"The Council and the Eclipse of God" by Don Pietro Leone - Part XV:The Church and the State: Religious Liberty - part 2 of Chapter 4
The present installment concerns the Council's doctrine on Religious Liberty, which represents one of its most important departures from Tradition. The Church has always taught that Religious Liberty is the liberty of a Catholic to profess the one true religion; whereas the Council teaches that it is the liberty of any-one to profess and practice the religion he chooses. The Council bases its teaching on the excellence of man's freedom to which it ascribes some sort of god-like quality; it insinuates that God respects man's use of freedom, even to the extent of acquiescing in its misuse. It claims moreover to justify this doctrine in Revelation. Don Pietro here seeks to unravel the threads of its tortuous argumentation with the same subtlety with which it tangled them together. F.R.
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2021/09/the-council-and-eclipse-of-god-by-don.html
When Vatican Council II is ecclesiocentric and dogmatic and supports the
strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam
nulla salus they it supports a Catholic State with a Catholic Government.
The Catholic State decides Religious
Liberty as during the time of the Papal States in Italy, non Catholics had
freedom to worship, they had the right to worship even though the Government
was Catholic and the ecclesiology of the Church was exclusivist.While the Catholic religion is the official religion the State can decide the level of freedoms given to non Catholics.
When Vatican Council II is interpreted
without the false premise, then the Council is traditional and ecclesiocentric
and in harmony with the Church in the Middle Ages, for example, when Religious
Liberty was not controversial.
So based upon Vatican Council II
interpreted with the rational premise, we can today proclaim the traditional
teachings on Religious Liberty, the Social Reign of Christ the King, the non
separation of Church and State and Traditional Mission doctrine.
Collegiality and Synodality are no more an issue since all will have to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and in harmony with Tradition.
Don Pietro Leone interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise and so the non traditional conclusion is that there is salvation outside the Church and there are practical exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So it makes EENS obsolete and then the question is rightly asked "Why have Traditional Mission, why proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King, when there is salvation outside the Church". So John Courtney Murray could also put forward his innovative thesis on Religious Liberty in a secular State.-Lionel Andrades
MAY 27, 2017
Dignitatis Humane is not an issue with Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) : English bishops are Cushingites
CATHOLIC HERALD ON RECENT SSPX DEVELOPMENTS
The editorial at the beginning of this week’s print edition of the Catholic Herald, the UK’s best Catholic weekly.When Vatican Council II is in agreement with the philosophy and theology of Feeneyism ( invisible cases are not visible and so they are not exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) according to the 16th century magisterium ) then Dignitatis Humanae is not a rupture with the dogma EENS. Then no matter how you interpret Dignitatis Humanae, if Vatican Council II affirms outside the Church there is no salvation, then religious liberty is traditional.1Dignitatis Humane does not contradict the Church's traditional doctrine.2 Fr.John Zuhlsdorf ,like the editorial staff at Catholic Herald the U.K bishops and the Vatican Curia interpret Dignitatis Humane (DH)with the theology of Cushingism. The SSPX does the same. So there is the tension for traditionalist and conservative Catholics with reference to DH.If they simply switched to Feeneyism as a theology ( invisible baptism of desire cannot be a visible exception to EENS in 2017, the same with LG 16, LG 8 ,UR 3,NA 2, GS 22 etc) and philosophy( physically invisible cases are not practically visible.Hypothetical cases of someone saved in invincible ignorance is not an objective and verifiable case on earth) then DH is traditional and is not a doctrinal issue.-Lionel Andrades
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/no-matter-how-you-interpret-dignitatis.html#links
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/dignitatis-humanae-does-not-contrdict.html#links
FEBRUARY 28, 2014
MARCH 12, 2016
Traditionalists reviewed Dignitatis Humanae with the theology of irrational Cushingism : so they were wrong at the onsethttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/traditionalists-reviewed-dignitatis.html
NOVEMBER 25, 2014
The Council’s words are strong and forthright here, implicitly asserting the sovereignty of Christ over all nations, but we now seldom hear them quoted
MICHAEL DAVIS MADE A MISTAKE ON THE ISSUE OF VATICAN COUNCIL II AND OTHER RELIGIONS : ALSO ON RELIGIOUS LIBERTY ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/02/michael-davis-made-mistake-on-issue-of.html#links
Did Michael Davis know ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/02/did-michael-davis-know.html#links
What is the declaration of religious tolerance?
