Thursday, October 3, 2024
One simple step
If Pope Francis, like Archbishop Thomas E. Gullickson, Abbot Stefano
Visintin OSB, John Martignoni, Novus-Ordo-Mass priests in Prenestina, Rome and
numerous priests abroad, interprets Lumen Gentium 16, as being a hypothetical
case only, the whole Church comes back to Tradition.
One simple step.
If the German bishops do not accept this they will be harmony and schism.
It will be the same for Cardinal Fernandez and Archbishop Vigano who interpret
Lumen Gentium 16 as visible exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla
salus (EENS).
Presently Cardinal Fernandez interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and this creates a rupture with the Tradition of Archbishop Vigano whom he has accused of being in schism. Archbishop Vigano cites Tradition and sees the rupture of the cardinal with Tradition and so in turn accuses him of schism, with the past Magisterium. If both interpret Vatican Council II, rationally, they will be in harmony with Tradition.
If Pope Francis interprets Lumen Gentium 16 as being an invisible case in 2024 and so not an exception for the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church and if Cardinal Fernandez refuses to do the same, he will be in heresy and schism.
Before 1946, over the centuries, they did not project invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignnorance as visible exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Council of Florence 1442 etc). This is a mistake Pope Francis makes today.- Lionel Andrades
OCTOBER 2, 2024
One single step
When Pope Francis, like the priests at Prenestina, Rome, says Lumen Gentium 16 refers to a hypothetical case only the whole Church returns the Tradition, of the traditionalists at the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire, in the diocese of Manchester, USA.
One single step.
The apostolic visitation of the FSSP will really be apostolic and the visitors will be traditional and no more liberal. - Lionel Andrades
Wednesday, October 2, 2024
One single step
When
Pope Francis, like the priests at Prenestina, Rome, says Lumen Gentium 16
refers to a hypothetical case only the whole Church returns the Tradition, of
the traditionalists at the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire, in the diocese
of Manchester, USA.
One single step.
The apostolic visitation of the FSSP will really be apostolic and the visitors will be traditional and no more liberal. - Lionel Andrades
Tuesday, October 1, 2024
When presenting their defense at future schism-trials, it should be pointed out by the defendants that 1. Pope Francis and Cardinal Fernandez interpret Vatican Council II irrationally. This can be confirmed in public.
Statement on the trial of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano by the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.
k. can. 1364: “§ 1. The apostate, heretic, and schismatic incurs excommunication latae sententiae, without prejudice to the provisions of can. 194, § 1, no. 2; he may also be punished with the penalties set forth in can. 1336, § 2-4. § 2. If prolonged contumacy or the gravity of the scandal, other punishments may be added, not excluding dismissal from the clerical state.”; (Lionel: This must apply to the clerics of the DDF. They do not interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so honestly. When they are rational they are Magisterial. There would be the hermeneutic of continuity with the Magisterium over the centuries.- Lionel Andrades
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When presenting their defense at future schism-trials, it should be pointed out by the defendants that 1. Pope Francis and Cardinal Fernandez interpret Vatican Council II irrationally. This can be confirmed in public.
2. So they are in schism with the past Magisterium over the centuries. Again this can be verified in public.
3.The pope must interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so be in communion with the popes of the past, example, Pope Pius X. Now it is common knowledge that he does not interpret Vatican Council II rationally and is not in communion with Pope Pius X.
POPE FRANCIS MUST ACCEPT VATICAN COUNCIL
1. Pope Francis can be accepted as the pope. It is easy to be in communion with him when he is in communion with the past popes on the Syllabus of Errors, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Church Councils. He must affirm the Catholic Faith in public on this issue.
THE DDF MUST AFFIRM VATICAN COUNCIL II BUT ONLY RATIONAL
2. Vatican Council II (rational) has the hermeneutic of continuity with the past ecclesiocentrism and the rest of Tradition. So it can be accepted. Morally, the Council can only be interpreted rationally. Pope Francis must endorse this interpretation of Vatican Council II in public. Then it will be easy to accept him as a pope who affirms a traditional Vatican Council II.
DDF MUST AFFIRM AND CLARIFY THE FAITH
3. So when the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican can accept these conditions i.e not being in heresy and schism because of the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II, then the pope and Vatican Council II ( rational) can easily be accepted by all.
But first Pope Francis and the DDF must set an example and affirm the Catholic Faith and accept all Church Documents, interpreted only rationally.- Lionel Andrades
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The pope and the DDF have to accept the Athanasius Creed intact. For some reason they are not doing this. There is no denial on social media. They admit that they reject this Creed. They are also changing the interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creed. This is first class heresy according to the hierarchy of truths of Pope John Paul II .
