With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II , the popes, cardinals and bishops are shown as being not rational and neither ethical- it cannot be Magisterial.The popes from Pius XII were not Magisterial on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) - they were Cushingite and not Feeneyite.We must now interpret the Creeds and Catechisms with Feeneyism ( invisible people are invisible in 2023) and not Cushingism ( invisible people are visible in the present times).
We must interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism ( LG 16 refers to an
invisible case in 2023) and not Cushingism ( LG 8, 14, 15. 16 etc) refer to
visible non Christians saved outside the Church in 2023).
The Vatican is not commenting on this issue since they have always been
Cushingite since 1949.
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith ( Holy Office) in the
1949, Letter to the Archbishop of Boston, Cardinal Cushing, relative to
Fr. Leonard Feeney,confused invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being
saved in invincible ignorance, as being
visible exceptions for traditional EENS. So the dogma EENS and the Catechisms
etc were made obsolete in 1949.The Council Fathers in 1965 repeated the
mistake. They enlarged the category of exceptions
to LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.
Pope Francis, the cardinals and bishops cannot continue to
interpret LG 8,. LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA
2, GS 22 etc, with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism. They cannot expect all
Catholics to be irrational and dishonest. The people must see LG 8, LG 14, LG
16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, etc, as being hypothetical only.
The Roman Missal is Feeneyite and the New Missal is Cushingite
NEW MISSAL INCOMPLETE
Catholics must also note that the New Missal of Pope Paul VI is incomplete, since it is based upon Vatican Council II, Cushingite. It does not affirm Feeneyite EENS.
ANGELUS PRESS MUST ISSUE A CORRECTION
The Angelus Press of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) must clarify that the books they have published on Vatican Council II, or related to Vatican Council II, including those of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, has an error.The Council was interpreted irrationally and not rationally. The SSPX priests in Rome are refusing to speak to me on this issue.
SSPX CATECHESIS HAS ERROR
They have Catechesis for Adults in Rome with the Catechism of Pope Pius X which they interpret irrationally. Invincible ignorance ( 29Q) is projected as an exception for 29Q ( outside the Church no salvation).They must acknowledge that they made a mistake.
The SSPX cannot say that they are following the popes . The popes accepted Vatican Council II with the error and they rejected the Council, but all the same, interpreted the Council, with the error.
BISHOP MARK PIVARUNAS' MISTAKE ON THE CMRI WEBSITE
Also Bishop Mark Pivarunas must clarify that the list of baptism of desire cases mentioned on the CMRI website, all refer to hypothetical cases only. They are invisible cases in 2023.
Also sedevacantist Bishop Donald Sanborn must admit that his community's interpretation of EENS and Vatican Council II is irrational and not honest.
MHFM FOLLOWS POPE JOHN PAUL II AND 'THE VATICAN II SECT'
Peter and Michael Dimond at the Most Holy Family Monastery, NY, like their founder Nathan Joseph, interpret Vatican Council II like 'the Vatican Council II sect' and the popes John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Francis. The MHFM interprets Vatican Council II irrationally like the United States Conferences of Bishops (USCCB).
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The Archbishop of Ferarra, Italy Giancarlo Peregro and the visiting Auxiliary Bishop of Rome, Daniele Libanori s.j, transferred traditionalist young priests.Libanori still interprets the Council irrationally like the Italian Bishops Conference. -Lionel Andrades
NOVEMBER 21, 2023
What is the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
It is a different way of looking at LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II.
Why is it different?
It sees LG 8,14, 15,16 etc as being only hypothetical cases. They refer to invisible people in 1965-2023. So they are not objective examples of salvation in the present times . They are not exceptions for the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church. They do not contradict the Council of Florence (1442) and the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
We cannot see any one saved in imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) or where the Catholic Church subsists outside its visible boundaries (LG 8). If any one was saved outside the Church it could only be known to God.
So what ? Why is this important ?
Presently the popes, cardinals and bishops interpret Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition. LG 8, 14,. 15, 16 etc are exceptions for the dogma EENS. The Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX are made obsolete by them. So they imply that LG 8,14, 15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 are objective examples of salvation in the present times. They are not invisible cases for them. This is irrational. The invisible- people- are- visible premise is unethical. But this is the common way to create the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.
So what are the implications of the L.A interpretation?
We read the text of Vatican Council II differently. We also read the text of other Church Documents (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus, Catechism of Pope Pius X, etc) differently. If the hypothetical cases in Vatican Council II ( baptism of desire-LG 14 etc) are marked in red and the orthodox passages which support the past ecclesiology are marked in blue, then the red passages do not contradict the blue. Presently for most people , the red is an exception for the blue.
The Church has returned to the past faith and morals based upon exclusive salvation in only the Church.This was Apostolic. It is a return to the Church Fathers and to the missionaries of the 16th century.
Catholics can once again proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics, since Vatican Council II is in harmony with Tradition.It is important for Governments and societies to be Catholic since in Heaven there are only Catholics ( AG 7, LG 16, CCC 845,846 etc).
We have returned to the past Traditional Mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and the necessity for all to be members of the Catholic Church; to believe in Jesus in the Catholic Church only, to avoid Hell ( for salvation).
There can now only be the old ecumenism of return and inter-religious dialogue will be missionary. The theological foundation will now be a Vatican Council II which is orthodox and Magisterial.
It means the present interpretation of the popes,
cardinals and bishops, is irrational and so non
Magisterial.
So why did the Council Fathers in 1965 not know
all this ?
They repeated the objective mistake made
in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office. It confused invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as being visible exceptions for Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus, or, EENS according to the Church Councils. The Church Councils (1215 etc) did not mention any exceptions.
-Lionel Andrades
NOVEMBER 19, 2023
You can interpret Vatican Council II according to Pope Paul VI or Lionel Andrades. Vatican Council II can be Cushingite or Feeneyite, with the irrational premise (invisible non-Catholics are physically visible) or rational premise (invisible cases are invisible only). So the conclusion is different. The Council is non traditional or traditional. It depends upon the premise, inference and conclusion, chosen.
You can interpret Vatican Council II according to Pope Paul VI or Lionel Andrades. Vatican Council II can be Cushingite or Feeneyite, with the irrational premise (invisible non-Catholics are physically visible) or rational premise (invisible cases are invisible only). So the conclusion is different. The Council is non traditional or traditional. It depends upon the premise, inference and conclusion, chosen.
So we have orthodox ( conservative) passages and the hypothetical ( speculative, theoretical, invisible) passages in Vatican Council i.e. the orthodox passages are marked in blue and the hypothetical passages marked in red, then the red does not contradict the blue. Invisible people cannot be practical exceptions for Tradition. Tradition includes the past ecclesiocentrism, the exclusivist ecclesiology, the old theology, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, the Catechisms of Trent and Pius X etc.- Lionel Andrades
- Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
- Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
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THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848
"Outside the Church there is no salvation" 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
- Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
- Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
DOMINUS IESUS
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THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there
is no salvation outside the Church.
However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church...
which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth...
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.
Not only did the Savior command that all nations should enter the Church, but He also decreed the Church to be a means of salvation without which no one can enter the kingdom of eternal glory.
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects,necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic
necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing. This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the sacrament of regeneration and in reference to the sacrament of penance (, nn. 797, 807).
However, this desire need not always be explicit,as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.
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