The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF/DDF) before Vatican Council II, interpreted the Athanasius , Nicene and Apostles Creed rationally and so traditionally. This is not being done today by the DDF. So doctrine and faith is different.

 

JULY 9, 2024

The DDF was not eligible to conduct the Vigano trial since unlike the CDF of pre Vatican Council II times, it does not interpret the Creeds rationally and so traditionally. It is in heresy and schism like the mainline Catholic Church

 

DICASTERIUM PRO DOCTRINA FIDEI

Prot. No. 194/2024

H.E. Archbishop Carlo Maria VIGANO titular archbishop of Ulpiana

Extrajudicial criminal process ex can. 1720 CIC coram Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith

Can. 1364 CIC, art. 2 SST

CRIMINAL DECREE

PREMISE

1.     H.E. Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò was born in Varese on January 16, 1941, was ordained priest on March 24, 1968 for the Diocese of Pavia and consecrated bishop by Pope St. John Paul II on April 26, 1992. He has held the following positions: Apostolic Nuncio to Nigeria, Delegate for Papal Representations, Secretary General of the Governorate of Vatican City State, Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America.

2.     The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, taking into account the public statements of H.E. Archbishop Viganò, traceable on the web (statements published in writing and video recordings), from which it appears that he rejects submission to the Supreme Pontiff, communion with the members of the Church subject to him, and the legitimacy and magisterial authority of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, in a letter dated March 25, 2024, sent to the prelate via e-mail ([the mailing address of] Archbishop Viganò is unknown), invited him to the headquarters of the Dicastery “to deepen his positions.” The Prelate was also informed that “such an interview could also take place with the presence of a person he trusts, should he deem it more appropriate.” The Prelate was also asked to indicate his domicile, to which the original of the letter could be forwarded.

3.     H.E. Archbishop Viganò did not give any reply to the Dicastery.

4.     Subsequently, the Congress of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith of May 10, 2024, having regard to the mandate in art. 1 § 2 SST and considering the prior investigation superfluous (can. 1717 § 1 CIC),

decided to initiate an extrajudicial criminal trial against the prelate, celebrated coram the same Dicastery.

5.                By the Decree of June 3, 2024, the trial instructor, assessors and notary public were appointed in accordance with the law….

 

 

11.           Norms on crimes reserved to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

a. art. 1: “§ 1 The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in accordance with art. 52 of the Apostolic Constitution Pastor Bonus, judges, pursuant to art. 2 § 2, crimes against the faith, as well as more serious crimes committed against morals or in the celebration of the sacraments and, if necessary, proceeds to declare or impose canonical sanctions in accordance with the law, whether common or proper, without prejudice to the competence of the Apostolic Penitentiary and without prejudice to the Agendi ratio in doctrinarum examine. § 2. In the crimes referred to in § 1, subject to the mandate of the Roman Pontiff, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has the right to judge the Cardinal Fathers, Patriarchs, Legates of the Apostolic See, Bishops, as well as other individuals referred to in can. 1405 § 3 of the Code of Canon Law (CIC) and can. 1061 of the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches (CCEO).”

b. art. 2: “§ 1. The crimes against the faith, referred to in art. 1, are heresy, apostasy and schism, in accordance with canons 751 and 1364 CIC and canons 1436 and 1437 CCEO. § 2. In the cases mentioned in § 1 it is the duty of the Ordinary or Hierarch, according to law, to conduct the judicial process in the first instance or extrajudicial by decree, without prejudice to the right of appeal or recourse to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. § 3. In the cases referred to in § 1 it is the responsibility of the Ordinary or the Hierarch, in accordance with the law, to remit to the external forum, respectively, the excommunication latae sententiae or the major excommunication;…

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in accordance with art. 52 of the Apostolic Constitution Pastor Bonus, judges, pursuant to art. 2 § 2, crimes against the faith...

The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican was not eligible to conduct the Vigano trial.Since the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF/DDF) before Vatican Council II,  interpreted the Athanasius , Nicene and Apostles Creed rationally and so traditionally. This is not being done today by the DDF. So doctrine and faith is different. There is a New Theology based upon the objective mistake in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office(CDF/DDF). The mistake was repeated in 1965 by the CDF.

The DDF  did not correct the mistake in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office (CDF/DDF) to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney. It confused invisible cases of the baptism of desire as being visible exceptions for the traditional strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), defined by three Church Councils.

Then the CDF, now DDF, did not correct the mistake in 1965 when Pope Paul VI and Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani, pro-prefect of the CDF, confused LG 8,14,15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, as being visible exceptions for the dogma EENS and the past ecclesiocentrism. They would have to be visible, since invisible people cannot be exceptions for EENS.

Fr. Hans Kung sj, Fr. Karl Rahner sj and Fr. Joseph Ratzinger interpreted the baptism of desire (LG 14), for example, irrationally and even today there is no comment from the DDF.

