For Roberto dei Mattei, Correspondenza Romano, Radici Cristiane, Lepanto Foundation, Coetus, Voice of the Family, Una Voce, Fede e Cultura, Catholic Family News and Rorate Caeili ‘the red is an exception for the blue’. This is irrational, non traditional, heretical and schismatic.For me ‘the red is not an exception for the blue’.We have a new way of reading Magisterial Documents, which really is the old way. - Lionel Andrades
SEPTEMBER 22, 2024
Roberto dei Mattei, Correspondenza Romano, Radici Cristiane, Lepanto Foundation, Coetus, Voice of the Family, Una Voce, Fede e Cultura, Catholic Family News and Rorate Caeili are unable to say in public that they accept the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( EENS) and also Vatican Councils which does not have any exceptions for EENS.
For the SSPX the red is still an exception for the blue. This is irrational. For me the red is not an exception for the blue.
-Lionel Andrades
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
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THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848
"Outside the Church there is no salvation" 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
- Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
- Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
DOMINUS IESUS
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THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there
is no salvation outside the Church.
However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church...
which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth...
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.
Not only did the Savior command that all nations should enter the Church, but He also decreed the Church to be a means of salvation without which no one can enter the kingdom of eternal glory.
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects,necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic
necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing. This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the sacrament of regeneration and in reference to the sacrament of penance (, nn. 797, 807).
However, this desire need not always be explicit,as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.
JULY 3, 2023
We have a new discovery which is unknown to most people in the Catholic Church. The discovery is that ‘the red is not an exception for the blue’
SEPTEMBER 8, 2024
Traditionalists do not have unity on the Catechisms: the SSPX interprets them with Cushingism and the St. Benedict Center with Feeneyism
Traditionalists do not have unity on the Catechisms: the SSPX interprets them with Cushingism and the St. Benedict Center with Feeneyism. For the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the St.Benedict Center ,New Hamsphire, USA , 'the red is not an exception for the blue'.For the Society of St. Pius X, sedevacantists ( bishops Sanborn and Pivarunas and the MHFM) and the liberals( cardinals Kasper, Fernandez etc) and Archbishop Cardlo Maria Vigano, 'the red is an exception for the blue'.
Common sense and Tradition tell us that 'the red is not an exception for the blue'.- Lionel Andrades
23 Q. IN WHAT DOES THE BODY OF THE CHURCH CONSIST?
A. THE BODY OF THE CHURCH CONSISTS IN HER EXTERNAL AND VISIBLE ASPECT, THAT IS, IN THE ASSOCIATION OF HER MEMBERS, IN HER WORSHIP, IN HER TEACHING-POWER AND IN HER EXTERNAL RULE AND GOVERNMENT.
24 Q. TO BE SAVED, IS IT ENOUGH TO BE ANY SORT OF MEMBER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH?
A. NO, TO BE SAVED IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE ANY SORT OF MEMBER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH; IT IS NECESSARY TO BE A LIVING MEMBER.
25 Q. WHO ARE THE LIVING MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH?
A. THE LIVING MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH ARE THE JUST, AND THE JUST ALONE, THAT IS, THOSE WHO ARE ACTUALLY IN THE GRACE OF GOD.
27 Q. CAN ONE BE SAVED OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC, APOSTOLIC AND ROMAN CHURCH?
A. NO, NO ONE CAN BE SAVED OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC, APOSTOLIC ROMAN CHURCH, JUST AS NO ONE COULD BE SAVED FROM THE FLOOD OUTSIDE THE ARK OF NOAH, WHICH WAS A FIGURE OF THE CHURCH.
29 Q. BUT IF A MAN THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS OWN IS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH, CAN HE BE SAVED?
