Monday, April 28, 2014
Baptism of Desire/Baptism of Blood-Against
Feeneyism
Baptism of Desire/Baptism of Blood IS
"binding" on ALL Catholics! by Eric
Gajewski
In this hour of the crisis for Holy Mother Church it is necessary
cover those doctrines which a Catholic must believe in order
"to be" or "remain a Catholic". Amidst such horrific teachings
and misapplication of the Catholic Faith coming from the
Feeneyites, many, who are sedevacanists, we must
consider what the Church has taught infallibly which is not to
be considered as mere theological opinion. BOB/BOD is
found in Tradition and taught explicitly at the dogmatic
Council of Trent. It has been taught both thru the extraordinary
and ordinary Magesterium. It can be found in the Catechism
of Trent and St. Pius X. Those who reject BOD/BOB are
objectively speaking "outside the Body of Christ"; they
are heretics and protestants.
Lionel: I affirm the baptism of desire.
I affirm implicit for us baptism of desire
and I reject explicit for us baptism of
desire. For me the baptism of desire
(BOD) is always hypothetical and a
theoretical issue. For me it will
include the baptism of water in
the Catholic.Why cannot I hold this
view theoretically? Any way, with
or without the baptism of water
you do not know of any case in
2017.
view theoretically? Any way, with
or without the baptism of water
you do not know of any case in
2017.
This is how I interpret BOD.
So?
I am affirming implicit BOD along
with the strict interpretation of
the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla
salus(EENS). I am affirm invisible
for baptism of desire alongwith
the Feeneyite interpretation of
the dogma EENS.
I affirm the dogma EENS like
Peter and Michael Dimond but
I do not reject hypothetical
baptism of desire which is
known only to God.They consider
BOD as being explicit so they reject it.
Not me.
BOD as being explicit so they reject it.
Not me.
I do not affirm the baptism
of desire like the SSPX does on
its website.It is Cushingite
and irrational.It infers that BOD refers to
objective cases. Seen in the flesh people.
Otherwise how would it be relevant for
them, with reference to EENS?
The SSPX interprets EENS like the
its website.It is Cushingite
and irrational.It infers that BOD refers to
objective cases. Seen in the flesh people.
Otherwise how would it be relevant for
them, with reference to EENS?
The SSPX interprets EENS like the
present magisterium and the Leftist media.
It is Cushingite and an innovation.
It is Cushingite and an innovation.
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I have gathered here some of the texts in which Catholics
have expressed their belief in baptism of desire and baptism
of blood through the centuries. It is clear that Catholics have
always believed in this infallible teaching of the Church:
Lionel: I assume none of them(BOD and BOB)
refer to visible cases. They do not
refer to people known. Since if any
one is saved it would only be known
to God.
refer to visible cases. They do not
refer to people known. Since if any
one is saved it would only be known
to God.
So for me they are acceptable as being
hypothetical cases.They are not
exceptions to EENS.
Fr.Anthony Cekada too has provided
a long list of references to the baptism
of desire for the sedevantists.For him BOD
is an exception to EENS. So he infers
that BOD is visible and known in personal
cases to be an exception to EENS.
is an exception to EENS. So he infers
that BOD is visible and known in personal
cases to be an exception to EENS.
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(All quotes below are from the Douay Rheims Version)
Baptism of Blood (Scripture):
I have a baptism [His Crucifixion] wherewith I am to be
baptized: and how am I straitened until it be accomplished?”
(St. Luke 12)
“And Jesus said to them: You know not what you ask. Can you
drink of the chalice that I drink of: or be baptized with the
baptism wherewith I am baptized?
But they said to him: We can. And Jesus saith to them: You
shall indeed drink of the chalice that I drink of: and with the
baptism wherewith I am baptized, you shall be baptized.”
(St. Mark 10)
(The Church Fathers)
Tertullian (died A.D. 220)
"We have indeed, likewise, a second font, (itself withal
one with the former,) of blood, to wit; concerning
which the Lord said, “I have to be baptized with a baptism,”
when he had been baptized already. For he had come “
by means of water and blood,” just as John had written; that
He might be baptized by the water, glorified by the blood;
to make us, in like manner, called by water, chosen by blood.
