Obsolete-
was the interpretation of Vatican Council II during the trial for schism of
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano. We can now interpret all Magisterial Documents
rationally, with ‘the red not being an exception for the blue’. Catholics, and
Archbishop Vigano, are not obliged to interpret the Council deceptively, to
produce liberalism. This is a legal issue.
This is a concrete case of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DCF), Vatican, interpreting subjective and unknown cases of Lumen Gentium 8,14,15,16,Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Nostra Aetate 2, Gaudium et Specs 22 etc, as being objective and known examples of salvation outside the Church and so alleged objective exceptions for the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church. The error can be verified in public. This is not just a personal opinion.
A
secular judge would have to understand and interpret LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA
2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, as being only hypothetical cases. They
refer to invisible people in 2024.This is common sense. It is common knowledge
that we cannot meet or see someone on earth or Heaven, saved without the
baptism of water and instead with the baptism of desire (LG 14) etc.
Archbishop
Vigano and any Catholic can object in good conscience when Pope Francis and
Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez expect them to interpret visible cases of LG 8,
14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, as being physically visible people saved
outside the Catholic Church and so exceptions for Tradition (Syllabus of
Errors, Athanasius Creed etc).
Also
for ‘religious motives’ and ‘conscience’ a Catholic can legally challenge the
Vatican’s interpretation of Vatican Council II. It was a factor in the
excommunication of the former Nuncio to the USA.
The
freedom of conscience, liberty and religion would permit the Italian
archbishop, and any Catholic, to demand that the DCF interpret LG 8, 14, 15, 16,
UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, ethically.
Conscience is the sense of good and bad according to the norms of the Catholic Church, the only Church Jesus founded and which has given us the Bible, the concept of the Triune One God and Christian form of worship, used by Christian denominations.
In
good conscience the archbishop had the right to disobey Pope Francis and the
DCF, in their interpretation of Vatican Council II.
There
has to be a common objection and disobedience to the DCF’s interpretation of
Vatican Council II and subsequent excommunications.
St.
Thomas Aquinas called for disobedience against an injustice law and decree (Summa
Theologiae, 1265-1273).
The
DCF also violates the Principle of Non Contradiction, of Aristotle. How can
someone saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) be seen in Heaven and earth at
the same time? Where is the case of someone on earth, saved outside the Church
in 2024, for him to be an objective exception for the dogma extra ecclesiam
nulla salus (EENS) ?
Dogmas and doctrines in the Catholic Church do not evolve or change, except, when Magisterial Documents are interpreted irrationally, intentionally. Common law may change in the civil courts. But when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally i.e. invisible people are visible, LG 16 refers to hypothetical and not objective cases and so there is no change in Catholic theology or doctrines.
There
is a conservative cardinal in a Vatican jail presently but even Cardinal
Fernandez’s interpretation of Vatican Council II dishonestly and then accusing
Archbishop Vigano of schism could be considered a ‘reato’.
When
the DCF interprets Vatican Council II confusing what is invisible as being
visible, the conclusion is a rupture with the pre-1949 Congregation for the
Doctrine of the Faith on doctrine, faith and theology. So the DCF in its
statement on the Vigano-trial was wrong to say that it represent the centuries
old DCF (CDF).
Members
of the DCF do not affirm the dogma EENS with no exceptions. Cardinal Fernandez
does not do so. He considers LG 16 etc as exceptions for Feeneyite EENS.
Over
the centuries the Church affirmed the Athanasius Creed but Pope Francis and
Cardinal Fernandez do not do so. There are ‘objective exceptions’ in Vatican
Council II for them.
According to Catholic Canon Law, a juridical person is expected to affirm all the teachings of the Church. The Creeds are de fide and obligatory. Changing or rejecting them is considered first class heresy (Ad Tuendum Fidem, Pope John Paul II).
The
DCF and the bishop Trevignon, Italy are expected to say that Jesus is the only Savior
of the world and the Catholic Church is the only true, Church. But they do not
say this because of Vatican Council II having ‘exceptions’ for Tradition.
