JULY 3, 2023
Cardinals Grech, Hollerich and Marx and Bishop Georg Batzing and Sister Nathalie Bequart are interpreting Vatican Council II with the red being an exception for the blue. This is irrational. It is nontraditional and dishonest. For me the red is not an exception for the blue : The popes from Paul VI to Francis made a mistake on Vatican Council II .
Cardinals Grech, Hollerich and Marx and Bishop Georg Batzing and Sister Nathalie Bequart are interpreting Vatican Council II with the red being an exception for the blue. This is irrational. It is nontraditional and dishonest. For me the red is not an exception for the blue.
The red passages refer to be hypothetical cases only. They refer to invisible people in 1949-2023. The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are always only speculative and theoretical.
So the passages in red do not contradict the tradition and orthodox passages in blue.
They are not exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus of the Council of Florence (1442).
So the Synods must affirm Vatican Council II. They must accept Vatican Council II interpreted only rationally i.e. the red is not an exception for the blue.
The popes from Paul VI to Francis made a mistake on Vatican Council II .They were interpreting the Council with the red invisible and hypothetical passages being exceptions for the blue orthodox passages which support the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) and/or the orthodox ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. The passages in red are not exceptions for the traditional passages in blue for me. This is being rational.This is common sense. It is not a theology or personal view only.
The popes mistook the red hypothetical passages as contradicting the blue passages, which support the past exclusivist ecclesiology.
So the Council is Feeneyite. It is in line with the dogma EENS according to the Jesuit Leonard Feeney of Boston. It contradicts the Archbishop of Boston, Cardinal Richard Cushing. It is in line with EENS according to the St. Benedict Center, Fr. Leonard Feeney, Sister Catherine Goddard and Brother Francis micm and not that of Pope Pius XII and the subsequent popes before and after Vatican Council II.
The Roman Vicariate and the Vatican Congregations are still interpreting Vatican Council II with the red being an exception for the blue, even after being informed.
An Auxiliary bishop of Rome went to the diocese of Ferrara-Commacchio, Italy and transferred traditionalist priests who did not interpret Vatican Council II with the red being an exception for the blue. The Auxiliary Bishop interpreted the Council irrationally.
The Anglican Ordinariate interprets Vatican Council II irrationally also, with the red being an exception for the blue. So they expelled and excommunicated Fr. Vaughn Treco. –Lionel Andrades
JULY 3, 2023
SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 2023
Fenton, Ott, Hardon, Most, Gruner, Vennari and Feeney did not know : new discovery on Vatican Council II
Rahner, Ratzinger, Congar, Murray, Balthazar and Lefebvre did not know that the orthodox ( blue) passages in Vatican Council II support Feneeyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), or EENS according to the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) which did not mention any exceptions. Also, very important, these blue passages are not contradicted by the hypothetical (red) passages in Vatican Council II. The red passages refer to invisible cases and are not practical exceptions for the dogma EENS and the blue orthodox passages in Vatican Council II.
So now we know that LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases only but they did not know this in 1965.
This was not known to Mons. Joseph Clifford Fenton, Ludwig Ott, Fr. John Hardon and Fr.William Most, all, good apologists. It was not known to Pope Paul VI and Cardinal Ottaviani, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The conservatives in general did not know this. It seems, it was not known to Fr. Leonard Feeney, Brother Francis Maluf micm, Roberto dei Mattei, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, John Vennari and Joseph Natale, the founder of the Most Holy Family Monastery, NY, USA.
They did not know that Vatican Council II had the hermeneutic of continuity with the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church, when LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, are seen as only hypothetical cases. They did not know that LG 8 etc referred to only hypothetical cases in 1965.So LG 8,14,15,16 etc could not be projected as exceptions for the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.
The 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII, made a mistake when it projected invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as being visible and objective exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St. Benedict Center of that time were correct and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and Pius XII were wrong. Archbishop Richard Cushing, the Archbishop of Boston made an objective mistake. It is a fact of life that we cannot physically see or meet someone saved outside the Church with the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance etc.
Louie Verrecchio, Michael Matt, Mary Ann Kreitzer, Brother Andre Marie micm, Michael and Peter Dimond, Fr. John Weinandy, Fr. Gerald Murray, Diane Montagna, Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider and all the Ecclesia Dei communities, have always been interpreting, Vatican Council II, over the years, irrationally and not rationally. - Lionel Andrades
NOVEMBER 2, 2023
The orthodox passages in blue support the past exclusivist ecclesiololgy, while the hypothetical passages in red, refer to physically invisible cases and so they do not contradict Tradition. This was perhaps not known to Fr. Leonard Feeney, Brother Francis Malus micm, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the SSPX bishops and Pope Paul VI.
Since the rational and Magisterial interpretation of the Catholic Church is ‘the red is not an exception to the blue’, the Church is saying, today, as in the past that other religions are not paths to salvation (AG 7 etc). So for the Catholic Church, Jews and Muslims, are oriented to Hell without ‘faith and baptism’ (AG 7) and they need to enter the Church as members (LG 16 etc) before they die.
So Vatican Council II has a hermeneutic of continuity with the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), on EENS, an ecumenism of return of the Syllabus of Errors and the Catechism of Pope Pius X on other religioins not being means of salvation.
The orthodox passages in blue support the past exclusivist ecclesiololgy, while the hypothetical passages in red, refer to physically invisible cases so they do not contradict Tradition. This was perhaps not known to Fr. Leonard Feeney, Brother Francis Malus micm, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the SSPX bishops and Pope Paul VI.
-Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-orthodox-passages-in-blue-support.html
MONDAY, OCTOBER 7, 2019
Before reading Vatican Council II it must be clear for Dr. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon that there are no physically visible cases of non Catholics, in the present times (1965-2019) as referenced in LG 8,LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.
JULY 4, 2019
The Bologna School interprets Vatican Council II with the red being an exception to the blue and Fr. John Zuhlsdorf says he supports this interpretation.He has not written about how Vatican Council II can be interpreted with the red not being an exception to the blue.
JULY 10, 2019
If the SSPX bishops and priests are excommunicated they would simply have to respond like any normal Catholic and say they refuse to interpret Vatican Council II with the red passages being exceptions to the blue passages. The red passages are not exceptions to the blue passages for them and the CDF has made an objective mistake.
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