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Wikipedia has placed a new entry on line Talk: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus which does not mention that invisible for us baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) cannot be a visible exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and this was an objective error made by the popes from Pius XII to Francis.
The article states:
Dogmatic nature of EENS[edit]
Whether EENS is a dogma is a disputed point among Catholic theologians; it is a matter of legitimate disagreement in the Church. Therefore, under Wikipedia policy WP:NPOV#A simple formulation, it is not permitted for this article to assert as a matter of fact that EENS is a dogma. I don't want to start an edit war, so before I do a second revert I'm asking here if there is any justification under Wikipedia policy for the current article making this assertion. -- Cat Whisperer 23:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
The article states:
Dogmatic nature of EENS[edit]
Whether EENS is a dogma is a disputed point among Catholic theologians; it is a matter of legitimate disagreement in the Church. Therefore, under Wikipedia policy WP:NPOV#A simple formulation, it is not permitted for this article to assert as a matter of fact that EENS is a dogma. I don't want to start an edit war, so before I do a second revert I'm asking here if there is any justification under Wikipedia policy for the current article making this assertion. -- Cat Whisperer 23:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
EENS was a dogma.However even if it is said that EENS was not a dogma how can invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I be a visible exception to the teaching on all needing to be formal members of the Church for salvation?
I understand that, as Schreck wrote, "the ordinary way for one to attain salvation through Jesus Christ is through faith, baptism, and a life of discipleship". However, "In God's mercy it is possible for those who are not Christians to be saved through the grace of Jesus Christ."
Yes as a speculative possibility, as a theoretical possibility but this should not be connected with the dogma EENS. Since a possibility is not a known case of salvation outside the Church. So it cannot be relevant or an exception to EENS.-Lionel Andrades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AExtra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus
Yes as a speculative possibility, as a theoretical possibility but this should not be connected with the dogma EENS. Since a possibility is not a known case of salvation outside the Church. So it cannot be relevant or an exception to EENS.-Lionel Andrades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AExtra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus
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