Instead they have excommunicated Gisella Cardia, the seer at Trevignon who hold
this traditional faith. The Italian Head of State has prohibited here from
using a state of Our Lady and a cross and pray the rosary at their meeting
place in Trevignon. The Vatican has not come to her support.
We
now have a concrete case of the Vatican State doing injustice to its members,
perhaps for political left reasons. A philosophical error (what is invisible is
visible), an empirical error (invisible people in Heaven are visible on earth)
is made in public. There is a break between the internal and external forum.
The philosophical error has produced a New Theology, it says outside the
Catholic Church there is salvation, there is known salvation. So the dogma
EENS, defined by three Church Councils, is obsolete. This is institutional
dishonesty.
This
is a hierarchical break with the pre-1949 hierarchy of the Church and it is
done by simply interpreting the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms irrationally,
confusing what is unknown as being known, subjective as being objective, invisible
as being visible and implicit as being explicit.
Norms,
principles and laws have been violated in the Vigano case. The archbishop is
not obligated to interpret Vatican Council II dishonestly like the DCF, he is
also not obligated to accept a pope who does the same.
The
institution cannot claim ‘good faith’ when they have been repeatedly informed
about the error through social media.
A
good cardinal is in a Vatican prison today and has been sentenced by a Vatican
court whose judges interpret Vatican Council II irrationally in support of
liberalism.
It
is a fact that invisible people are invisible. It is a fact that Lumen Gentium
16 refers to an invisible person in 1965-2024. - Lionel
Andrades
. - Lionel Andrades
SEPTEMBER 22, 2024
Roberto dei Mattei, Correspondenza Romano, Radici Cristiane, Lepanto Foundation, Coetus, Voice of the Family, Una Voce, Fede e Cultura, Catholic Family News and Rorate Caeili are unable to say in public that they accept the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( EENS) and also Vatican Councils which does not have any exceptions for EENS.
For the SSPX the red is still an exception for the blue. This is irrational. For me the red is not an exception for the blue.
-Lionel Andrades
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848
"Outside the Church there is no salvation" 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
- Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
- Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
DOMINUS IESUS
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THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there
is no salvation outside the Church.
However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church...
which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth...
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.
Not only did the Savior command that all nations should enter the Church, but He also decreed the Church to be a means of salvation without which no one can enter the kingdom of eternal glory.
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects,necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic
necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing. This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the sacrament of regeneration and in reference to the sacrament of penance (, nn. 797, 807).
However, this desire need not always be explicit,as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.
JULY 3, 2023
We have a new discovery which is unknown to most people in the Catholic Church. The discovery is that ‘the red is not an exception for the blue’
SEPTEMBER 8, 2024
Traditionalists do not have unity on the Catechisms: the SSPX interprets them with Cushingism and the St. Benedict Center with Feeneyism
Traditionalists do not have unity on the Catechisms: the SSPX interprets them with Cushingism and the St. Benedict Center with Feeneyism. For the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the St.Benedict Center ,New Hamsphire, USA , 'the red is not an exception for the blue'.For the Society of St. Pius X, sedevacantists ( bishops Sanborn and Pivarunas and the MHFM) and the liberals( cardinals Kasper, Fernandez etc) and Archbishop Cardlo Maria Vigano, 'the red is an exception for the blue'.
Common sense and Tradition tell us that 'the red is not an exception for the blue'.- Lionel Andrades
23 Q. IN WHAT DOES THE BODY OF THE CHURCH CONSIST?
A. THE BODY OF THE CHURCH CONSISTS IN HER EXTERNAL AND VISIBLE ASPECT, THAT IS, IN THE ASSOCIATION OF HER MEMBERS, IN HER WORSHIP, IN HER TEACHING-POWER AND IN HER EXTERNAL RULE AND GOVERNMENT.
24 Q. TO BE SAVED, IS IT ENOUGH TO BE ANY SORT OF MEMBER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH?
A. NO, TO BE SAVED IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE ANY SORT OF MEMBER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH; IT IS NECESSARY TO BE A LIVING MEMBER.