So the DDF is in first class heresy on the Creeds and are in a break with the Magisterium over the centuries. They can no more claim that Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition, since now we know we can interpret the Council rationally and there is only the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

Even today, after so many reports, after the Vigano trial and excommunication,  Cardinal Fernandez and Msgr. John Kennedy do not deny that they have used a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II to create a break with tradition.  as it was held by the CDF over the centuries.

So when the DDF does not affirm traditional Catholic faith and morals and cannot affirm the Catholic faith in public, how can it judge Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano?

Now the DDF wants Archbishop Vigano to accept Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally. This was the irrational interpretation of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the CDF and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj. Prefect of the CDF.

1.The DDF wants Archbishop Vigano to accept Vatican Council II with  new doctrines created by the false premise. He has refused. They excommunicated him.

2.Cardinal Ratzinger wanted Archbishop Lefebvre to accept Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally. He refused. They excommunicated him

3.Fr. Leonard Feeney was expected to affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with visible exceptions of the baptism of desire. He refused. They excommunicated him.

So it is the mainline Catholic Church which remains in heresy and schism which is now being enforced upon Archbishop Vigano. - Lionel Andrades

The blue passages do not determine if Vatican Council II is a break or continuity with Tradition.The red passages are important. They determine if you are a liberal or conservative

 

DECEMBER 23, 2023

The red passages only !

 

When I spoke to the two young priests over this week on Via 20 Settembre, Rome, they understood immediately the importance of the red passages. The red passages! Here is the secret. From here we have a hermeneutic of continuity or a development of doctrine. Doctrine revolves around the red passages only. The blue passages are in harmony with Tradition for the liberals and traditionalists, and so in a sense, are inconsequential. The blue passages do not determine if Vatican Council II is a break or continuity with Tradition.

Pope Benedict could affirm the red and blue passages and say that Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition or he could choose to say that the Council has a hermeneutic of continuity.

He would project physically invisible cases of LG 8, 14, 15, 16 etc – in the red passages- as being physically visible (and not invisible) examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church. So Vatican Council II had to be a rupture with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. LG 8, 14, 15, 16 were objective exceptions for him.

He was following the mistake of Pope Pius XII in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston. It confused invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as being visible exceptions for the dogma EENS.

The two young priests understood, that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance in Vatican Council II were always hypothetical. They always referred to physically invisible cases. They were part of the red passages.

They understood that what was invisible could not be visible at the same time. LG 8, 14, 15.16, UR 3 were subjective and not objective

So for them Vatican Council II had to have a hermeneutic of continuity with the past. They had got the red passages corrects.

So Vatican Council II also had coherence in itself i.e.  the red hypothetical passages which referred to physically invisible cases in the present times, did not contradict the blue orthodox passages in the Council –text. So when we read the orthodox passages alongside the hypothetical one, there should not more be confusion. There is no contradiction.

 Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848

 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: 

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 

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 Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848

 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: 

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door.

ARE THE PASSAGES IN RED IMPLICIT OR EXPLICIT FOR YOU ?  THEY ARE IMPLICIT AND SUBJECTIVE FOR ME.

 Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 

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HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THE PASSAGES IN RED ? DO THEY REFER TO PHYSICALLY INVISIBLE OR VISIBLE CASES IN 2023 ?

Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
 Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II

The hypothetical red passages which refer to physically invisible cases do not contradict the orthodox (blue) passages in Ad Gentes 7, which support the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

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THE RED PASSAGES DETERMINE IF VATICAN COUNCIL II IS A BREAK OR CONTINUITY WITH THE PAST .

Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

The red is not an exception for the blue in Lumen Gentium 14 which is cited in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the title Outside the Church there is no salvation.

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SATURDAY, DECEMBER 23, 2023

The red passages only !

 

When I spoke to the two young priests over this week on Via 20 Settembre, Rome, they understood immediately the importance of the red passages. The red passages! Here is the secret. From here we have a hermeneutic of continuity or a development of doctrine. Doctrine revolves around the red passages only. The blue passages are in harmony with Tradition for the liberals and traditionalists, and so in a sense, are inconsequential. The blue passages do not determine if Vatican Council II is a break or continuity with Tradition.

Pope Benedict could affirm the red and blue passages and say that Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition or he could choose to say that the Council has a hermeneutic of continuity.

He would project physically invisible cases of LG 8, 14, 15, 16 etc – in the red passages- as being physically visible (and not invisible) examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church. So Vatican Council II had to be a rupture with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. LG 8, 14, 15, 16 were objective exceptions for him.

He was following the mistake of Pope Pius XII in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston. It confused invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as being visible exceptions for the dogma EENS.

The two young priests understood, that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance in Vatican Council II were always hypothetical. They always referred to physically invisible cases. They were part of the red passages.

They understood that what was invisible could not be visible at the same time. LG 8, 14, 15.16, UR 3 were subjective and not objective

So for them Vatican Council II had to have a hermeneutic of continuity with the past. They had got the red passages corrects.