These two baptisms He sent out from the wound in His pierced
side [Jn. 19:34], in order that they who believed in His blood
might be bathed with the water; they who had been bathed
in the water might likewise drink the blood. This is the baptism
that both stands in lieu of the fontal bathing when that
has not been received, and restores it when lost.” (On Baptism, 16)
St. Hippolytus. (A.D. 253)
“If a catechumen is arrested on account of the name of the
Lord [i.e., because he is a Christian,] let him not be of double
heart about his testimony; should violence come to him and he
is killed, although his sins are not yet forgiven [i.e., he is not
yet baptized,] he will be justified. For he has received baptism
in his own blood.” (The Apostolic Tradition, 19)
St. Cyprian (A.D. 258)
Let men of this kind, who are aiders and favourers of
heretics, know therefore, first, that those catechumens
hold the sound faith and truth of the Church, and advance
from the divine camp to do battle with the devil, with a full
and sincere acknowledgement of God the Father, and of
Christ, and of the Holy Ghost; then, that they certainly are
not deprived of the sacrament of baptism who are baptized
with the most glorious and greatest baptism of blood,
concerning which the Lord also said, that He had “another
baptism to be baptized with.”
Lionel: These links are references to
hypothetical cases.It is not said that
BOD and BOB are explicit and known.
Yet this is how they are wrongly
interpreted by Eric.One can see these
links with Feeneyism( BOD is invisible
and so is not an exception to EENS)
or Cushingism( BOD is physically
visible and so is an exception
to EENS, it also excludes the
BOW in the Catholic Church)
BOD and BOB are explicit and known.
Yet this is how they are wrongly
interpreted by Eric.One can see these
links with Feeneyism( BOD is invisible
and so is not an exception to EENS)
or Cushingism( BOD is physically
visible and so is an exception
to EENS, it also excludes the
BOW in the Catholic Church)
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Baptism of Desire:
Dogmatic Council of Trent:
Sacraments received through desire
Trent: “And this translation [to the state of justification],
since the promulgation of the Gospel, cannot be EFFECTED,
WITHOUT THE LAVER OF REGENERATION, AT LEAST IN THE
it may be received unto salvation “in desire” as well as “actually”.
Trent: “Whence it is to be taught, that the penitence of a
Christian, after his fall, is very different from that at (his)
baptism; and that therein are included not only a
cessation from sins, and a detestation thereof, or, a
contrite and humble heart, but also THE SACRAMENTAL
CONFESSION OF THE SAID SINS, AT LEAST IN DESIRE
[saltem in voto], and to be made in its season, and
sacerdotal absolution and likewise satisfaction by fasts,
alms, prayers, and the other pious exercises of a spiritual
life; not indeed for the eternal punishment,-which is,
together with the guilt, REMITTED, EITHER BY
THE SACRAMENT, OR BY THE DESIRE OF THE
SACRAMENT,-but for the temporal punishment, which
, as the sacred writings teach, is not always wholly
remitted, as is done in baptism.” (Denz 807)
alms, prayers, and the other pious exercises of a spiritual
life; not indeed for the eternal punishment,-which is,
together with the guilt, REMITTED, EITHER BY
THE SACRAMENT, OR BY THE DESIRE OF THE
SACRAMENT,-but for the temporal punishment, which
, as the sacred writings teach, is not always wholly
remitted, as is done in baptism.” (Denz 807)
Trent: “The Synod teaches moreover, that, although it sometimes
happen that this CONTRITION IS PERFECT through charity,
and reconciles man with God BEFORE THIS SACRAMENT BE
ACTUALLY RECEIVED, the said reconciliation, nevertheless,
is not to be ascribed to that contrition, independently of THE
DESIRE OF THE SACRAMENT which is included therein.” (Denz. 898)
happen that this CONTRITION IS PERFECT through charity,
and reconciles man with God BEFORE THIS SACRAMENT BE
ACTUALLY RECEIVED, the said reconciliation, nevertheless,
is not to be ascribed to that contrition, independently of THE
DESIRE OF THE SACRAMENT which is included therein.” (Denz. 898)
St. Ambrose (Doctor, A.D. 397)
But he even had this desire for a long time, that, when he
should come into Italy, he would be initiated, and recently he
signified a desire to be baptized by me, and for this reason
above all others he thought that I ought to be summoned.