25 Q. WHO ARE THE LIVING MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH?
A. THE LIVING MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH ARE THE JUST, AND THE JUST ALONE, THAT IS, THOSE WHO ARE ACTUALLY IN THE GRACE OF GOD.
27 Q. CAN ONE BE SAVED OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC, APOSTOLIC AND ROMAN CHURCH?
A. NO, NO ONE CAN BE SAVED OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC, APOSTOLIC ROMAN CHURCH, JUST AS NO ONE COULD BE SAVED FROM THE FLOOD OUTSIDE THE ARK OF NOAH, WHICH WAS A FIGURE OF THE CHURCH.
29 Q. BUT IF A MAN THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS OWN IS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH, CAN HE BE SAVED?
A. IF HE IS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS, THAT IS, IF HE IS IN GOOD FAITH, AND IF HE HAS RECEIVED BAPTISM, OR AT LEAST HAS THE IMPLICIT DESIRE OF BAPTISM; AND IF, MOREOVER, HE SINCERELY SEEKS THE TRUTH AND DOES GOD'S WILL AS BEST HE CAN SUCH A MAN IS INDEED SEPARATED FROM THE BODY OF THE CHURCH, BUT IS UNITED TO THE SOUL OF THE CHURCH AND CONSEQUENTLY IS ON THE WAY OF SALVATION
11 Q. WHO ARE THEY WHO ARE OUTSIDE THE TRUE CHURCH?
A. OUTSIDE THE TRUE CHURCH ARE: INFIDELS, JEWS, HERETICS, APOSTATES, SCHISMATICS, AND THE EXCOMMUNICATED.
12 Q. WHO ARE INFIDELS?
A. INFIDELS ARE THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN BAPTISED AND DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, BECAUSE THEY EITHER BELIEVE IN AND WORSHIP FALSE GODS AS IDOLATERS DO, OR THOUGH ADMITTING ONE TRUE GOD, THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE MESSIAH, NEITHER AS ALREADY COME IN THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST, NOR AS TO COME; FOR INSTANCE, MOHAMMEDANS AND THE LIKE.
13 Q. WHO ARE THE JEWS?
A. THE JEWS ARE THOSE WHO PROFESS THE LAW OF MOSES; HAVE NOT RECEIVED BAPTISM; AND DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST.
14 Q. WHO ARE HERETICS?
A. HERETICS ARE THOSE OF THE BAPTISED WHO OBSTINATELY REFUSE TO BELIEVE SOME TRUTH REVEALED BY GOD AND TAUGHT AS AN ARTICLE OF FAITH BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH; FOR EXAMPLE, THE ARIANS, THE NESTORIANS AND THE VARIOUS SECTS OF PROTESTANTS.
NECESSITY OF BAPTISM AND OBLIGATIONS OF THE BAPTISED
16 Q. IS BAPTISM NECESSARY TO SALVATION?
A. BAPTISM IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO SALVATION, FOR OUR LORD HAS EXPRESSLY SAID: "UNLESS A MAN BE BORN AGAIN OF WATER AND THE HOLY GHOST, HE CANNOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD."
17 Q. CAN THE ABSENCE OF BAPTISM BE SUPPLIED IN ANY OTHER WAY?
A. THE ABSENCE OF BAPTISM CAN BE SUPPLIED BY MARTYRDOM, WHICH IS CALLED BAPTISM OF BLOOD, OR BY AN ACT OF PERFECT LOVE OF GOD, OR OF CONTRITION, ALONG WITH THE DESIRE, AT LEAST IMPLICIT, OF BAPTISM, AND THIS IS CALLED BAPTISM OF DESIRE.