Statement on the trial of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano by the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.
c. can. 751: “There is called heresy, the obstinate denial, after having received baptism, of some truth which is to be believed by divine and catholic faith, or obstinate doubt about it; apostasy, the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism, the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”
Lionel: The pope and the DDF have to accept the Athanasius Creed intact. For some reason they are not doing this. There is no denial on social media. They admit that they reject this Creed. They are also changing the interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creed. This is first class heresy according to the hierarchy of truths of Pope John Paul II .
d. can. 1321 § 4: “Post external violation, imputability is presumed unless it appears otherwise.”;( (Lionel: Agreed . The onus lies with the DDF to prove it is not heretical and schismatic in the face of so many reports on social media which they ignore )
-Lionel Andrades
Vatican Council II the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms have to be interpreted only rationally. The Vatican offices are not doing this
Statement on the trial of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano by the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.
can. 750 § 2: “One must also firmly accept and hold firmly also all and every one of those things which are proposed definitively by the Magisterium of the Church concerning the doctrine of faith and morals, that is, those things which are required in order to keep holy and faithfully expound the same deposit of faith; one is therefore opposed to the doctrine of the Catholic Church who rejects the same propositions to be held definitively.” Lionel. Yes. Vatican Council II the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms have to be interpreted only rationally. The Vatican offices are not doing this. 1
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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/09/ddf-statement-on-archbishop-carlo-maria.html
Pope Francis' statement has no theological foundation in Vatican Council II, interpreted rationally and so honestly.
With
Pope Francis saying all religions are paths to salvation it is asked if
Catholic Tradition is obsolete, in particolar the proclamation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
When I cite the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and
the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church I affirm Magisterial Documents,
including Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church,
interpreted only rationally. So I affirm the Apostolic teachings of the
Church expressed in the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms which do not change.
I am supported by the writings of Pope John Paul II
which opposed indifferentism, Pope Pius X and the popes over the centuries. I
am supported by the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century
but also the Church Fathers and the Apostles. Pope Francis cannot say the same.
He is not in communion with Jesus and His Church. This is a scandal. It is the
non separation of the Leftist Vatican State with the leftist government of
Sergio Mattarella the President of Italy.
There will be a visitation of the religous community FSSP. It will be based upon Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. So the pope has not rejected these Church Documents. However the visitation will interpret these Church Documents irrationally to produce a non traditional conclusion.It will be the common foregn liberalism of the Church. I return to Tradition when I interpret these same Documents rationally.
So irrespective of what Congar, Rahner and Ratzinger did in 1965, when I interpret Vatican Council II rationally, it is a return to Tradition.
Irrespective of what Pope Francis says and does when I interpret these Documents rationally, it is a return to Tradition.It also makes the liberalism of the pope obsolete. Pope Francis' statement has no theological foundation in Vatican Council II, interpreted rationally and so honestly. -Lionel Andrades
Healing Prayer at Medugorje - 30/9/2024
Healing Prayer at Medugorje - 30/9/2024
https://video.marytv.tv/watch/mY5OISspwji?ctx=yDj3O1j6sO8%2CmP9bEiEsi5K
This was not known to Archbishop Carlo Vigano who presented his defense in the schism trial based upon Tradition, when the issue was Vatican Council II irrational and rational. Vatican Council II irrational makes Tradition obsolete. But Vatican Council II rational, his strong point, makes liberalism obsolete. So he had not to cite Archbishop Lefebvre but the posts on this blog
Pope Francis, in public, interprets Vatican Council II and the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms irrationally and the FSSP, SSPX, Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano and others follow him. They consider this apostolic and magisterial.
Since
I interpret Vatican Council II rationally, I have a different perspective. I
can see things differently. Our premise, inference and conclusion are
different.
Pope
Paul VI, Cardinal Ottaviani and Archbishop Lefebvre used the irrational premise
(invisible people are visible on earth). The rational premise is invisible people
are invisible on earth. So Lumen Gentium 16 etc refers to an invisible case in
1965-2024.
So
our inference must also be different since our premise is different. Lumen
Gentium 16 is not a break with the dogma EENS for me as it is for them. Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition for them but not for me. Our conclusions
are different.
This
is something which is there in public and can be verified by anyone interested.
This
was not known to Archbishop Carlo Vigano who presented his defense in the
schism trial based upon Tradition, when the issue was Vatican Council II
irrational and rational. Vatican Council II irrational makes Tradition obsolete.
But Vatican Council II rational, his strong point, makes liberalism obsolete.
So he had not to cite Archbishop Lefebvre but the posts on this blog. - Lionel Andrades
FEBRUARY 5, 2020
FALSE PREMISE, INFERENCE AND CONCLUSION (GRAPHICS)
NOVEMBER 2, 2016
When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism. When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.
AUGUST 22, 2021
The mainstream Church is liberal today because of the fake premise. Let them use a rational premise and the liberalism falls off from the whole Church
The mainstream Church is liberal today because of the fake premise. Let them use a rational premise and the liberalism falls off from the whole Church.