So Vatican Council II also had coherence in itself i.e.  the red hypothetical passages which referred to physically invisible cases in the present times, did not contradict the blue orthodox passages in the Council –text. So when we read the orthodox passages alongside the hypothetical one, there should not more be confusion. There is no contradiction.

 Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848

 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: 

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 

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 Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848

 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: 

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door.

ARE THE PASSAGES IN RED IMPLICIT OR EXPLICIT FOR YOU ?  THEY ARE IMPLICIT AND SUBJECTIVE FOR ME.

 Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 

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HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THE PASSAGES IN RED ? DO THEY REFER TO PHYSICALLY INVISIBLE OR VISIBLE CASES IN 2023 ?

Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
 Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II

The hypothetical red passages which refer to physically invisible cases do not contradict the orthodox (blue) passages in Ad Gentes 7, which support the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

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THE RED PASSAGES DETERMINE IF VATICAN COUNCIL II IS A BREAK OR CONTINUITY WITH THE PAST .

Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

The red is not an exception for the blue in Lumen Gentium 14 which is cited in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the title Outside the Church there is no salvation.

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FRIDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2023

The two young priests whom I met this week would see the mistake being made by Pope Francis and the cardinals

 

The two different young foreign priests whom I met this week on Via 20 Settembre understood immediately what I was saying and agreed with me. They saw that the red hypothetical passages which referred to physically invisible cases in 1949-2023, could not be practical exceptions for the orthodox blue passages in Vatican Council II, which support the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the past exclusivist ecclesiology.

So the Council had the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition for them too. It was too obvious.

They did not have to throw out Vatican Council II and neither Tradition. They did not have to choose from the two.They simply had to interpret the ‘red passages’ rationally and honestly and they were secure within Tradition.

The religious superiors of these two priests,  also would have to agree with them. Since the  ‘red passages’ are always only theoretical and speculative. For there to be exceptions for the Council of Florence and the Fourth Lateran Council on EENS, there would have to be real cases, known people, saved outside the Church. But we know that if anyone is saved outside the Catholic Church, it can only be known to God. Even Pope Francis and all the cardinals cannot physically view any exception in Heaven or on earth.So there are no exceptions, is the bottom line.

How can Pope Francis justify homosexual unions in the name of a Vatican Council II, in which the red hypothetical passages are alleged practical exceptions for the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation, which has been defined by three Church Councils ? Invisible cases are visible for him and so there is a New Theology, which says outside the Church there is known salvation.But if there are no exceptions then how can there be a New Ecumenism? A new ecclesiology also depends upon visible exceptions.

How can Cardinal Arthur Roche support Traditionis Custode which was based upon the red passages being exceptions for the blue orthodox passages and the rest of Tradition?

How could Cardinal Walter Kasper support Amoris Letitia when the ecclesiology of the Church does not change when ‘the red is not an exception for the blue’? There is no new ecclesiology in Vatican Council II, for me.

There is no liberalism for the Synod-Cardinals Hollerich etc and also for the dubbia cardinals Burke etc, when they stop interpreting ‘the red as being as exception for the blue’.

This would be clear to the two priests I spoke to this week. I told one of them who offers the Latin Mass and is with the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre made a mistake. He  interpreted Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition. The red was an exception for the blue for him and the SSPX bishops.

For this priest there was a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

GERMAN THEOLOGICAL JOURNALS

We now know that all the theological journals, Catholic and non Catholic, coming out of Germany still interpret Vatican Council II with ‘the red being an exception for the blue’. Of course, this is ignorance. We cannot blame them.  - Lionel Andrades

Yesterday I met another priest on Via 20 Settembre

 

Yesterday I met another priest on the Via Venti Settembre. He was an American with the religious community Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest. He was here with a group of school students. He noticed my announcement on my coat 1 and the students would have seen the message on my back pack 2 

He understood that the hypothetical (red) passages in  Vatican Council II always referred to physically invisible people in the present times.

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Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
 Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II

The hypothetical red passages which refer to physically invisible cases do not contradict the orthodox (blue) passages in Ad Gentes 7, which support the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

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Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

The red is not an exception for the blue in Lumen Gentium 14 which is cited in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the title Outside the Church there is no salvation.

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So they are not exceptions for the orthodox (blue) passages in Vatican Council II, which support the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church. When we concluded our short meeting, he said that Vatican Council II has the hermeneutic of continuity with the past. By the past he would mean Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He mentioned his connection with the religious community of Fr. Leonard Feeney in the USA.

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 Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848

 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: 

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 

The Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II are constant. The red passages do not contradict the blue. 