18 Q. TO WHAT IS THE PERSON BAPTISED BOUND?
A. THE PERSON BAPTISED IS BOUND TO ALWAYS PROFESS THE FAITH AND OBSERVE THE LAW OF JESUS CHRIST AND OF HIS CHURCH.
23 Q. IN WHAT DOES THE BODY OF THE CHURCH CONSIST?
A. THE BODY OF THE CHURCH CONSISTS IN HER EXTERNAL AND VISIBLE ASPECT, THAT IS, IN THE ASSOCIATION OF HER MEMBERS, IN HER WORSHIP, IN HER TEACHING-POWER AND IN HER EXTERNAL RULE AND GOVERNMENT.
24 Q. TO BE SAVED, IS IT ENOUGH TO BE ANY SORT OF MEMBER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH?
A. NO, TO BE SAVED IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE ANY SORT OF MEMBER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH; IT IS NECESSARY TO BE A LIVING MEMBER.
25 Q. WHO ARE THE LIVING MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH?
A. THE LIVING MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH ARE THE JUST, AND THE JUST ALONE, THAT IS, THOSE WHO ARE ACTUALLY IN THE GRACE OF GOD.
27 Q. CAN ONE BE SAVED OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC, APOSTOLIC AND ROMAN CHURCH?
A. NO, NO ONE CAN BE SAVED OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC, APOSTOLIC ROMAN CHURCH, JUST AS NO ONE COULD BE SAVED FROM THE FLOOD OUTSIDE THE ARK OF NOAH, WHICH WAS A FIGURE OF THE CHURCH.
29 Q. BUT IF A MAN THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS OWN IS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH, CAN HE BE SAVED?
A. IF HE IS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS, THAT IS, IF HE IS IN GOOD FAITH, AND IF HE HAS RECEIVED BAPTISM, OR AT LEAST HAS THE IMPLICIT DESIRE OF BAPTISM; AND IF, MOREOVER, HE SINCERELY SEEKS THE TRUTH AND DOES GOD'S WILL AS BEST HE CAN SUCH A MAN IS INDEED SEPARATED FROM THE BODY OF THE CHURCH, BUT IS UNITED TO THE SOUL OF THE CHURCH AND CONSEQUENTLY IS ON THE WAY OF SALVATION
11 Q. WHO ARE THEY WHO ARE OUTSIDE THE TRUE CHURCH?
A. OUTSIDE THE TRUE CHURCH ARE: INFIDELS, JEWS, HERETICS, APOSTATES, SCHISMATICS, AND THE EXCOMMUNICATED.
12 Q. WHO ARE INFIDELS?
A. INFIDELS ARE THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN BAPTISED AND DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, BECAUSE THEY EITHER BELIEVE IN AND WORSHIP FALSE GODS AS IDOLATERS DO, OR THOUGH ADMITTING ONE TRUE GOD, THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE MESSIAH, NEITHER AS ALREADY COME IN THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST, NOR AS TO COME; FOR INSTANCE, MOHAMMEDANS AND THE LIKE.
13 Q. WHO ARE THE JEWS?
A. THE JEWS ARE THOSE WHO PROFESS THE LAW OF MOSES; HAVE NOT RECEIVED BAPTISM; AND DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST.
14 Q. WHO ARE HERETICS?
A. HERETICS ARE THOSE OF THE BAPTISED WHO OBSTINATELY REFUSE TO BELIEVE SOME TRUTH REVEALED BY GOD AND TAUGHT AS AN ARTICLE OF FAITH BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH; FOR EXAMPLE, THE ARIANS, THE NESTORIANS AND THE VARIOUS SECTS OF PROTESTANTS.
NECESSITY OF BAPTISM AND OBLIGATIONS OF THE BAPTISED
16 Q. IS BAPTISM NECESSARY TO SALVATION?
A. BAPTISM IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO SALVATION, FOR OUR LORD HAS EXPRESSLY SAID: "UNLESS A MAN BE BORN AGAIN OF WATER AND THE HOLY GHOST, HE CANNOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD."
