REPLY TO FR. GEORGES DE LAIRE
Lionel:The short-standing dispute with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) is that Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) can be interpreted with or without a false premise and the conclusion is non traditional or traditional.
The CDF interprets the Vatican Council II and the dogma EENS with a false premise and I avoid that irrationality.
So I hold, what the media calls 'the rigorist interpretation' of the dogma EENS, since LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 , GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are not exceptions to EENS, for me.
Similarly the baptism of desire(BOD), the baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases for me.So they are not practical exceptions to EENS. But for the CDF-ecclesiastics, BOD, BOB and I.I are practical exceptions to EENS. So they imply that BOD, BOB and I.I are non hypothetical and theoretical, and instead objective and known non Catholics for them to be practical exceptions to EENS. This is irrational. It is a false premise followed by a false inference and the conclusion is a rupture with Tradition.
So the ecclesiastics today are at odds, with the past Magisterium over the centuries.They are also at odds with a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms.
This is a major objective error of the CDF and the present two popes.It needs to corrected. -Lionel Andrades
FEBRUARY 9, 2021
Ad Gentes 7( all need faith and baptism for salvation ) agrees with extra ecclesiam nulla salus( outside the Church there is no salvation) which also agrees with the Athanasius Creed ( all need the Catholic faith for salvation )
Ad Gentes 7( all need faith and baptism for salvation ) agrees with extra ecclesiam nulla salus( outside the Church there is no salvation) which also agrees with the Athanasius Creed ( all need the Catholic faith for salvation ). - Lionel Andrades
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FEBRUARY 9, 2021
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (n.1257) says all need the baptism of water for salvation but God is not limited to the Sacraments.Defacto ( practically) all need the baptism of water for salvation and de jure (in principle, hypothetically, speculatively, theoretically) God is not limited to the Sacraments
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (n.1257) says all need the baptism of water for salvation but God is not limited to the Sacraments.Defacto ( practically) all need the baptism of water for salvation and de jure (in principle, hypothetically, speculatively, theoretically) God is not limited to the Sacraments. - Lionel Andrades
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FEBRUARY 9, 2021
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (n.846) states outside the Church there is no salvation (AG 7, CCC 846) and all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church. So if anyone is saved through the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, outside the Church, it would only be known to God, and so it would not be an exception or relevant to the traditional teaching on all needing faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7, EENS etc) and outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation (CCC 846)
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (n.846) states outside the Church there is no salvation (AG 7, CCC 846) and all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church. So if anyone is saved through the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, outside the Church, it would only be known to God, and so it would not be an exception or relevant to the traditional teaching on all needing faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7, EENS etc) and outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation (CCC 846). - Lionel Andrades
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FEBRUARY 9, 2021
The Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions placed upon the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire for affirming the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), with no known exceptions, could also be placed upon the other religious communities in the Diocese of Manchester, men and women, if they did not unethically use a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and create fake exceptions for EENS
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