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He immediately understood the concept of ‘the red not being an exception for the blue’.  So red passages, which mention LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA ,2 GS 22 etc, do not contradict Tradition, the blue orthodox passages in  Vatican Council II- and neither the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus of the Fourth Lateran Council  (1215) etc. - Lionel Andrades

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OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION

John 3:5,Mk.16:16

VATICAN COUNCIL II (AG 7,LG 14)

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ( 845, 846,1257 ETC). This is a DOGMA of the Church ( Fourth Lateran Council 1215, Council of Florence 1442). In Heaven there are only Catholics 

( AG 7, CCC 846 etc)

CONTACT : Lionel Andrades. Blog: eucharistandmission

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IN HEAVEN THERE ARE ONLY CATHOLICS – Vatican Council II, AG 7, LG 14)

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DECEMBER 16, 2023

The L.A interpretation of Vatican Council II was a discovery for a young priest on Thursday afternoon

 

The Lionel Andrades (L.A) interpretation of Vatican Council II was a discovery for a young priest on Thursday afternoon. He was sitting alone on a bench of an ice cream shop at the corner of Via 20 Settembre.He was  waiting for someone. Then he saw the colorful image placed on the front of my coat, as a I walked past him. Here it is. 1

The Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 says outside the Church there is no salvation, I said. In Vatican Council II, Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation. So Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church have the same message as the old Church Councils at Florence (1442) and Fourth Lateran Council (1215). The old Councils issued the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation, I told him. So Vatican Council II has a continuity with the past. It is not a rupture.

He was attentive.

I then brought in 'the obstacles'. Lumen Gentium 16 tells us a person can be saved in invincible ignorance and Unitatitis Reditigratio 3 says even other Christians, in imperfect communion with the Church, must not be excluded from salvation... But Lumen Gentium 16 and Unitatitis Redintigratio 3 are always hypothetical and speculative only.They refer to physically  invisibile people. There are no physically visible cases . If any one was saved as such it could only be known to God.

So throughout Vatican Council II we have the orthodox passages alongside the passages which refer to hypothetical cases.If the orthodox passages are marked in blue and the hypothetical passages marked in red, then the red is not an exception for the blue. So Vatican Council II is orthodox and coherent.

The orthodox (blue) passages have a continuity with the Magisterium over the centuries and the red passages are not an obstacle.

He was moved.

 I could notice it in his voice.

 He was really grateful and said , "Grazie" - with a smile.

 I responded "Prego" and moved on.

He got the same insight which was given to me and it was not at the university.

One day- when I am dead, he will use this information to find new ways of being a pastor but which are really old. 

He will learn that the Councils, Creeds and Catechisms, can be interpreted in two different ways and he can avoid the irrational common one. - Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/12/the-la-interpretation-of-vatican.html

 SEPTEMBER 27, 2020

If a Protestant or evangelical is in Heaven, he is there as a Catholic, a Christian, with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church

 If a Protestant or evangelical is in Heaven, he is there as a Catholic, a Christian, with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. - Lionel Andrades

FEBRUARY 15, 2020

It is the Catholic Church, in magisterial documents interpreted rationally, including Vatican Council II, which says outside the Church there is no salvation. I am simply repeating the pre and post Vatican Council II teaching of the Catholic Church.

When I say that in Heaven there are only Catholics my references are as follows.

1.Vatican Council II ( Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.All. ( Note: LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 , UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer speculative, theoretical and hypothetical cases in the present times 1965-2020).

2.Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 27 Q).(Note: Invincible ignorance is not an exception to 24 Q and 27 Q which supports the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus and says all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation).

3.The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation. The Creed does not mention any exceptions.

4.The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441).The dogma is defined by three Church Councils and does not mention the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance as being practical exceptions to the traditional interpretation of EENS.

There is nothing in Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church to contradict the Catechism of Pope Pius X(24 Q, 27Q), the Athanasius Creed(outside the Church no salvation with no exceptions) and traditional EENS as it was interpreted in the Patristic period or by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church cites Ad Gentes 7 ( CCC 846-Outside the Chruch no salvation) and we know that there can be no practical exceptions for us human beings .We cannot meet or see someone saved outside the Church in 2020. We cannot judge and say that a particular person will be saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).We cannot pretend to know how Jesus will judge and then say  or that the norm in any community is invincible ignorance and not Catholic faith with the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
We know that all the natives in the Americas were oriented to Hell before the missionaries went there since the norm for salvation after the Resurrection of Jesus, was faith and baptism and not invincible ignorance.We know that all non Catholics today are oriented to Hell since they die outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism.There can be no exceptions known to us.

So in Heaven there are only Catholics . This is the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church with there being no practical exceptions in 2020 and none mentioned in Vatican Council II.

 So it is the Catholic Church, in magisterial documents interpreted rationally, including Vatican Council II, which says outside the Church there is no salvatiom. I am simply repeating the pre and post Vatican Council II teaching of the Catholic Church.