A. IF HE IS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS, THAT IS, IF HE IS IN GOOD FAITH, AND IF HE HAS RECEIVED BAPTISM, OR AT LEAST HAS THE IMPLICIT DESIRE OF BAPTISM; AND IF, MOREOVER, HE SINCERELY SEEKS THE TRUTH AND DOES GOD'S WILL AS BEST HE CAN SUCH A MAN IS INDEED SEPARATED FROM THE BODY OF THE CHURCH, BUT IS UNITED TO THE SOUL OF THE CHURCH AND CONSEQUENTLY IS ON THE WAY OF SALVATION
11 Q. WHO ARE THEY WHO ARE OUTSIDE THE TRUE CHURCH?
A. OUTSIDE THE TRUE CHURCH ARE: INFIDELS, JEWS, HERETICS, APOSTATES, SCHISMATICS, AND THE EXCOMMUNICATED.
12 Q. WHO ARE INFIDELS?
A. INFIDELS ARE THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN BAPTISED AND DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, BECAUSE THEY EITHER BELIEVE IN AND WORSHIP FALSE GODS AS IDOLATERS DO, OR THOUGH ADMITTING ONE TRUE GOD, THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE MESSIAH, NEITHER AS ALREADY COME IN THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST, NOR AS TO COME; FOR INSTANCE, MOHAMMEDANS AND THE LIKE.
13 Q. WHO ARE THE JEWS?
A. THE JEWS ARE THOSE WHO PROFESS THE LAW OF MOSES; HAVE NOT RECEIVED BAPTISM; AND DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST.
14 Q. WHO ARE HERETICS?
A. HERETICS ARE THOSE OF THE BAPTISED WHO OBSTINATELY REFUSE TO BELIEVE SOME TRUTH REVEALED BY GOD AND TAUGHT AS AN ARTICLE OF FAITH BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH; FOR EXAMPLE, THE ARIANS, THE NESTORIANS AND THE VARIOUS SECTS OF PROTESTANTS.
NECESSITY OF BAPTISM AND OBLIGATIONS OF THE BAPTISED
16 Q. IS BAPTISM NECESSARY TO SALVATION?
A. BAPTISM IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO SALVATION, FOR OUR LORD HAS EXPRESSLY SAID: "UNLESS A MAN BE BORN AGAIN OF WATER AND THE HOLY GHOST, HE CANNOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD."
17 Q. CAN THE ABSENCE OF BAPTISM BE SUPPLIED IN ANY OTHER WAY?
A. THE ABSENCE OF BAPTISM CAN BE SUPPLIED BY MARTYRDOM, WHICH IS CALLED BAPTISM OF BLOOD, OR BY AN ACT OF PERFECT LOVE OF GOD, OR OF CONTRITION, ALONG WITH THE DESIRE, AT LEAST IMPLICIT, OF BAPTISM, AND THIS IS CALLED BAPTISM OF DESIRE.
18 Q. TO WHAT IS THE PERSON BAPTISED BOUND?
A. THE PERSON BAPTISED IS BOUND TO ALWAYS PROFESS THE FAITH AND OBSERVE THE LAW OF JESUS CHRIST AND OF HIS CHURCH.
23 Q. IN WHAT DOES THE BODY OF THE CHURCH CONSIST?
A. THE BODY OF THE CHURCH CONSISTS IN HER EXTERNAL AND VISIBLE ASPECT, THAT IS, IN THE ASSOCIATION OF HER MEMBERS, IN HER WORSHIP, IN HER TEACHING-POWER AND IN HER EXTERNAL RULE AND GOVERNMENT.
24 Q. TO BE SAVED, IS IT ENOUGH TO BE ANY SORT OF MEMBER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH?
A. NO, TO BE SAVED IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE ANY SORT OF MEMBER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH; IT IS NECESSARY TO BE A LIVING MEMBER.
25 Q. WHO ARE THE LIVING MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH?
A. THE LIVING MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH ARE THE JUST, AND THE JUST ALONE, THAT IS, THOSE WHO ARE ACTUALLY IN THE GRACE OF GOD.
27 Q. CAN ONE BE SAVED OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC, APOSTOLIC AND ROMAN CHURCH?
A. NO, NO ONE CAN BE SAVED OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC, APOSTOLIC ROMAN CHURCH, JUST AS NO ONE COULD BE SAVED FROM THE FLOOD OUTSIDE THE ARK OF NOAH, WHICH WAS A FIGURE OF THE CHURCH.
29 Q. BUT IF A MAN THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS OWN IS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH, CAN HE BE SAVED?
