Vatican Reaffirms Teaching on Salvation in Response to ‘Cultural Changes’
In a Letter to bishops, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith tackles two modern tendencies which it argues make the true salvation offered by the Catholic Church ‘difficult to understand.’
Edward Pentin
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/vatican-reaffirms-teaching-on-salvation-to-reflect-cultural-changes
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/vatican-reaffirms-teaching-on-salvation-to-reflect-cultural-changes
The headline of Edward Pentin's report on the National Catholic Register is false.The Vatican has not affirmed the traditional teaching on salvation. Instead it has denied it.
The traditional teaching was outside the Church there is no salvation and that the Catholic Church had the superiority and exclusiveness in salvation.
Instead the Vatican has affirmed a non exclusive form of salvation which is an innovation in the Church.
The National Catholic Register report states:
The National Catholic Register report states:
In answer to a question about the issue of ecumenism and salvation outside the Church — a contentious point in Dominus Iesus which inferred the superiority of the Church in relation to Christian denominations — Archbishop(sic) Ladaria said “superiority is perhaps the wrong word."
He added that Vatican II taught that “Christ’s Church subsists in the Catholic Church,” and referred to the Council document Lumen Gentium which teaches that “many elements of salvation are found in Christian religious confessions” and “all tend towards Catholic unity.”
Archbishop Ladaria said that denominations have “elements of sanctification” and “we recognize these gladly.” He stressed that “the fact we don’t enter directly into this [in the Letter] doesn’t mean that the teaching has changed. It seems to me to have deepened.”
This is an interpretation of Lumen Gentium 8 with the false premise, Cushingite theology.It is reading Vatican Council II with the for and against EENS approach instead of the for and neutral to EENS approach which is rational.
For me Lumen Gentium 8 without the false premise and with Feeneyite theology does not contradict the old teaching on exclusive salvation in the Church.Since Lumen Gentium 8 is referring to hypothetical cases and hypothetical cases are not known persons saved outside the Church in 2018.Possibilities, probabilities and speculation with good will cannot be concrete exceptions in real life. So there is no change in the Church before and after Vatican Council II for me. There still is the old ecclesiology with its ecumenism of return and Lumen Gentium 8 is not an exception.
-Lionel Andrades
For me the text in red refers to only hypothetical cases which are not examples of known people saved outside the Church. So they are not practical exceptions to the text in blue.
So I am reading the same passage as Edward Pentin or Michael Voris but my theology is Feeneyite.
So for me Vatican Council II(AG 7) says all need faith and baptism for salvation and this must be proclaimed in mission.But for Edward Pentin there are exceptions of those 'inculpably ignorant of the Gospel' whom God can lead to Himself.This is a non hypothetical case for Edward. So not every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Church for him, as the blue passages in Ad Gentes 7 tell me.
So we are both reading the same passage in Vatican Council II(AG 7) but he does it with Cushingite theology which depends on the false premise. I avoid it.This I call Feeneyism.
So Edward Pentin will not say that all Jews and Muslims in the USA are on the way to Hell in 2018 unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and baptism according to Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994).There will not be mission for him based on this traditional teaching of the Church.
-Lionel Andrades
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Here are some passages in the Catechism and Vatican Council II which Edward Pentin will interpret with Cushingism.
1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.-Catechism of the Catholic Church
Feeneyite line.
The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.
Feeneyite passage:
The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit."
Feeneyite line.
God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism,
Cushingite line
for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.
Cushingite line
he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
Edward Pentin being a Cushingite in theology assumes that what is written in red is an exception to that written in blue.
For him the hypothetical passages in red are not hypothetical. So they can be exceptions to the passages inblue.
So the passages in red are relevant and are exceptions to the passage inblue for him.
So he cannot come out outright and say : all non Catholics in the world in 2018 are on the way to Hell, with no known exception, unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water.
For me the text in red refers to only hypothetical cases which are not examples of known people saved outside the Church in the present times. So they are not practical exceptions to the text inblue.
So I am reading the same passage as Edward Pentin but my theology is Feeneyite.
Feeneyism for me means the absense of the irrational premise ( hypothetical cases like the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are non hypothetical in 2018).
The authors of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) were Cushingites.The Catechism however can still be interpreted with Feeneyism.
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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.
By means of this activity, the Mystical Body of Christ unceasingly gathers and directs its forces toward its own growth (cf. Eph. 4:11-16). The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life to come.
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
Feeneyite passage:
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.
yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.
The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life to come.
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ.
Cushingite passages:
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."
Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him
So I am reading the same passage as Edward Pentin or Michael Voris but my theology is Feeneyite.
So for me Vatican Council II(AG 7) says all need faith and baptism for salvation and this must be proclaimed in mission.But for Edward Pentin there are exceptions of those 'inculpably ignorant of the Gospel' whom God can lead to Himself.This is a non hypothetical case for Edward. So not every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Church for him, as the blue passages in Ad Gentes 7 tell me.
So we are both reading the same passage in Vatican Council II(AG 7) but he does it with Cushingite theology which depends on the false premise. I avoid it.This I call Feeneyism.
So Edward Pentin will not say that all Jews and Muslims in the USA are on the way to Hell in 2018 unless they enter the Catholic Church with faith and baptism according to Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994).There will not be mission for him based on this traditional teaching of the Church.
-Lionel Andrades
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FEBRUARY 19, 2018
I am referring to Feeneyism and Cushingism as explained on my blog.The fault does not lie with Vatican Council II in itself. It depends upon how you interpret the Council, whether you use Cushingism or Feeneyism. Cushingism results in the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/i-am-referring-to-feeneyism-and.html
FEBRUARY 19, 2018
Bradley Eli at CMTV interprets EENS and Vatican Council II with Cushingism like the present Magisterium : Cushingism is irrational, non traditional, heretical and creates the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/02/bradley-eli-at-cmtv-interprets-eens-and.html
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