17 Q. CAN THE ABSENCE OF BAPTISM BE SUPPLIED IN ANY OTHER WAY?
A. THE ABSENCE OF BAPTISM CAN BE SUPPLIED BY MARTYRDOM, WHICH IS CALLED BAPTISM OF BLOOD, OR BY AN ACT OF PERFECT LOVE OF GOD, OR OF CONTRITION, ALONG WITH THE DESIRE, AT LEAST IMPLICIT, OF BAPTISM, AND THIS IS CALLED BAPTISM OF DESIRE.
18 Q. TO WHAT IS THE PERSON BAPTISED BOUND?
A. THE PERSON BAPTISED IS BOUND TO ALWAYS PROFESS THE FAITH AND OBSERVE THE LAW OF JESUS CHRIST AND OF HIS CHURCH.
SEPTEMBER 6, 2024
Matt Gaspers, editor of Catholic Family News and Roberto dei Mattei director of Correspondenza Romano do not deny that they have been interpreting the Catechism of Pope Pius X irrationally
Matt Gaspers, editor or Catholic Family News and Roberto dei Mattei director of Correspondenza Romano do not deny that they have been interpreting the Catechism of Pope Pius X irrationally, with 'the red being an exception to the blue.' They also do not want to interpret this Catechism rationally, i.e. 'the red is not an exception for the blue' since then they would be affirming Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed with no exceptions and the Syllabus of Errors ( ecumenism of return with no exceptions). This would be politically incorrect and a threat financially .- Lionel Andrades
SEPTEMBER 4, 2024
Matt Gaspers editor Catholic Family News and traditionalists interpret the Catechism of Pope Pius X irrationally. They interpret this traditional catechism with 'the red being an exception for the blue'. I avoid this error.
Matt Gaspers editor Catholic Family News and traditionalists interpret the Catechism of Pope Pius X irrationally. They interpret this traditional catechism with 'the red being an exception for the blue'. I avoid this error.
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SEPTEMBER 23, 2024
Obsolete - since now we can interpret Vatican Council II rationally, 'the red is not an exception for the blue', LG 8,14,15,16 refer to invisible and not visible cases in 2024. So they are not exceptions for EENS and the rest of Tradition.
The line in purple decides if Vatican Council II is traditional or liberal.
THE FOLLOWING ARE REFERENCES
TO INVISIBE CASES IN 2024. THEY ARE NOT VISIBLE
EXAMPLES OF SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH AS IS MISTAKEN BY THE DCF. THEY
ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA EXTRA
ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED AND THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS OF POPE
PIUS IX.
This Church constituted and organized in the
world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the
successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him,(13*) although
many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible
structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ,
are forces impelling toward catholic unity.- Lumen Gentium 8, Vatican Council II
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek
with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very
intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her
own. - Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
But the plan of salvation also includes those
who acknowledge the Creator… Those also can attain to salvation who
through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church,
yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will
as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.- Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II.
Moreover, some and even very many of the
significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life
to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic
Church: the written
word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other
interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, and visible elements too. All of these,
which come from Christ and lead back to Christ, belong by right to the one
Church of Christ.
The brethren divided from us also use many
liturgical actions of the Christian religion. These most certainly can truly
engender a life of grace in ways that vary according to the condition of each
Church or Community. These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable
of giving access to the community of salvation. – Unitatis Redintigratio 3 Vatican Council II
The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true
and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those
ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though
differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless
often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. – Nostra Aetate 2, Vatican Council II.
All this holds true not only for Christians, but
for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way. For, since Christ died for all men,(32)
and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to
believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man
the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery.- Gaudium
et Specs 22, Vatican Council II
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JANUARY 26, 2018
When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.
When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.Lionel Andrades
CUSHINGISM
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LIONEL ANDRADES
FORMER STAFF REPORTER, DAILY MORNING NEWS, KARACHI, PAKISTAN.
RECIPIENT OF THE ALL PAKISTAN NEWSPAPER SOCIETY (APNS) BEST REPORTER OF THE YEAR AWARD, PRESENTED BY THE PRIME MINISTER OF PAKISTAN BENAZIR BHUTTO.