A. IF HE IS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS, THAT IS, IF HE IS IN GOOD FAITH, AND IF HE HAS RECEIVED BAPTISM, OR AT LEAST HAS THE IMPLICIT DESIRE OF BAPTISM; AND IF, MOREOVER, HE SINCERELY SEEKS THE TRUTH AND DOES GOD'S WILL AS BEST HE CAN SUCH A MAN IS INDEED SEPARATED FROM THE BODY OF THE CHURCH, BUT IS UNITED TO THE SOUL OF THE CHURCH AND CONSEQUENTLY IS ON THE WAY OF SALVATION
11 Q. WHO ARE THEY WHO ARE OUTSIDE THE TRUE CHURCH?
A. OUTSIDE THE TRUE CHURCH ARE: INFIDELS, JEWS, HERETICS, APOSTATES, SCHISMATICS, AND THE EXCOMMUNICATED.
12 Q. WHO ARE INFIDELS?
A. INFIDELS ARE THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN BAPTISED AND DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, BECAUSE THEY EITHER BELIEVE IN AND WORSHIP FALSE GODS AS IDOLATERS DO, OR THOUGH ADMITTING ONE TRUE GOD, THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE MESSIAH, NEITHER AS ALREADY COME IN THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST, NOR AS TO COME; FOR INSTANCE, MOHAMMEDANS AND THE LIKE.
13 Q. WHO ARE THE JEWS?
A. THE JEWS ARE THOSE WHO PROFESS THE LAW OF MOSES; HAVE NOT RECEIVED BAPTISM; AND DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST.
14 Q. WHO ARE HERETICS?
A. HERETICS ARE THOSE OF THE BAPTISED WHO OBSTINATELY REFUSE TO BELIEVE SOME TRUTH REVEALED BY GOD AND TAUGHT AS AN ARTICLE OF FAITH BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH; FOR EXAMPLE, THE ARIANS, THE NESTORIANS AND THE VARIOUS SECTS OF PROTESTANTS.
NECESSITY OF BAPTISM AND OBLIGATIONS OF THE BAPTISED
16 Q. IS BAPTISM NECESSARY TO SALVATION?
A. BAPTISM IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO SALVATION, FOR OUR LORD HAS EXPRESSLY SAID: "UNLESS A MAN BE BORN AGAIN OF WATER AND THE HOLY GHOST, HE CANNOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD."
17 Q. CAN THE ABSENCE OF BAPTISM BE SUPPLIED IN ANY OTHER WAY?
A. THE ABSENCE OF BAPTISM CAN BE SUPPLIED BY MARTYRDOM, WHICH IS CALLED BAPTISM OF BLOOD, OR BY AN ACT OF PERFECT LOVE OF GOD, OR OF CONTRITION, ALONG WITH THE DESIRE, AT LEAST IMPLICIT, OF BAPTISM, AND THIS IS CALLED BAPTISM OF DESIRE.
18 Q. TO WHAT IS THE PERSON BAPTISED BOUND?
A. THE PERSON BAPTISED IS BOUND TO ALWAYS PROFESS THE FAITH AND OBSERVE THE LAW OF JESUS CHRIST AND OF HIS CHURCH.
SEPTEMBER 6, 2024
Matt Gaspers, editor or Catholic Family News and Roberto dei Mattei director of Correspondenza Romano do not deny that they have been interpreting the Catechism of Pope Pius X irrationally
Matt Gaspers, editor or Catholic Family News and Roberto dei Mattei director of Correspondenza Romano do not deny that they have been interpreting the Catechism of Pope Pius X irrationally, with 'the red being an exception to the blue.' They also do not want to interpret this Catechism rationally, i.e. 'the red is not an exception for the blue' since then they would be affirming Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed with no exceptions and the Syllabus of Errors ( ecumenism of return with no exceptions). This would be politically incorrect and a threat financially - Lionel Andrades
SEPTEMBER 4, 2024
Matt Gaspers editor Catholic Family News and traditionalists interpret the Catechism of Pope Pius X irrationally. They interpret this traditional catechism with 'the red being an exception for the blue'. I avoid this error.
Matt Gaspers editor Catholic Family News and traditionalists interpret the Catechism of Pope Pius X irrationally. They interpret this traditional catechism with 'the red being an exception for the blue'. I avoid this error.
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This book on Vatican Council II written by Roberto dei Mattei was written with 'the red being an exception for the blue'. It is obsolete.
This book by Christopher A. Ferrara and many of his other books were also written with the irrational premise i.e 'the red is an exception for the blue'. Morally, he must admit that 'the red is not an exception for the blue'.
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre's books are now obsolete. We know we can interpret Vatican Council II with 'the red not being an exception for the blue'.
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