It is the Catholic Church, in magisterial documents interpreted rationally, including Vatican Council II, which says outside the Church there is no salvation. I am simply repeating the pre and post Vatican Council II teaching of the Catholic Church.

When I say that in Heaven there are only Catholics my references are as follows.

1.Vatican Council II ( Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.All. ( Note: LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 , UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer speculative, theoretical and hypothetical cases in the present times 1965-2020).

2.Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 27 Q).(Note: Invincible ignorance is not an exception to 24 Q and 27 Q which supports the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus and says all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation).

3.The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation. The Creed does not mention any exceptions.

4.The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441).The dogma is defined by three Church Councils and does not mention the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance as being practical exceptions to the traditional interpretation of EENS.

There is nothing in Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church to contradict the Catechism of Pope Pius X(24 Q, 27Q), the Athanasius Creed(outside the Church no salvation with no exceptions) and traditional EENS as it was interpreted in the Patristic period or by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church cites Ad Gentes 7 ( CCC 846-Outside the Chruch no salvation) and we know that there can be no practical exceptions for us human beings .We cannot meet or see someone saved outside the Church in 2020. We cannot judge and say that a particular person will be saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).We cannot pretend to know how Jesus will judge and then say  or that the norm in any community is invincible ignorance and not Catholic faith with the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
We know that all the natives in the Americas were oriented to Hell before the missionaries went there since the norm for salvation after the Resurrection of Jesus, was faith and baptism and not invincible ignorance.We know that all non Catholics today are oriented to Hell since they die outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism.There can be no exceptions known to us.

So in Heaven there are only Catholics . This is the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church with there being no practical exceptions in 2020 and none mentioned in Vatican Council II.

 So it is the Catholic Church, in magisterial documents interpreted rationally, including Vatican Council II, which says outside the Church there is no salvatiom. I am simply repeating the pre and post Vatican Council II teaching of the Catholic Church.

-Lionel Andrades

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March 1, 2019

Catechism of the Catholic Church supports Fr. Leonard Feeney on EENS: Magisterial texts including Vatican Council II say there are only Catholics in Heaven

Since the Catechism of the Catholic Church(CCC) supports Fr. Leonard Feeney on extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) we have magisterial documents including Vatican Council II saying there are only Catholics in Heaven and outside the Catholic Church there is no personally known salvation.So we are back to traditional Mission and salvation as it was known to St.Robert Bellarmine, St. Ignatius of Loyola, St. Francis Xavier and  St. Peter Faber.This was how it was with St.Francis of Assisi, St.Bonaventure and St. Athony of Padua.The Carmelites Saints Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross also supported exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

There are only Catholics in Heaven is the teaching of the Catholic Church ( CCC 846, 1257 etc) when we look at being saved in invincible ignorance, 'through no fault of one's own', as referring to only a theoretical case in 2019,for us humans on earth.

It is Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church which tell us that there are only Catholics in Heaven.It is not only the saints.

This would not be acceptable for Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop of Manchester, USA and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, Prefect of the CDF.They look at being saved in invincible ignorance as referring to known non Catholics saved outside the Church ; practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.If they were not know there would not be exceptions to EENS.

With political pressure from the Left who often represents Satan, the cardinal and bishop sustains division in the Catholic Church.

We now have identified their theology which divides and can correct it.To use a false premise to create a non traditional, heretical and irrational conclusion, would not be the work of the Holy Spirit.So in this sense they are not magisterial.We simply avoid the false premise when we interpret magisterial documents.The Church would then still say that there are only Catholics in Heaven.-Lionel Andrades 

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March 14, 2019

In Heaven there are only Catholics is the teaching of the Catholic Church today in its magisterial documents including Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

In Heaven there are only Catholics is the teaching of the Catholic Church today in its magisterial documents including Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

In a previous blog post I had mentioned that  I am not a traditionalist who simply cites the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and rejects Vatican Council II.Instead I affirm exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church based on Vatican Council II which does not contradict the dogma EENS for me. 

Unlike Pope Benedict and Cardinal Malcolm Ranjit I affirm the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. Since LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to only hypothetical cases for me. They can only be speculative possibilities in 2019. They are not personally known people saved outside the Church.

So I affirm the Catechism of the Catholic Church( 846-Outside the Church No Salvation) which cites Ad Gentes 7( all need faith and baptism for salvation) and I know that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) are not exceptions.This is obvious for all. It is common knowledge.

Similarly for me the saints Augustine and Aquinas, affirmed the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS and BOD, BOB and I.I were not exceptions.They were hypothetical and invisible cases for them too.-Lionel Andrades