Comments from the blog 1Peter5: Abp. Pozzo on SSPX:
Disputed Vatican II Documents Are Non-Doctrinal
You quote Benedict as follows: "Consequently the
Church must react by employing her most
severe punishment – excommunication – with the
aim of calling those thus punished to repent and
to return to unity. Twenty years after the ordinations
, this goal has sadly not yet been attained. |||...In
order to make this clear once again: until the
DOCTRINAL questions are clarified, the Society
has no canonical status in the Church, and its
ministers – even though they have been freed
of the ecclesiastical penalty – do not legitimately
exercise any ministry in the Church."
Church must react by employing her most
severe punishment – excommunication – with the
aim of calling those thus punished to repent and
to return to unity. Twenty years after the ordinations
, this goal has sadly not yet been attained. |||...In
order to make this clear once again: until the
DOCTRINAL questions are clarified, the Society
has no canonical status in the Church, and its
ministers – even though they have been freed
of the ecclesiastical penalty – do not legitimately
exercise any ministry in the Church."
Lionel:Yes. There is doctrinal
disagreement between
the SSPX and the Vatican.
disagreement between
the SSPX and the Vatican.
1.The SSPX does not accept
Vatican Council II.
Vatican Council II.
2.The SSPX does not accept
ecumenism, inter religious
dialogue and religious
liberty as does the
Vatican.
ecumenism, inter religious
dialogue and religious
liberty as does the
Vatican.
3.The SSPX's position on
extra ecclesiam nulla
salus is ambivalent while
the Vatican rejects the
dogma.
extra ecclesiam nulla
salus is ambivalent while
the Vatican rejects the
dogma.
So these are doctrinal
differencs.
differencs.
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The quotation merely proves my case: Once
again Benedict pins "unity" on doctrinal
questions, not disciplinary ones. But there
are really no doctrinal questions preventing
regularization, as we now know from Pozzo/
Francis.
again Benedict pins "unity" on doctrinal
questions, not disciplinary ones. But there
are really no doctrinal questions preventing
regularization, as we now know from Pozzo/
Francis.
Lionel: They have said
that the SSPX must
accept Vatican Council
II and they mean a Vatican
Council II which is a break
with Tradition.
that the SSPX must
accept Vatican Council
II and they mean a Vatican
Council II which is a break
with Tradition.
_____________________________
Therefore, doctrine not being an issue, the
only thing now necessary for SSPX's
"return to unity" is simply to give their
seminaries, churches and schools
formal canonical approval---a mere
technicality Francis could implement
with a stroke of his pen.
only thing now necessary for SSPX's
"return to unity" is simply to give their
seminaries, churches and schools
formal canonical approval---a mere
technicality Francis could implement
with a stroke of his pen.
Lionel : Doctrine not being
an issue?
an issue?
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Meanwhile, no one has any right to say
that the adherents of the Society are no
t in union with Rome when they are not
excommunicated and can receive the
Sacraments in any Catholic church
whatsoever, like any other Catholic
(including hundreds of millions
of pew-sitters who reject basic
teachings on faith and morals).
that the adherents of the Society are no
t in union with Rome when they are not
excommunicated and can receive the
Sacraments in any Catholic church
whatsoever, like any other Catholic
(including hundreds of millions
of pew-sitters who reject basic
teachings on faith and morals).
Lionel: They are in
union with Rome
which interprets
Vatican Council II
with an innovation
and expects the
SSPX to accept the
non traditional
conclusion? It is
the SSPX and
Ferrara who
have to remove
the confusion.
Archbishop Lefebvre
made a doctrinal
mistake, I have
pointed out many
times.The SSPX
needs to admit
this. Instead they
do not contradict me
and nor do they
admit that SSPX
made a doctrinal error.
union with Rome
which interprets
Vatican Council II
with an innovation
and expects the
SSPX to accept the
non traditional
conclusion? It is
the SSPX and
Ferrara who
have to remove
the confusion.
Archbishop Lefebvre
made a doctrinal
mistake, I have
pointed out many
times.The SSPX
needs to admit
this. Instead they
do not contradict me
and nor do they
admit that SSPX
made a doctrinal error.
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You cannot simply invent, just for the
Society, what you call a "third state"
that is neither schism nor full
membership in the Church in order
to make sense of Benedict's claim
that Catholics who are under no
sentence of excommunication
have not "returned" to unity.
Society, what you call a "third state"
that is neither schism nor full
membership in the Church in order
to make sense of Benedict's claim
that Catholics who are under no
sentence of excommunication
have not "returned" to unity.
Lionel: They are not in
unity since they will not
accept Vatican Council
II ( Cushingite).Vatican
Council II (Cushingite)
is heretical.It is a
rupture with the past.
unity since they will not
accept Vatican Council
II ( Cushingite).Vatican
Council II (Cushingite)
is heretical.It is a
rupture with the past.
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It is absurd, moreover, that the "return
to unity" has been abandoned as to
Protestants whose decadent sects are
highways to Hell but maintained only
as to the Society, which is fully Catholic.
Come on.
to unity" has been abandoned as to
Protestants whose decadent sects are
highways to Hell but maintained only
as to the Society, which is fully Catholic.
Come on.
Lionel: The Society is not
fully Catholic since
it does not accept
magisterial documents
interpreted
rationally.It assumes
hypothetical cases are
explicit in the present
times and then
concludes there are
exceptions to the
dogma extra
ecclesiam nulla
salus, the ecumenism
of return, the
Syllabus of Errors etc.
-Lionel Andrades
fully Catholic since
it does not accept
magisterial documents
interpreted
rationally.It assumes
hypothetical cases are
explicit in the present
times and then
concludes there are
exceptions to the
dogma extra
ecclesiam nulla
salus, the ecumenism
of return, the
Syllabus of Errors etc.
-Lionel Andrades
Pope Benedict's new theology
was a rupture with the
Faith.If we avoid his new
theology in the interpretation
of magisterial documents
there is a continuity with
Tradition. There is then
no doctrinal problem
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/08/pope-benedicts-new-theology-was-rupture.html
http://www.onepeterfive.com/abp-pozzo-on-sspx-disputed-vatican-ii-documents-are-non-doctrinal/
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