An edict of toleration is a declaration, made by a government or ruler, and states that members of a given religion will not be persecuted for engaging in their religious practices and traditions. The edict implies tacit acceptance of the religion rather than its endorsement by the ruling power.
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What does freedom of religion include?
The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of ...
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What is the message of Dignitatis Humanae?
In the context of the council's stated intention "to develop the doctrine of recent popes on the inviolable rights of the human person and the constitutional order of society", Dignitatis humanae spells out the church's support for the protection of religious liberty.
(Lionel : In a secular state only )
What is right to religion?
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching practice and observance.Jun 3, 2021
dignitiatis humanae vatican Council II text
Who wrote the Dignitatis Humanae?
John Courtney Murray
Drafted largely by prominent Jesuit theologian John Courtney Murray, it represented a departure from previous Catholic teachings in that it acknowledged and accepted as normative the separation between Church and State and declared religious freedom a fundamental human right
(Lionel: With the false premise approved in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 he and others used the false premise at Vatican Council II to create a New Theology which said outside the Church there is salvation, there is known salvation and so the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS was made obsolete. Without this irrationality he could not not have presented his new theories on Religious Liberty.)
Why is freedom of religion a human right?
Article 9 of the Human Rights Act protects our freedom of thought and conscience, as well as our religion or beliefs. This freedom is fundamental to living in an open, tolerant and diverse society – where people can think, believe and subscribe to a multitude of views, religions and teachings.
What was the impact of Vatican II?
As a result of Vatican II, the Catholic Church opened its windows onto the modern world, updated the liturgy, gave a larger role to laypeople, introduced the concept of religious freedom and started a dialogue with other religions.
(Lionel : This was all possible because Vatican Council II was interpreted with the false premise and not the rational premise.Teh error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 was not corrected by the popes from Pius XII to Paul VI. It still is not corrected.
It is only when the Council is interpreted with the irrationality that there are ‘the reforms’, ‘the revolution’ etc of Vatican Council II. This error can be corrected today. )
What were the aims of the Second Vatican Council?
Among his stated objectives in calling the council were: to foster spiritual renewal; to renew commitment to world evangelism and develop strategy; to lay the groundwork for an eventual reunion of the Catholic Church and other Christian denominations; to make church doctrine more accessible and comprehensible; to ...Aug 16, 2021
Lionel : This was possible since the popes from Pius XII did not defend Fr. Leonard Feeney. Then Pope Paul VI did not choose to interpret EENS or the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance with the rational premise. The error was repated by Pope John Paul II , Pope Benedict and now Pope Francis.So there was the theological possibility, with this error of the false premise, to have a new ecumenism, a new evangelisation based upon Christocentrism and not the traditional Ecclesiiocentrism, so there was a New Ecclesiology. All this can be changed by re-interpreting Vatican Council II rationally.)
Is freedom of religion an absolute right?
Freedom of religion is the right of an individual or community, in public or private, to manifest religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance. ... The Supreme Court of the United States has consistently held, however, that the right to free exercise of religion is not absolute.
(Lionel: This right has been taken away by secular Governments in the West. Their values are now Satanic and they oppose religion )
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MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS CAN BE INTERPRETED WITH 1)THE RED PASSAGESBEING AN EXCEPTION TO THE BLUE PASSAGES OR WITH 2)THE RED PASSAGESNOT BEING AN EXCEPTION TO THE BLUE PASSAGES.THE LATTER(2) IS RATIONAL.
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