Tuesday, July 2, 2024
I am not saying anything new, in the sense, I am not putting forward a new theology or new theory. I am only pointing out that anyone who interprets LG 8, 14, 15,16,UR 3,NA 2, GS 22 etc as being only invisible and hypothetical cases, goes back to the past exclusivist ecclesiology. The Church, so to speak returns to Tradition. This is automatic and immediate.
APRIL 12, 2024
I am not saying anything new, in the sense, I am not putting forward a new theology or new theory. I am only pointing out that anyone who interprets LG 8, 14, 15,16,UR 3,NA 2, GS 22 etc as being only invisible and hypothetical cases, goes back to the past exclusivist ecclesiology. The Church, so to speak returns to Tradition. This is automatic and immediate.
I am affirming the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church according to Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church interpreted rationally i.e. LG 8,14,1,5,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, refer to hypothetical cases only.
So they are not objective exceptions for the ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church; the Church having exclusive salvation. Meanwhile Ad Gentes 7 in Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation. This was the same message of the Church Councils, which defined extra ecclesiam nulla salus ; the Feeneyite version, which did not mention any exceptions.
So for me de facto all non Catholics need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation. I do not separate Jesus from the Catholic Church, His Mystical Body, the Bible tells us.
Hypothetically and with good will I can hope there are exceptions for the dogma EENS, someone saved 'in imperfect communion with the Church' or 'with elements of sanctification and truth' found outside the Church, but I could not know of any exceptions. Neither can you know. So there really are not practical exceptions for the dogma EENS mentioned in Vatican Council II.This is the understanding of everyone, including non Christians.
The 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston made a mistake when it projected invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, as being visible exceptions for Feeneyite EENS. The same mistake was made by Fr. Karl Rahner sj and Fr. Joseph Ratzinger at Vatican Council II and probably ‘the Rhine Group’.
So it is important to note that I am affirming Magisterial Documents ( Creeds, Councils, Catechisms etc) but I am interpreting them rationally i.e. invisible cases are always invisible, Lumen Gentium 16 for example, refers to an invisible person in 1965-2024.
This would be the traditional understanding of the dogma EENS when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally by the Auxiliary Bishops of Rome and the Vicar General. They would be saying the same thing as me. They have an obligation to interpret Magisterial Documents only ethically.
This would be the rational interpretation of Vatican Council II by my Parish Priest who would then have to affirm the dogma EENS. The Missionaries of Charity priests of Mother Teresa would reach the same conclusion when they interpret LG 8, 14, 1,5 16 etc rationally i.e. these are invisible cases in 2024, they are not visible exceptions for the dogma EENS.
So I am not saying anything new, in the sense, I am not putting forward a new theology or new theory. I am only pointing out that anyone who interprets LG 8, 14, 15,16,UR 3,NA 2, GS 22 etc as being only invisible and hypothetical cases, goes back to the past exclusivist ecclesiology. The Church, so to speak returns to Tradition. This is automatic and immediate.
Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez wants the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary in New Hampshire to choose a fake premise.
MAY 4, 2024
When Pope Paul VI interpreted Vatican Council II irrationally thousands of priests and nuns left the new liberal Catholic Church. When Pope Francis will interpret Vatican Council II rationally…?
When Pope Paul VI
interpreted Vatican Council II irrationally thousands of priests and nuns left the new liberal Catholic Church.
When Pope Francis
will interpret Vatican Council II rationally…? - Lionel Andrades
JUNE 15, 2024
President Joe Biden, a Catholic, interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and unethically.There is no denial from the United States State Department and the U.S embassy in Rome. They agree with me.
President Joe Biden, a Catholic, interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and unethically. He chooses a false premise and inference. In this way the conclusion is nontraditional and liberal. We now know that LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc 1 in Vatican Council II can only be hypothetical cases in 2024. So there is no denial from the United States State Department and the U.S embassy in Rome. They agree with me. The President of the United States is unethical in his interpretation of Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Creeds and Councils. He is faking it.
The American president is choosing to confuse LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, and GS 22 etc as being physically visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 1965-2024. Then it is wrongly concluded that Vatican Council II has exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus of three Church Councils which defined it. Exceptioins are also projected for the the ecclesiocentrism of the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return to the Catholic Church).
Also the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and the ADL has to correct their interpretation of Vatican Council II.
President Biden supports a dishonest interpretation of Vatican Council II etc, which can be verified objectively. This is a secular issue.
Cardinals Fernandez, Zuppi and Gambetti agree with me in Rome that there are no physically visible cases of LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, and GS 22 etc, as referred to in Vatican Council II. In practical life we cannot see or meet anyone saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire. So Vatican Council II does not have any practical exception for the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation, as held by the Apostles and the Magisterium in the Middle Ages.
The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) must clarify for the president that LG 8 etc refer to invisible cases in 1949-2024. The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston made an objective mistake. It confused invisible cases of being saved with the baptism of desire as being visible exceptions for traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) ; Feeneyite EENS.
If President Biden would affirm Vatican Council II interpreted rationally i.e LG 8 etc, refer to invisible cases in 2024, he would be affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, with no known exceptions. He would be saying that all need Catholic faith and the baptism of water for salvation ( Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism (124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.-Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II.
- Lionel Andrades
THESE ARE REFERENCES TO INVISIBE CASES IN 2023. THEY ARE NOT VISIBLE EXAMPLES OF SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH. THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED AND THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS OF POPE PIUS IX.
This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him,(13*) although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity.- Lumen Gentium 8, Vatican Council II
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own. - Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator… Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.- Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II.
Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, and visible elements too. All of these, which come from Christ and lead back to Christ, belong by right to the one Church of Christ.
The brethren divided from us also use many liturgical actions of the Christian religion. These most certainly can truly engender a life of grace in ways that vary according to the condition of each Church or Community. These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation. – Unitatis Redintigratio 3 Vatican Council II
The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. – Nostra Aetate 2, Vatican Council II.
All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way. For, since Christ died for all men,(32) and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery.- Gaudium et Specs 22, Vatican Council II
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JUNE 14, 2024
The United States State Department must clarify that LG 8,14,15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to hypothetical cases only. They are not physically visible cases in 1965-2024 for President Biden.
The United States State Department must clarify that LG 8,14,15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to hypothetical cases only. They are not physically visible cases in 1965-2024 for President Biden.
-Lionel Andrades
JUNE 13, 2024
Pope Francis and Joe Biden are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally and dishonestly
JANUARY 26, 2018
When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.
When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.Lionel Andrades
CUSHINGISM
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Lionel Andrades
Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.
Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission)
E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com
Twitter : @LionelAndrades1
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