Saturday, November 4, 2023

Fenton, Ott, Hardon, Most, Gruner, Vennari and Feeney did not know : new discovery on Vatican Council II

 

Rahner, Ratzinger, Congar, Murray, Balthazar and Lefebvre did not know that the orthodox ( blue) passages in Vatican Council II support Feneeyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), or EENS according to the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) which did not mention any exceptions. Also, very important, these blue passages are not contradicted by the hypothetical (red) passages in Vatican Council II. The red passages refer to invisible cases and are not practical exceptions for the dogma EENS and the blue orthodox passages in Vatican Council II.

So now we know that LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases only but they did not know this in 1965.

This was not known to Mons. Joseph Clifford Fenton, Ludwig Ott, Fr. John Hardon and Fr.William Most, all, good apologists. It was not known to Pope Paul VI and Cardinal Ottaviani, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The conservatives in general did not know this. It seems, it was not known to Fr. Leonard Feeney, Brother Francis Maluf micm, Roberto dei Mattei, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, John Vennari and Joseph Natale, the founder of the Most Holy Family Monastery, NY, USA.

They did not know that Vatican Council II had the hermeneutic of continuity with the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church, when LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, are seen as only hypothetical cases. They did not know that LG 8 etc referred to only hypothetical cases in 1965.So LG 8,14,15,16 etc could not be projected as exceptions for the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.

The 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII, made a mistake when it projected invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as being visible and objective exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St. Benedict Center of that time were correct and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and Pius XII were wrong. Archbishop Richard Cushing, the Archbishop of Boston made an objective mistake. It is a fact of life that we cannot physically see or meet someone saved outside the Church with the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance etc.

Louie Verrecchio, Michael Matt, Mary Ann Kreitzer, Brother Andre Marie micm, Michael and Peter Dimond, Fr. John Weinandy, Fr. Gerald Murray, Diane Montagna, Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider and all the Ecclesia Dei communities, have always been interpreting, Vatican Council II, over the years, irrationally and not rationally. - Lionel Andrades


NOVEMBER 2, 2023

The orthodox passages in blue support the past exclusivist ecclesiololgy, while the hypothetical passages in red, refer to physically invisible cases and so they do not contradict Tradition. This was perhaps not known to Fr. Leonard Feeney, Brother Francis Malus micm, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the SSPX bishops and Pope Paul VI.

 



Since the rational and Magisterial interpretation of the Catholic Church is ‘the red is not an exception to the blue’, the Church is saying, today, as in the past that other religions are not paths to salvation (AG 7 etc). So for the Catholic Church, Jews and Muslims, are oriented to Hell without ‘faith and baptism’ (AG 7) and they need to enter the Church as members (LG 16 etc) before they die.


It is the orthodox passages, marked in blue, in Vatican Council II, which are Feeneyite on extra ecclesiam nulla salus while the ‘hypothetical passages’ marked in red, in the Council-text, do not contradict the blue passages, they are not practical and objective exceptions in 1965-2023.

 So Vatican Council II has a hermeneutic of continuity with the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), on EENS, an ecumenism of return of the Syllabus of Errors and the Catechism of Pope Pius X on other religioins not being means of salvation.

The orthodox passages in blue support the past exclusivist ecclesiololgy, while the hypothetical passages in red, refer to physically invisible cases  so they do not contradict Tradition. This was perhaps not known to Fr. Leonard Feeney, Brother Francis Malus micm, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the SSPX bishops and Pope Paul VI.

-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-orthodox-passages-in-blue-support.html

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