-Lionel Andrades

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MARCH 1, 2019

Catechism of the Catholic Church supports Fr. Leonard Feeney on EENS: Magisterial texts including Vatican Council II say there are only Catholics in Heaven

Since the Catechism of the Catholic Church(CCC) supports Fr. Leonard Feeney on extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) we have magisterial documents including Vatican Council II saying there are only Catholics in Heaven and outside the Catholic Church there is no personally known salvation.So we are back to traditional Mission and salvation as it was known to St.Robert Bellarmine, St. Ignatius of Loyola, St. Francis Xavier and  St. Peter Faber.This was how it was with St.Francis of Assisi, St.Bonaventure and St. Athony of Padua.The Carmelites Saints Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross also supported exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

There are only Catholics in Heaven is the teaching of the Catholic Church ( CCC 846, 1257 etc) when we look at being saved in invincible ignorance, 'through no fault of one's own', as referring to only a theoretical case in 2019,for us humans on earth.

It is Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church which tell us that there are only Catholics in Heaven.It is not only the saints.

This would not be acceptable for Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop of Manchester, USA and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, Prefect of the CDF.They look at being saved in invincible ignorance as referring to known non Catholics saved outside the Church ; practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.If they were not know there would not be exceptions to EENS.

With political pressure from the Left who often represents Satan, the cardinal and bishop sustains division in the Catholic Church.

We now have identified their theology which divides and can correct it.To use a false premise to create a non traditional, heretical and irrational conclusion, would not be the work of the Holy Spirit.So in this sense they are not magisterial.We simply avoid the false premise when we interpret magisterial documents.The Church would then still say that there are only Catholics in Heaven.-Lionel Andrades 

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MARCH 14, 2019

In Heaven there are only Catholics is the teaching of the Catholic Church today in its magisterial documents including Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

In Heaven there are only Catholics is the teaching of the Catholic Church today in its magisterial documents including Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

In a previous blog post I had mentioned that  I am not a traditionalist who simply cites the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and rejects Vatican Council II.Instead I affirm exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church based on Vatican Council II which does not contradict the dogma EENS for me. 

Unlike Pope Benedict and Cardinal Malcolm Ranjit I affirm the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. Since LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to only hypothetical cases for me. They can only be speculative possibilities in 2019. They are not personally known people saved outside the Church.

So I affirm the Catechism of the Catholic Church( 846-Outside the Church No Salvation) which cites Ad Gentes 7( all need faith and baptism for salvation) and I know that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) are not exceptions.This is obvious for all. It is common knowledge.

Similarly for me the saints Augustine and Aquinas, affirmed the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS and BOD, BOB and I.I were not exceptions.They were hypothetical and invisible cases for them too.-Lionel Andrades

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SATURDAY, JANUARY 6, 2018

'He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.'

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/for-god-so-loved-world-as-to-give-his.html









For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting. For God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world, but that the world may be saved by him. He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.  And this is the judgment: because the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light: for their works were evil.  For every one that doth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved.-John 3:16-20








http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/the-invisible-factor.html

DECEMBER 29, 2017

Only the Catholic Church - 1 -12

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/only-catholic-church-1-12.html

 DECEMBER 28, 2017

Only The Catholic Church - 1

Go out and meet people. Tell them about the necessity of the Catholic Church for salvation.Only the Catholic Church.There are only Catholics in Heaven.

Only the Catholic Church -2

It is important that Catholics go on Mission to proclaim the Good News of salvation in Jesus Christ through the Catholic Church outside of which there is no salvation and every one needs to be a member in order to go to Heaven and avoid the fires of Hell.

So meet people and tell them they must be Catholics since this is the teaching of Jesus in the Bible.

This was the teachings of the popes and and saints and this is also the teaching of Vatican Council II(AG 7, LG 14) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1257,845,846 etc).

Only the Catholic Church - 3

Tell your friends and relatives to read Vatican Council II in harmony  with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) as it has been known to the missionaries and magisterium of the 16th century.

Do not interpret Vatican Council II like those Catholics now working for Satan.

Vatican Council II really says all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7). All.

Everyone. All need to be members of the Church by living the faith and moral teachings and being baptized with water.

Only the Catholic Church - 4

Go out on Mission from door to door, do Street Evangelisation,proclaim the Faith, follow the Great Commission,Jesus gave you.

Tell people they must repent, ask Jesus for forgiveness and go for Confession if they are Catholics.Tell them to repent and change their life style of sin and get baptized in the Catholic Church if they are not Catholics.Tell them to accept the popes and follow their teachings if they are in harmony with Tradition and the other popes.

Tell them even if a pope is a heretic or a bad example as a heretical pope , outside the Church there is no salvation and Jesus is present in the Eucharist as a person in his true Divinity.Tell them that the Mass is the Supreme Sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross, re-enacted in an un-bloody way.

Tel them to get baptized with water immediately and to follow Jesus by reading the Bible daily. Tell them to attend Mass daily and go for Confession if they have committed mortal sins.

Only the Catholic Church -5

Tell them Our Lady is stronger than Satan and she is bringing millions of people, including many Catholics too, back to Jesus. She is presently speaking to people through locutions or appearing to them in visions or dreams.Since she does not want any of her children going to Hell where there is fire and the presence of demons and other entities, for all eternity.