Has he not, then, the grace which he desired; has he not
the grace which he requested? And because he asked,
he received, and therefore is it said: “By whatsoever
death the just man shall be overtaken, his soul shall
be at rest” (Wisd. 4:7)
should come into Italy, he would be initiated, and recently he
signified a desire to be baptized by me, and for this reason
above all others he thought that I ought to be summoned.
Has he not, then, the grace which he desired; has he not
the grace which he requested? And because he asked,
he received, and therefore is it said: “By whatsoever
death the just man shall be overtaken, his soul shall
be at rest” (Wisd. 4:7)
St. Thomas Aquinas:
And such a man CAN obtain salvation without being
ACTUALLY BAPTIZED, on account of his desire for
Baptism, which desire is the outcome of “faith that
worketh by charity,” whereby God, Whose power is
not tied to visible sacraments, sanctifies man inwardly
. (Summa Theologica III, 68:2)
ACTUALLY BAPTIZED, on account of his desire for
Baptism, which desire is the outcome of “faith that
worketh by charity,” whereby God, Whose power is
not tied to visible sacraments, sanctifies man inwardly
. (Summa Theologica III, 68:2)
“Objection: the sacrament of Baptism is necessary for
salvation. Now that is necessary “without which something
cannot be” (Aristotle’s Metaphysics V). Therefore it seems
that none can obtain salvation without Baptism.
salvation. Now that is necessary “without which something
cannot be” (Aristotle’s Metaphysics V). Therefore it seems
that none can obtain salvation without Baptism.
Reply: THE SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM IS SAID TO BE
NECESSARY FOR SALVATION IN SO FAR AS THERE
CAN BE NO SALVATION FOR MAN UNLESS HE AT
LEAST HAVE IT IN DESIRE WHICH, WITH GOD,
COUNTS FOR THE DEED.” (Summa Theologica 3, 68, 2)
NECESSARY FOR SALVATION IN SO FAR AS THERE
CAN BE NO SALVATION FOR MAN UNLESS HE AT
LEAST HAVE IT IN DESIRE WHICH, WITH GOD,
COUNTS FOR THE DEED.” (Summa Theologica 3, 68, 2)
In another way one may eat Christ spiritually, as He is
under the sacramental species, inasmuch as a man
believes in Christ, WHILE DESIRING TO RECEIVE
THIS SACRAMENT; and this is NOT MERELY TO EAT
CHRIST SPIRITUALLY, BUT LIKEWISE TO EAT THIS SACRAMENT. (Summa Theologica 3, 80, 2)
Lionel: None of them have said that BOD is an exception to EENS.
under the sacramental species, inasmuch as a man
believes in Christ, WHILE DESIRING TO RECEIVE
THIS SACRAMENT; and this is NOT MERELY TO EAT
CHRIST SPIRITUALLY, BUT LIKEWISE TO EAT THIS SACRAMENT. (Summa Theologica 3, 80, 2)
Lionel: None of them have said that BOD is an exception to EENS.
Neither is it an exception to EENS for me.
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Church Texts Condemning Feeneyism
Richard J. Cushing, Archbishop of Boston
– Decree Regarding Leonard Feeney,
April 18, 1949
– Decree Regarding Leonard Feeney,
April 18, 1949
Rev. Leonard Feeney, S.J., because of grave
offense against the laws of the Catholic Church
has lost the right to perform any priestly function,
including preaching and teaching of religion.
offense against the laws of the Catholic Church
has lost the right to perform any priestly function,
including preaching and teaching of religion.
Any Catholics who frequent St. Benedict’s Center,
or who in any way take part in or assist its
activities forfeit the right to receive the Sacrament
of Penance and Holy Eucharist.
or who in any way take part in or assist its
activities forfeit the right to receive the Sacrament
of Penance and Holy Eucharist.
Given at Boston on the 18th day of April, 1949.
Lionel: The Archbishop and
the Jesuits in Boston were
interpreted BOD as being
visible and known in
personal cases.This was
irrational.It contradicts the
Principle of Non Contradiction.
How could they see people in
Heaven saved without the
baptism of water ? How could
they see pèople in Heaven saved
with the baptism of water? How
could they say that
someone on earth will be saved
without the baptism of water
but with BOD, BOB or I.I ?