RECIPIENT OF THE PAKISTAN GOVERNMENT'S AWARD FOR LITERATURE ( CHILDRENS STORIES).
TEACHER OF ENGLISH AND CHURCH HISTORY AT THE CATHOLIC MINOR SEMINARY, RAWALPINDI.
BISHOP ANTHONY LOBO
SENT TO ROME FOR MINISTERIAL PRIESTHOOD BY BISHOP ANTHONY LOBO, BISHOP OF RAWALPINDI-ISLAMABAD, PAKISTAN.
HE IS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BY THE PONTIFICAL UNIVERSITIES AND SEMINARIES IN ROME.HE INTERPRETS VATICAN COUNCIL II RATIONALLY AND NOT IRRATIONALLY. SO THERE IS A CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION. HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO STUDY AT PONTIFICAL UNIVERSITIES IN ROME, WHERE IT IS OBLIGATORY TO INTERPRET MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS, IRRATIONALLY AND UNETHICALLY.CATHOLIC STUDENTS AND SEMINARIANS ARE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.
THE SEMINARIANS OF THE SOCIETY OF ST. PIUS X, ALBANO, ARE ALLOWED TO STUDY AT THE PONTIFICAL UNIVERSITIES IN ROME SINCE THEY INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II IRRATIONALLY AND NOT RATIONALLY AND THIS IS APPROVED BY THE LEFT.
PROPAGANDA FIDE ONLY GIVES SCHORLARSHIP FOR ALL STUDENTS/ SEMINARIANS WHO ARE APPROVED BY A BISHOP, WHO DOES NOT INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II, RATIONALLY AND EXPECTS SEMINARIANS TO DO THE SAME.
HOWEVER WE HAVE A NEW DISCOVERY IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THERE ARE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF VATICAN COUNCIL II, ONE IS RATIONAL AND THE OTHER IS IRRATIONAL, ONE IS INTERPRETED WITH THE FALSE PREMISE AND THE OTHER WITHOUT IT. ONE IS MAGISTERIAL AND THE OTHER, THE COMMON ONE, IS NON MAGISTERIAL.HOW CAN THE HOLY SPIRIT MAKE AN OBJECTIVE MISTAKE ? SO IT IS HUMAN ERROR AND NOT THE MAGISTERIUM.
VATICAN COUNCIL II IS DOGMATIC AND NOT ONLY PASTORAL, WHEN IT IS INTERPRETED RATIONALLY I.E LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ETC IN VATICAN COUNCIL II REFER TO ONLY HYPOTHETICAL CASES. SO THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXAMPLES OF SALVATION. THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND THE ATHANASIUS CREED.
IT IS THE SAME FOR THE CREEDS AND CATECHISMS. THERE CAN BE TWO INTERPRETATIONS.CATHOLICS MUST CHOOSE THE RATIONAL OPTION.THE CREEDS MUST NOT BE CHANGED.
WHY SHOULD CATHOLICS CHOOSE AN IRRATIONAL VERSION OF THE CREEDS, CATECHISMS AND COUNCILS, WHICH IS HERETICAL, NON-TRADITIONAL AND SCHISMATIC, WHEN A RATIONAL OPTION IS THERE WHICH IS TRADITIONAL?
IT IS UNETHICAL WHEN THE POPES, CARDINALS AND BISHOPS CHOOSE THE IRRATIONAL PREMISE TO INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II AND OTHER MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS AND CALL IT CATHOLIC.
RAHNER, RATZINGER, CONGAR, MURRAY, BALTHAZAR, KUNG, LEFEBVRE AND PAUL VI INTERPRETED VATICAN COUNCIL II IRRATIONALLY. THE POPES FROM PAUL VI TO FRANCIS DID THE SAME. WE CAN TODAY CHOOSE TO INTERPRET THE COUNCIL RATIONALLY AND IN HARMONY WITH TRADITION.
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1.IF VATICAN COUNCIL II IS A RUPTURE WITH THE DOGMA EENS THEN IT MEANS THAT LG 8,14,15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ETC, REFER TO VISIBLE EXAMPLES OF SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH. SO THEY ARE EXCEPTIONS FOR EENS ETC.