Only the Catholic Church - 6

Wear an Only the Catholic Church or Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus badge on your coat lapel so that people can identify you and ask you for information about the Catholic Church.Tell them it is important to be a Catholic to go to Heaven and in Heaven there are only Catholics (Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II).Tell them most people go to Hell since they die without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).Tell them Catholics are the new people of God, the new Chosen People(Nostra Aetate 4,Vatican Council II) and all must follow the Jewish Messiah,foretold by the Jewish prophets.The Catholic Church is the continuation of the Jewish religion.

Only the Catholic Church - 7

Tell them that if someone does not know Jesus in the Catholic Church and believes in Him, repents and changes his life style, even if he is not a Catholic he can be saved.But if he continues to live then he must join the Catholic Church and live its traditional teachings.Since in only the Catholic Church is there salvation.

Jesus founded only one Church. Jews, Muslims,Protestants,Orthodox Christians, among others, are on the way to Hell unless they join the Catholic Church.John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Matthew 7:13.

Only the Catholic Church - 8

Please make this message on Only the Catholic Church known to others, since it is in agreement with the authentic Magisterium of the Church, over the centuries, and is in harmony with Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994).

They are in harmony with the past magisterial teachings of the Catholic Church.

Understand this. Learn this and then proclaim it to others as your Catholic Faith.This is not the property or originality of any particular person.There is no ownership or leadership for Only the Catholic Church. Since nothing new is being taught here.

Only the Catholic Church -9

Begin your Only the Catholic Church group or chapter wherever you are and make sure that all Catholics know precisely, the Church's teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church only.

There is no change in the Church's teachings today as compared to the time of the Jesuits of the Middle Ages.Put advertisements in the your local Church and secular newspapers.Invite people  to learn more about the Catholic Faith,not necessarily in harmony with the present pope but always faithful to the magisterial documents (Vatican Council II, Catechism of the Catholic Church etc).

Only the Catholic Church -10

We are a lay Movement which draws its strength from the never-ever changing teachings of the Catholic Church.Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow(Heb.13:8).We do not ask for an Imprimatur or permission from the local bishop. Since he may not want to affirm the Catholic Faith as directly as we do, and put his Office in an hostile political environment.If he supports us we accept this support.We work for the good of Catholics and non-Catholics,  in charity  and social projects done for the love of Jesus, but always proclaiming the necessity of faithfulness to the teachings of the Catholic Church which is the only Church Jesus founded outside of which there is no salvation.

Only the Catholic Church -11

Our Mission is Eucharistic as Catholics.I am reminded of St.Maria Raffaella , and her religious community,Ancelle di Sacro Cuor di Gesu whose church I frequent in Rome. Then there is also the new saint Manuel Gonzalez Garcia,founder of the Eucharistic Missionaries of Nazareth 

The Eucharist is central to this mission.This is how it was also with St.Peter Julian Eymard the saint of the Eucharist.

These saints were aware of Jesus' Presence in the Eucharist and they lived their life. So it was a natural Eucharistic Evangelisation for them.

In the future the Church may not be in the present form we see it but we will still have the Eucharistic Jesus with us in private and underground and mission will continue, we will show our love  for the Eucharist, Jesus present in our midst.

Only the Catholic Church -12

We are not traditionalists who only attend the Traditional Latin Mass, we are present at all Catholic rites and liturgies.Even at Mass in the vernacular,in our own language, we can proclaim outside the Church there is no known salvation and there are no known exceptions in the present times.

So we support the Traditionalists and the lay Movements like the Focolares, Neo-Catechumenale Way,Communion and Liberation and the Catholic Charismatic Renewal.All of us can follow the magisterial teachings of the Church in harmony with the authentic magisterial interpretation of the centuries, which were guided by the Holy Spirit.So the understanding of Church, what makes Church, what is Church, is the same before and after Vatican Council II.Outside the Church there is no salvation.Everyone needs to have his name on the Parish Baptismal Register to go to Heaven, there are only Catholics in Heaven who are there with Catholic faith and the baptism of water. Since this is our priority for saving souls from Hell, we proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and the non separation of Church and State.Our Catholic Movement is Eucharistic.-L.A

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DECEMBER 21, 2017

It does not have to be either the baptism of desire or extra ecclesiam nulla salus : Just one Religious Superior is needed to understand and affirm this and we will have changed the Church http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/it-does-not-have-to-be-either-baptism_92.html

DECEMBER 31, 2017

Visiting Rome, interested in Street Evangelisation ? : Let's walk together, only in the Catholic Church

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/visiting-rome-interested-in-street.html

THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 2019

In Heaven there are only Catholics for Diane Montagna and Fr. John Zuhlsdorf ?

Diane Montagna says Islam and other religions are not paths to salvation (Dominus Iesus) and I agree with her but is she willing to say that in Heaven there are only Catholics and outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation ?

Not likely.

Since she would be confused by Ad Gentes 7 ( invincible ignorance) which she has quoted. 1.

