The priests with the
Missionaries of Charity Contemplative Brothers, Largo Preneste off the Via
Prenestina, Rome, like the priests at the nearby churches at Sant Agapito and
San Leone 1, say LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, refer to invisible cases in
2024.So these priests indicate that Cardinal Manuel Victor Fernandez, Prefect
of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican and Msgr. Kennedy,
Secretary of the DDF, made an objective and factual error on Vatican Council
II, in the Vigano trial. The DDF wrongly interpreted LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA
2, GS 22 etc, as being physically visible examples of salvation outside the
Church and practical exceptions for the Athanasius Creed and the dogma extra
ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The DDF then rejects the past exclusivist
ecclesiology claiming it is obsolete.It becomes obsolete with Vatican Council II interpreted
irrationally,i.e by confusing Lumen Gentium 8,14,15,16 etc, as referring to known
non Catholics saved without ‘faith and baptism’ (AG 7).
Now we know – and these
priests who offer the Novus Ordo Mass confirm it- that Lumen Gentium 8,14,15,16
etc are only hypothetical cases. This is common sense. So LG 8 etc do not
contradict the dogma EENS, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors and the
First Commandment which says for Catholics( who are a continuation of the
Jewish religion) that there is true
worship in the only the Catholic Church.
The church Sant Agapito, off Via Prenestina, Rome
The DDF has an obligation
according to Canon Law, to affirm the Athanasius Creed and the past ecclesiocentrism.Otherwise they are in first class heresy on the Creeds( Ad Tuendum Fidem) and in schism with the Magisterium
over the centuries on de fide teachings. There is a break theologically and doctrinally with the Apostles and the Church Fathers.
Fr.Sebastian Vazhakhala m.c, co-founder with Mother Teresa, of the Missionaries of Charity Contemplative Brothers, off Via Prenestina, Rome.
I have not spoken to, or
e-mailed these priests about the Vigano trial. I have simply pointed out that
LG 8 etc refer to hypothetical cases. I have then observed that LG 8 etc are
not exceptions for Ad Gentes 7, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.
So Vatican Council II has a continuity with the past ecclesiology and is not a
rupture.
Similarly the Catechism of
the Catholic Church is in harmony with all the past Catechisms. There is nothing
in Vatican Council II to contradict the Council of Florence and the Fourth
Lateran Council on EENS.
Vatican Council II is in line with the Bull Unam Sanctum of Pope Boniface VIII, the pope, who founded
the La Sapienza University in Rome.
I could go to any of the
other churches in the Prenestina area and ask the same two questions and their
answers would be the same.
I would ask :
1.” Do LG 8 etc refer to physically invisible cases of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 2024?” I would ask.They would say “YES. They are invisible. ”. I would explain if necessary that these cases can only be known to God in Heaven. We cannot see them. They are not part of our reality on earth. They can be accepted as hypothetical cases, only.I could also ask, " Does LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases of salvation in 1965-2024?". They would answer, "No".
2."Can physically invisible cases
be objective examples of salvation and practical exceptions for the dogma EENS,
the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors (ecumenism of return)? in 2024”.They
will answer “NO”. Invisible people cannot be visible exceptions for the dogma EENS etc.I could also ask, "Do we know of any physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church in 1965-2024 ?" They would answer "No".
Fr.Armando Matteo and Fr. John Kennedy of the DDF
I could ask cardinals and
bishops these two questions and their answer would be the same.However the DDF and the
Vatican Press Office will not comment.Fr. Armando Matteo, is incharge of the Doctrinal Section of the DDF.FIRST HOLY COMMUNION
At First Holy Communion
and Confirmation preparation classes in Rome the children must be taught that
outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation (Ad Gentes 7) and that in
Heaven there are only Catholics ( AG 7, LG 14, CCC 845,846,Catechism of Pope
Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), Bull Unam Sanctum, Fourth Lateran Council, Council of
Florence etc.)
The Father
General of the Missionaries of Charity Contemplative, Men of Mother Teresa, Fr.Ramon, m.c, from the Phillipines, is
aware that LG 8 etc are not practical exceptions for the dogma EENS. This is
also known to Fr. Sebastian Vazhakhala mc, the founder (along with Mother
Teresa) of the M.C community for men in Rome.
The priests could admit
that an injustice has been done to Archbishop Vigano.
Only God can judge if
someone in particular is saved outside the Church. This is not known to us
humans. So it is wrong for the DDF to project LG 8 etc as visible exceptions
for Tradition and then excommunicate the Archbishop for not accepting their
irrational version of the Council.
Since now it is known that
Vatican Council II can be interpreted rationally the DDF must accept the
Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation. Otherwise
the charge of heresy and schism, made by Archbishop Vigano against them, still
stands and is proven correct. - Lionel Andrades
Priests at the Novus Ordo Mass in Rome indicate that Cardinal Fernandez and Msgr. Kennedy made an objective mistake on Vatican Council II in the Vigano trial
I have been speaking to priests along the churches on Via Prenestina, Rome. They all agree that LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, and GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases only. They refer to invisible people in 2024. So the Council has a continuation with Tradition ; with the Athanasius Creed and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (with no exceptions). So for me, they are saying that Cardinal Fernandez and Msgr. Kennedy of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, made an objective error in the trial for schism and the excommunication of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano. They interpreted LG 8,14,15,16 etc as being physically visible cases. So Vatican Council II was a break with Tradition and they then brought liberalism into the Church, which the Archbishop had to accept to be in communion with Pope Francis and to avoid the schism charge.
I have spoken to Fr. Paulo at the church Sant Agapito, Rome and Fr. Francesco and Fr. Martin at the church San Leone 1, also along Via Prenestina. They agree with me. LG 8 etc can only be hypothetical.
Now if Cardinal Fernandez says the same then he affirms the past ecclesiocenrtrism.So he denies the Faith. This is schism.
Presently the Oath against Modernism would have a different version of Msgr.Kennedy since he confuses what is invisible as being visible and them makes liberal conclusions.
Archbishop Vigano has already said that the DDF is in heresy and schism. This has not been denied by the DDF. They have also not responded to my e-mails sent to the Vatican Press Office and that of Communications.
- Lionel Andrades
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