2. IF VATICAN COUNCIL II IS NOT A BREAK WITH THE DOGMA EENS THEN IT MEANS THAT LG 8, 14, 15, 16 ETC REFER TO INVISIBLE CASES. THEY ARE NOT VISIBLE EXAMPLES OF SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH IN 1965-2023. INVISIBLE CASES CANNOT BE PRACTICAL EXCEPTIONS FOR ME.SO THERE IS NOTHING IN THE TEXT OF VATICAN COUNCIL II TO CONTRADICT FEENEYITE EENS.
A. SIMILARLY IF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE, BAPTISM OF BLOOD AND INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE REFER TO PHYSICALLY VISIBLE CASES, OF SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH IN 1949-2023, THEN THIS IS CUSHINGISM. IT IS IRRATIONAL. THERE IS A BREAK WITH THE DOGMA EENS AND THE ECUMENISM OF RETURN.THE CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X (24Q,27Q-OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION), HAS EXCEPTIONS. THERE IS A BREAK WITH TRADITION.
B. BUT IF BOD, BOB AND I.I REFER TO INVISIBLE CASES, THEN THEY DO NOT CONTRADICT EENS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED, THE ECUMENISM OF RETURN AND THE CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X(24Q,27Q).THERE IS NO RUPTURE WITH TRADITION.
- WHEN WHAT IS INVISIBLE IS CONSIDERED INVISIBLE, I CALL IT FEENEYISM.
- WHEN WHAT IS INVISIBLE IS CONSIDERED VISIBLE, I CALL IT A CUSHINGISM.
WE CAN INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II WITH FEENEYISM OR CUSHINGISM.
WE CAN INTERPRET BOD, BOB AND I.I WITH FEENEYISM OR CUSHINGISM.
SO WE CAN INTERPRET THE NICENE, APOSTLES AND ATHANASIUS CREED WITH FEENEYISM OR CUSHINGISM. WHEN THESE CREEDS REFER TO BOD, BOB AND I.I THEY CAN BE FEENEYITE OR CUSHINGITE. FOR EXAMPLE, (NICENE CREED-I BELIEVE IN ONE BAPTISM FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN ( AND NOT THREE KNOWN BAPTISMS).
THE APOSTLES CREED (THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDES THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH TO SAY OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION AND NOT OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS KNOWN SALVATION.
ALL NEED CATHOLIC FAITH FOR SALVATION (ATHANASIUS CREED).THIS IS FEENEYISM. BUT IF IT IS SAID ALL NEED CATHOLIC FAITH FOR SALVATION WITH SOME KNOWN EXCEPTIONS THEN THIS IS CUSHINGISM.
THE ONLY HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH (FOUR MARKS, NICENE CREED) IN THE PAST TAUGHT THAT OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION. WHAT IT TEACHES TODAY DEPENDS UPON YOU -IF YOU ARE A FEENEYITE OR CUSHINGITE.
IN THE SAME WAY THERE CAN TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF VATICAN COUNCIL II (LG 8,14,15,16 ETC). IT DEPENDS UPON HOW YOU INTERPRET LG 8 ETC, WITH FEENEYISM OR CUSHINGISM.
-LIONEL ANDRADES
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/06/president-joe-biden-catholic-interprets.html
Lionel Andrades
Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.
Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission)
E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com
Twitter : @LionelAndrades1
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JULY 6, 2024
Archbishop Vigano has a right, canonically, to reject these public errors. He had a moral duty to reject Vatican Council II ( irrational) as held by the Vatican.
JUNE 23, 2024
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JULY 6, 2024
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JULY 5, 2024
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano must ask Pope Francis to accept Vatican Council II
JULY 5, 2024
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JULY 5, 2024
Pope Francis needs to publicly affirm Vatican Council II.
JULY 5, 2024
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JULY 22, 2024
JULY 4, 2024
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