church.
Lionel: When Vatican Council II is interpreted with the rational premise , inference and conclusion there is no change in the Church's teachings on ecumenism. Without the false premise Vatican Council II does not contradict the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). So the Church is still ecclesiocentric.
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VATICAN II AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY
We can now turn our attention briefly to the matter of Vatican II and religious liberty...
Lionel: When we avoid the false premise, inference and conclusion the Catholic Church is once again traditional. It has the same ecclesiology as the 16th century.It does not contradict the past Magisterium on EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors. So in a Catholic Confessional State, which has the same ecclesiocentric ecclesiology of the papal states, religious freedom would no more be a new issue.
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COLLEGIALITY
The Church returns to the 16th century Magisterium with the rational premise. Vatican Council II has a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition ( EENS etc).So collegiality will also have to be traditional. There would be unity on doctrine since Vatican Council II would no more be a source of division in the Church.
NON CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
Similarly the traditional teachings on non Christian religions and salvation would once again be traditional at the doctrinal level since Vatican Council II would be re-interpreted rationally.-Lionel Andrades
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=6056
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APRIL 16, 2021
The teaching of the Catholic Church on religious freedom, ecumenism, the Church, and collegiality does not change with Vatican Council II interpreted with the rational premise, interpretation and conclusion
Dr. Lamont concluded his analysis with this statement, underlining the universal significance of the SSPX’s relations with Rome:The nature of the teaching of the Catholic Church on religious freedom, ecumenism, the Church, and collegiality, is of great importance to all Catholics. The questions raised by the discussions between the Holy See and the SSPX thus concern the whole Church, not merely the parties to the discussion." - SSPX, USA website https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/recognizing-sspx-questioning-vatican-ii-2380
The teaching of the Catholic Church on religious freedom, ecumenism, the Church, and collegiality does not change with Vatican Council II interpreted with the rational premise, interpretation and conclusion. Since the Council then affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and traditional ecclesiocentrism upon which was based religious freedom, ecumenism, the Church and collegiality.
When we return to Tradition collegiality is not an issue.
When we return to Tradition we are back to the old ecumenism.
We return to the old ecclesiology of the Catholic Church since the false premise is no more used.
We can proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King and the non separation of Church and State since the priority is saving souls from going to Hell, since outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.-Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/the-teaching-of-catholic-church-on.html
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APRIL 15, 2021
Pope Francis is not Magisterial on Vatican Council II since he interprets it with it the false premise. Without the false premise the Council would be Magisterial and in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church
APRIL 15, 2021
Pope Francis and Pope Benedict's interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( CCC 846, 1257) are non magisterial since they use a false premise to interpret CCC 846 (Outside the Church No Salvation) and CCC 1257 ( The Necessity of Baptism ).They have a rational and traditional choice which they avoid
APRIL 15, 2021
Pope Francis keeps mentioning Vatican Council II but it's the non magisterial version of the Council
APRIL 14, 2021
Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational option. They are also not magisterial on the Nicene and Apostles Creed since they make the same mistake which can be avoided
APRIL 13, 2021
Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican is not magisterial on Vatican Council II since he interprets the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational and traditional option, in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church.
APRIL 13, 2021
There are articles/reports on Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise on the website of the traditionalists. They are there on the websites of the Most Holy Family Monastery, Catholicism.org,Most Holy Trinity Seminary,Novus Ordo Watch, Rorate Caeili, Remnant News, Correspondenza Romano etc. They need to be corrected
APRIL 13, 2021
The faculty at the Augustine Institute, Graduate School, Colorado interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a rupture with Catholic orthodoxy and then they claim on their website that they teach orthodoxy.
, APRIL 13, 2021
Fr.Matthew Mason, is the Director of Vocations in the diocese of Manchester, USA.He approves candidates who only interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise
APRIL 14, 2021
Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational option
Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion ( red passages below) instead of the rational option( blue passages below).
To be Magisterial they need to interpret Vatican Council II with 'the blue passages'.
The Holy Spirit cannot make an objective mistake and choose 'the red passages'. -Lionel Andrades
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APRIL 13, 2021
The Department of Theology at the Pontifical University St. John Lateran, Rome have been informed that there are two options in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and they are using the irrational one
APRIL 13, 2021
The faculty at the Augustine Institute, Graduate School, Colorado interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a rupture with Catholic orthodoxy and then they claim on their website that they teach orthodoxy
APRIL 13, 2021
There are articles/reports on Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise on the website of the traditionalists. They are there on the websites of the Most Holy Family Monastery, Catholicism.org,Most Holy Trinity Seminary,Novus Ordo Watch, Rorate Caeili, Remnant News, Correspondenza Romano etc. They need to be corrected
APRIL 13, 2021
Repost : Padre Pio Prayer Groups, Neo Catechumenal Way, Charismatic Renewal, all the religious communities, Diocesan priests... the SSPX Archbishop Gerhard Muller and Archbishop Augustine Di Noia
APRIL 13, 2021
Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican is not magisterial on Vatican Council II since he interprets the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational and traditional option, in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-prefect-of_13.html
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