Pope Francis ' Declaration Fiducia Supplicans' is based upon the irrational interpretation of the 'red passages' in Vatican Council II - there is no theological-pastoral precedent in the Catholic Church to support same sex blessings.

 

 DECEMBER 27, 2023

Pope Francis ' Declaration Fiducia Supplicans' is based upon the irrational interpretation of the 'red passages' in Vatican Council II - there is no theological-pastoral precedent in the Catholic Church to support same sex blessings.

 

Pope Francis ' Declaration Fiducia Supplicans is based upon the irrational interpretation of the 'red passages' in Vatican Council II, which opens the Church to unlimited liberalism- otherwise there is no theological-pastoral precedent in the Catholic Church to support same sex blessings.

-Lionel Andrades

Declaration

Fiducia Supplicans

https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2023/12/18/0901/01963.html#en

Fr.Serafino Lanzetta, Roberto dei Mattei and the web blog interpret Vatican COuncil II by confusing the red passages as being a break with the blue passages and the rest of Tradition. They are politically correct wityh Pope Francis.

 Fr.Serafino Lanzetta, Roberto dei Mattei and the web blog interpret Vatican COuncil II by confusing the red passages as being a break with the blue passages and the rest of Tradition. They are politically correct wityh Pope Francis. -Lionel Andrades

"Upon this rock...": But what about the present situation? Fr Serafino Lanzetta has answers

What does it mean to say that the Apostle Peter—and each of his successors—is kepha, the rock on which Christ has built His Church? Could this rock ever be allowed to crumble, without the Church herself crumbling? Can a successor of Peter fail in his office, or even in his faith, without negating the Church’s indefectibility? What are the nature—and limits—of the pope’s infallibility and primacy? Has the role of the supreme pontiff sometimes been exaggerated or distorted? Today questions like these are asked with greater urgency than ever, owing to the pontificate of Pope Francis.

Fr Serafino Lanzetta's new book Super Hanc Petram: The Pope and the Church at a Dramatic Moment in History has just been released by Os Justi Press. The author is a Marian Franciscan based in Portsmouth, UK, a lecturer in Systematic Theology at St Mary’s University Twickenham and at the Theological Faculty of Lugano, and an author of many articles and books. He is becoming increasingly well-known in Anglophone circles. (Not long ago, Os Justi published another work of his: God's Abode with Man: The Mystery of Divine Grace.)

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Claude Barthe and Peter Kwasniewski still interpret Vatican Council II by confusing the red passages

 

Lost in a battle of interpretations: Claude Barthe on a council that did not dogmatize and a liturgy that lacks the form of law

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2023/12/lost-in-battle-of-interpretations.html#more

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So in 1965 thousands of religious, priests and nuns, left their religious profession. They did not know that Pope Paul VI was interpreting the red passages irrationally and so producing an artificial and false break with Tradition.

 

It is the red hypothetical passages which determine if there are exceptions for the  blue orthodox passages in Vatican Council II, or there are no exceptions.The exceptions- make the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and the past exclusivist ecclesiology obsolete. So it is then said that Vatican Council II is a break with the past ecclesiology, it is a break with Tradition, it is a revolution in the Church, it is a new revelation in the Catholic Church.

So in 1965 thousands of religious, priests and nuns, left their religious profession.

They did not know that Pope Paul VI was interpreting the red passages irrationally and so producing an artificial and false break with Tradition.

The lack of exceptions, would produce the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition. But no one told them about this.

No one is talking about this. 

So today we have Amoris Laetitia based upon the false interpretation of the red passages.

We have had Traditionis Custode based upon the irrational way of looking at the red passages.

We have had the Synods and recently the approval of homosexual unions, by interpreting the red passages in Vatican Council II, dishonestly.

But the red passages can be interpreted honestly and then the Catholic Church would still be saying, once again, that outside the Church there is no salvation. This would be the official teaching of the Church. This would be the Magisterium and it would be the main line Church affirming Tradition and not just those who go for the Latin Mass.

-Lionel Andrades

MONDAY, DECEMBER 25, 2023

So Vatican Council II is still officially saying in its text that outside the Church there is no salvation. This is the main line Catholic Church which uses Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

 

For Archbishop Guido Pozza, at Ecclesia Dei, Vatican and also Pope Benedict- Vatican Council II had a hermeneutic of continuity with the past. But also for them, extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) today was no mo re like it was for the missionaries of the 16^th century. Then there was a development of doctrine with Vatican Council II. So Vatican Council II did not have a hermeneutic of continuity with the past, but one of rupture.

 As I have mentioned before, it is all in the red passages. If you interpret the red passages as being physically visible exceptions for the dogma EENS then you have created exceptions. It is EENS with exceptions.

If you interpret the red passages as being physically invisible cases in the present times, then for you they are not exceptions for EENS. So Vatican Council II does not have any exceptions for the past exclusivist ecclesiology, while Ad Gentes 7 supports the dogma EENS and Lumen Gentium 14 is cited in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the title Outside the Church there is no salvation. The Catholic Church is once again saying outside the Church there is no salvation.This is the rational and honest option.

So Vatican Council II is still officially saying in its text that outside the Church there is no salvation. This is the main line Catholic Church which uses Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

So it is the red hypothetical passages which determine if there are exceptions for the blue orthodox passages in Vatican Council II, or there are no exceptions.

The exceptions- make the dogma EENS and the past exclusivist ecclesiology obsolete. The lack of exceptions, produce the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

So LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, all hypothetical cases can be mistake as being non hypothetical and objective and so there emerges a New Theology which says outside the Church there is known salvation.

-Lionel Andrades