So when it is said that
'the Church says' someone
(X,Y,Z) is in Heaven without the
baptism of water in the Catholic
Church, who is this person 'in
the Church' who saw these
cases?
the Jesuits in Boston were
interpreted BOD as being
visible and known in
personal cases.This was
irrational.It contradicts the
Principle of Non Contradiction.
How could they see people in
Heaven saved without the
baptism of water ? How could
they see pèople in Heaven saved
with the baptism of water? How
could they say that
someone on earth will be saved
without the baptism of water
but with BOD, BOB or I.I ?
So when it is said that
'the Church says' someone
(X,Y,Z) is in Heaven without the
baptism of water in the Catholic
Church, who is this person 'in
the Church' who saw these
cases?
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Pius XII – Decree Excommunicating
Leonard Feeney, 13 February 1953
Leonard Feeney, 13 February 1953
Prior to the excommunication, Feeney received
the following summons to appear before the Holy
Office from Cardinal Pizzardo on November 22, 1952.
the following summons to appear before the Holy
Office from Cardinal Pizzardo on November 22, 1952.
The Holy Office has been obliged repeatedly to
make your teaching and conduct in the Church
the object of its special care and attention, and
recently, after having again carefully examined a
nd calmly weighed all the evidence collected in
your cause, it has found it necessary to bring
this question to a conclusion.
make your teaching and conduct in the Church
the object of its special care and attention, and
recently, after having again carefully examined a
nd calmly weighed all the evidence collected in
your cause, it has found it necessary to bring
this question to a conclusion.
DECREE
THE PRIEST LEONARD FEENEY IS DECLARED
EXCOMMUNICATED
EXCOMMUNICATED
Since the priest Leonard Feeney, a resident of Boston
(Saint Benedict Center), who for a long time has been
suspended a divinis for grave disobedience toward
church authority, has not, despite repeated
warnings and threats of incurring excommunication
ipso facto, come to his senses, the Most Eminent
and Reverend Fathers, charged with safeguarding
matters of faith and morals, have, in a Plenary
Session held on Wednesday 4 February 1953,
declared him excommunicated with all the effects
of the law.
(Saint Benedict Center), who for a long time has been
suspended a divinis for grave disobedience toward
church authority, has not, despite repeated
warnings and threats of incurring excommunication
ipso facto, come to his senses, the Most Eminent
and Reverend Fathers, charged with safeguarding
matters of faith and morals, have, in a Plenary
Session held on Wednesday 4 February 1953,
declared him excommunicated with all the effects
of the law.
On Thursday, 12 February 1953, our Most Holy Lord
Pius XII, by Divine Providence Pope, approved
and confirmed the decree of the Most Eminent
Fathers, and ordered that it be made a matter
of public law.
Pius XII, by Divine Providence Pope, approved
and confirmed the decree of the Most Eminent
Fathers, and ordered that it be made a matter
of public law.
Given at Rome, at the headquarters of the Holy
Office, 13 February 1953.
Office, 13 February 1953.
Marius Crovini, Notary
AAS (February 16, 1953) Vol. XXXXV, Page 100
Lionel: So he was excommunicated
for saying there were no
known cases of the baptism of
desire in 1949 and the Archbishop
and the cardinals at the Holy
Office in Rome were saying
there were?
for saying there were no
known cases of the baptism of
desire in 1949 and the Archbishop
and the cardinals at the Holy
Office in Rome were saying
there were?
So who is irrational and in heresy
-the Holy Office or Fr. Leonard Feeney?
-the Holy Office or Fr. Leonard Feeney?
According to Chris Ferrara there
are no practical exceptions to the
dogma EENS.
are no practical exceptions to the
dogma EENS.
According to John Martignoni
zero cases of something cannot
be exceptions to the dogma EENS.
zero cases of something cannot
be exceptions to the dogma EENS.
According to Fr. Stefano Visintini
osb,Vice Rector of the Pontifical
University of St.Anselm, Rome,
BOD and I.I are not exceptions
to EENS.
osb,Vice Rector of the Pontifical
University of St.Anselm, Rome,
BOD and I.I are not exceptions
to EENS.
So who was in heresy, Fr.
Leonard Feeney or the Archbishop
and Jesuits in Boston?
Leonard Feeney or the Archbishop
and Jesuits in Boston?
-Lionel Andrades
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