It is the same with Fr. John Zuhlsdorf  cited in her report on LifeSitesNews.

They both look at invincible ignorance in isolation as if it is a known person saved outside the Church.She calls it ' a possibility' but for her it would be someone concrete, real and known this year or over the last years.This is her mistake.

There is no one as such known this year, last year or over the last 100 years.

So why mention invincible ignorance with reference to all needing to enter the Church for salvation(Dominus Iesus).

This is a zero case. It does not exist.There is no such person saved in invincible ignorance whom we can know. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

So all need faith and baptism for salvation (AG 7, LG 14) and in Heaven there are only Catholics.

-Lionel Andrades



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FEBRUARY 6, 2019

Diane Montagna does not qualify if invincible ignorance is an exception to Ad Gentes 7 saying all need faith and baptism for salvation 

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/diane-montagna-does-not-qualify-if.html

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FEBRUARY 5, 2019

Catholic media does not say that Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/catholic-media-does-not-say-that.html

 

FEBRUARY 1, 2019

Pope John Paul rejected a Christian theology of religious pluralism and salvation and now Pope Francis has promoted it at the CDF-FABC conference with Asian Bishops held in Thailand last month.

Pope John Paul rejected a Christian theology of religious pluralism and salvation and now Pope Francis has promoted it at the CDF-FABC conference with Asian Bishops held in Thailand last month.

The CDF Notification on Fr. Jacques Dupuis s, (2001) said 7. According to Catholic doctrine, the followers of other religions are oriented to the Church and are all called to become part of her'.Now the CDF is saying that they do not need to do so.

 

Pope John Paul II in November 1999 visited New Delhi,promulgated"Ecclesia in Asia" and called on non Christians to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.But now the message is that they do not have to accept Jesus in the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

The norm for salvation was faith and baptism ( Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II) but now for the CDF it seems, invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire (CCC 847-848) are exceptions to the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and Ad Gentes 7. This was the message of Archbishop Augustine di Noia, Ad junct Secretary, CDF in correspondence with Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior of the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire, USA.

This is magisterial heresy, official heresy and it is supported by the present two popes and the CDF.They have changed the Catholic faith.

The same was done with morals through Amoris Laetitia and Pope Benedict's New Moral Theology taught at pontifical universities and seminaries.

The Vatican is following the Left and Satan and we have to live with it or not legally be called Catholics.

The present magisterium, as in the case of the St.Benedict Center, legally threatens you if you are not following Satan and the same irrationality and new doctrines and theology are to be spread in Asia.

-Lionel Andrades

 http://www.infoans.org/en/sections/news/item/6772-myanmar-cardinal-bo-sdb-new-president-of-federation-of-asia-episcopal-conferences

http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2019/01/18/0039/00095.html#en

THURSDAY, JANUARY 31, 2019

How can we legally not be Catholic( for the leftist CDF) and still support traditional Catholic mission?

 How can we legally not be Catholic( for the leftist CDF) and still support traditional Catholic mission?

It would be simple.Since the teachings of the Church on faith and morals have not changed.They cannot change.

Even if the present two popes are politically influenced(threathened) by the Left, Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church support the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla  salus(EENS).The red passages are not exceptions to the blue. 1 
So there is no change in magisterial documents.There is no new revelation in Vatican Council II when the red is not  an exception to theblue.

So we still invite people into the Catholic Church and tell them that membership in the Church is necessary; all need Catholic faith and the baptism of water.

But when they are in the Catholic Church they must interpret magisterial documents with thered not being an exception to the blue, even though the two popes do the opposite.

We are still Catholic and we support the hierarchical Church, the institution,  but avoid heresy and sacrilege.Even with the errors, the change in salvation theology and the new moral theology, this still is Jesus' Church.The Eucharist is valid, the Sacraments are valid, the Holy Mass is still the un-bloody Sacrifice of Jesus , re-enacted.

Tomorrow the Church may be forced to accept gay marriages in church and also abortion.We do not accept it , but we still stay in the Church.

Even when there is a schism, we still stay and support the Church, and personally affirm the traditional teachings on faith and morals, always interpreted with the red not being an excepton to the blue.

We know that Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow and so the teachings of the Catholic Church do not change.So even when there is a schism there is no change in our traditional beliefs, supported by Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Sacred Tradition.

So even when we are excommunicated for really being a Catholic, in our heart and actions, we still choose to remanin Catholic.

Since if we are legally not Catholics, for the CDF, then neither were the majority of the past popes and saints.Then neither were the Council Fathers, Catholic at Vatican Council II, when the Council is interpreted with the red not being an exception to the blue.

We know that the popes and saints are part of the Church Triumphant, even if they are not Catholic for the CDF. In Heaven there are only Catholics, who are there with faith and baptism(Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).

Today the CDF has approved mission assuming there is known salvation outside the Church.

Those Catholics who say that there is no known salvation outside the Church, which is something obvious-it is common sense since we cannot see people in Heaven - will be legally told by the CDF, not to call themselves Catholic.