Fake premise
Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.
Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.
Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.
Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.
Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine
of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-
IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2021.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively invisible in 2021.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2021.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown cases in 2021.There is no personally known case.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is assuming others (in general) cannot see invisible cases in the present and the past.It is assuming that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown and invisible case in the present or past.
When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.
When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.Lionel Andrades
Lionel Andrades
Promotore dell'interpretazione di Lionel Andrades del Concilio Vaticano II. Per lui il Concilio è dogmatico e non solo pastorale.
Scrittore sulla scoperta delle due interpretazioni del Concilio Vaticano II, l'una razionale e l'altra irrazionale, si interpreta l'una con la falsa premessa e l'altra senza. Uno è Magistrale e l'altro, quello comune, è non Magistrale.
Lo stesso vale per i Credo ei Catechismi.
Ci possono essere due interpretazioni.
Perché i cattolici dovrebbero scegliere una versione irrazionale che è eretica, non tradizionale e scismatica, quando c'è un'opzione razionale che è tradizionale?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission )
E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com
AUGUST 4, 2021
Poland and Hungary need to adopt the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/poland-and-hungary-need-to-adopt-lionel.html
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The FSSP also has to clarify for the Ecclesia Dei communities and traditionalists that they consider the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, to be in heresy and schism, which is the normal outcome of using Vatican Council II , irrational.
The FSSP also has to clarify for the Ecclesia Dei communities and traditionalists that they consider the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, to be in heresy and schism, which is the normal outcome of using Vatican Council II , irrational.The understanding of the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms are changed. There is a break with the Magisterium before 1949.-1
Lionel Andrades
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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/09/lefebvrist-theology-is-sinking-ship.html
Vatican Council II, rational, was not known to Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Pope Paul VI. This is a new discovery of some 15 years.
Now with Vatican Council II, irrational, it is Tradition which is made obsolete.
So at any future schism-trial, traditionalists must defend themselves with Vatican Council II, rational. Vatican Council II, rational, was not known to Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Pope Paul VI. This is a new discovery of some 15 years. 1
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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/09/lefebvrist-theology-is-sinking-ship.html
Non Apostolic Visitation of the FSSP
Non
Apostolic Visitation of the FSSP
The
expected Vatican visitation of the FSSP, termed ‘an apostolic visitation’, is
not apostolic in the sense of doctrine and theology. Since the Apostles held
what would be termed by the secular media as ‘the strict interpretation’ of the
dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They believed that there was salvation in
only Jesus and the new Church, which he founded, as the Bible tells us. This
was the will of God. He had sent a Savior to expiate for the sins of the world
and so prevent souls from being lost to Satan in Hell, after the Fall.
The Church Fathers and Medieval popes, following the Apostles, affirmed the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be members of the Church for salvation. No exceptions are mentioned.But Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez, Prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican does not affirm the dogma EENS of the Fourth Lateran Council. For him there are objective exceptions in Vatican Council II, when the Council is interpreted irrationally, confusing what is invisible as being visible. He projects invisible cases of the baptism of desire as being objective exceptions for the Apostles and Church Fathers' concept of there being exclusive salvation in only Jesus and the Catholic Church, the One Mediator.
Since
Cardinal Fernandez accepts the irrational and nontraditional 1949 Letter of the
Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston, he interprets Vatican Council II with
the same irrationality. He also makes the same mistake in the interpretation
of the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms. This is a public error. It can be verified in public. This is not apostolic. This is not part of the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, the Four Marks of the Church mentioned in the Nicene Creed. - Lionel Andrades
The FSSP will have to deny Tradition since Vatican Council II irrational is a rupture with Tradition, it is not compatible
In the coming investigation of the FSSP the Vatican will be informed that 1 ) the FSSP accepts Pope Francis when he interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally and 2) the FSSP will continue to accept and interpret Vatican Council II irrationally, producing a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the Catechism of Pope Pius X, the Athanasius Creed etc. This will be seen as a rupture with Tradition and it will be expressed by the FSSP in their catechism classes for adults and children and First Holy Communion and Confirmation preparation. This obviously is not traditional.
The FSSP will have to deny Tradition since Vatican Council II irrational is a rupture with Tradition, it is not compatible.There are alleged 'objective exceptions' for the traditional ecclesiocentrism of the Church.- Lionel Andrades
Feast of St. Terese today
Today
is the feast of St. Terese of Liseux, saint of the Missions, traditional
mission based upon their being exclusive salvation in Jesus and only the
Catholic Church.
Terese’s
traditional missionary concept, like that of the missions in the Middle Ages,
is supported and not contradicted by Vatican Council II and the Catechism of
the Catholic Church, when they are interpreted rationally and not irrationally. They did not confuse invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as being physically visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church and so practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is the mistake of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican today. So it is not apostolic. - Lionel Andrades