They will be called traditionalists even though many of them affirm Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church which also say that all need faith and baptism for salvation and so there are only Catholics in Heaven.

-Lionel Andrades

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JANUARY 28, 2019

In Magisterial documents the red is not an exception to the blue, thered does not contradict the blue : with the blue there is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition (16th - century extra ecclesium nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, past exclusivist ecclesiology etc) 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/in-magisterial-documents-red-is-not.html

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TUESDAY, JANUARY 29, 2019

Pope Francis' ecumenism and inter-religious dialogue, like that of popes Benedict, John Paul II and Paul VI, is based on 'the red being an exception to the blue'.This is the new theology also used by the CMRI in the Diocese of Manchester

Pope Francis' ecumenism and inter-religious dialogue, like that of popes Benedict, John Paul II and Paul VI, is based on 'the red being an exception to the blue'.This is the new theology.

The St. Benedict Center's ecumenism of return and inter-religious dialogue, to create new members in the Catholic Church, is based on 'thered  is  not being an exception to the blue'.

The issue gets complicated when the sedevacantist Bishop Mark Pivarunas of the Congregatio Mariae  Reginae Immaculatae(CMRI), also in the Diocese of Manchester,USA, supports an ecumenism of return and inter-religious dialogue, with the need for non Catholics to enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell- but for them too, like for Bishop Peter Libasci, , ' the red is an exception to the blue'.

The CMRI are also traditionalists like the St. Benedict Center(SBC).But for the SBC, 'the red is not an exception to the blue'.So they are called Feeneyites.

To be a Feeneyite is to say that 'the red is not an exception to the blue'.

For the Feeneyite the blue passages in magisterial documents support exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and the red passages are not exceptions.

But for  the ecclesiastics at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) and the CMRI and the SSPX it is the opposite.These traditionalists use the New Theology, of the liberals.

So the diocese of Madison,on their website, have cautioned Catholics not to attend Holy Mass at the CMRI  chapel,since (even though they accept that 'the red is an exception to the blue' and they are not aware of it) they do not accept Pope Francis as the pope.

The pope affirms the New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology, New Theology. For him there is no ecumenism of return and the need for non Catholics to enter the Catholic Church, for salvation(to avoid Hell).

Like the CMRI, for Pope Francis, 'the red is an exception to the blue'.However the pope accepts the non traditional conclusion and they reject it and so go into sedevacantism.

-Lionel Andrades

What is the status of “The Religious Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen” and “Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Mission” in Salem?

A group which calls itself “The Religious Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen” (“CMRI”) has established a church in Salem by the name of “Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Mission.” On its website, this group indicates that it offers the Tridentine Rite Mass (sometimes referred to as the “Traditional” or “Latin” Mass), Catechism classes for children, and Confessions and other sacraments.

This group and this church are not Catholic, and do not have the right to call themselves Catholic. CMRI is not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, and the sacraments they claim to offer have no validity in the Roman Catholic Church. Catholics are not permitted to receive the sacraments from CMRI ministers under any circumstances, nor should they participate in any activity provided by this group.

The members of CMRI are what are called “sedevacantists,” meaning that they believe that the current pope is not truly the pope and that the See of St. Peter is vacant. They believe that there has not been a pope in the Catholic Church since the death of Saint John XXIII, and therefore do not recognize any subsequent pope, including Pope Francis, as head of the Church.

For those who have a desire to attend a celebration of the Tridentine Rite Mass within the Church in union with the Holy See, visit our online directory for a listing of our Latin Masses.

If you have any questions about the relationship between CMRI and the Roman Catholic Church, please contact your pastor, or the diocese.

https://www.catholicnh.org/about/stay-informed/frequently-asked-questions/#stbenedict

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• Reinterpret Vatican Council II with these three links (3)
• Reinterpret Vatican Council II yourself (2)
• Reiterate (4)

The CDF and the Diocese of Manchester's legal notice to the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire is based on theology : are passages marked in red exceptons to those in blue ?

The CDF and the Diocese of Manchester's legal notice to the St. Benedict Center(SBC), New Hampshire is based on theology.The ecclesiastics do not accept that passages in blue in all Magisterial documents affirm traditional, exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and thered passages are not exceptions.

For the SBC the red passages are not exceptions to the blue passages.It is here where they differ with the CDF.

Since the SBC will not irrationally say that the red passages are practical exceptions to the text in blue, as does the 'present magisterium', they have received a legal notice from the 'magisterium' saying they are not Catholic.They have to inform the Inland Revenue Service about this and make announcements.

Brother Andre Marie MICM has responded by taking this case to St. Joseph and asking all for prayers.

-Lionel Andrades

JANUARY 29, 2019

All Magisterial documents with the blue passages, affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so support Brother Andre Marie MICM : in Heaven there are only Catholics is magisterial

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/all-magisterial-passages-with-blue.html

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