Like the website Whispers of Restoration the Voice of the Family mentions the Baltimore Catechism without differentiating between Cushingism and Feeneyism.They also interpret all the Catechisms with Cushingism.So they maintain the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition

 

OCTOBER 22, 2020

Like the website Whispers of Restoration the Voice of the Family mentions the Baltimore Catechism without differentiating between Cushingism and Feeneyism.They also interpret all the Catechisms with Cushingism.So they maintain the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition

 Like the website Whispers of Restoration the Voice of the Family mentions the Baltimore Catechism without differentiating between Cushingism and Feeneyism.They also interpret all the Catechisms with Cushingism.So they maintain the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.

For me there is no rupture with the Athanasius Creed. When the Baltimore Catechism mentions the Baptism of Desire it does not contradict  the Athanasius Creed. For me EENS ha no objective exceptions . This I call Feeneyism.-Lionel Andrades

JANUARY 3, 2019

Peter Kwasniewski and Whispers of Restoration do not know how to handle it : they violate the Principle of Non Contradiction and are in a swamp

The apologists at the website Whispers of Restoration have not responded to so many posts on this blog and are now thinking of having a paid-employee. They will produce more of the same stuff as the Catholics who interpret magisterial documents with an irrational premise and inference and do not deny it.

KWASNIEWSKI MADE AN OBJECTIVE ERROR

For Peter Kwasniewski a professor of philosophy and theology,  whose articles are recommended by the young menbers at Whispers of Restoration, all that is important are the rubrics, vestments and rituals of the Latin Mass even if the theology and doctrines are heretical.This is also the understanding of the volunters at Whispers of Restoration(WR).

They have given us  a list of old Catechisms which is appreciated but they interpret these catechisms with the false premise and inference to create a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX on extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), an ecumenism of return etc.

INTERPRET POPES CONTRADICTING EACH OTHER
So they actually interpret the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation) as a rupture with EENS.They wrongly assume that the  baptism of desire(BOD),baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) are objective exceptions to EENS and the Catechism of Pope Pius X.

So the Catechism of Pope Pius X would be a rupture with the Syllabus fo Errors and also EENS as it was interpreted by the Magisterium in the Middle Ages.

In other words the traditionalists at the time of Pope Pius IX and Pope Pius X were contradicting themselves for Whispers of Restoration and Peter Kwasniewski.

NEW THEOLOGY OF THE TRADITIONALISTS

This is also the New Theology of Fr.John Zuhlsdorf, Chris Ferrara, Roberto dei Mattei, Joseph Shaw, John Lamont, Thomas Pink,Fr.Brian Harrison, the St.Benedict Centers, Rorate Caeli correspondents and the SSPX bishops and priests.It is the same for cardinals Kasper and Koch, Cardinal Ladaria and Archbishop Guido Pozzo.

It is with the false premise and inference that Peter Kwasniewski interprets Vatican Council II as a rupture with the past  and then rejects the Council.


AQUINAS CONTRADICTS HIMSELF FOR WR AND KWASNIEWSKI

Kwasniewski referred to as a Thomistic scholar, on the website 1Peter5, would interpret St. Thomas Aquinas like the liberals. Aquinas affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. However when he mentions the case of the man in the jungle living in ignorance or the catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it, he is referring to an allegedly known person saved outside the Church for Kwasniewski and the traditionalists. So what was hypothetical for Aquinas is a concrete exception to EENS for Kwasniewski.

This is also the false reasoning of the liberals and the faculty at the Franciscan University of Steubenville where Peter Kwasneiwski taught.He writes regularly for New Liturgical Movement, OnePeterFive, LifeSiteNews, and Rorate Caeli.1

OFFERS THE LATIN MASS WITH THE NEW ECCLESIOLOGY

He offers  Mass  in Latin while affirming the New ecclesiology based on BOD, BOB and I.I being exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.This is schism with the past popes who did not see BOD, BOB and I.I as being known people saved outside the Catholic Church.It was the liberal theologians who made this error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) and then repeated it at Vatican Council II.

POLITICALLY CORRECT ON EENS AND VATICAN COUNCIL II

So Kwasneiwski is politically correct with the Left,like other traditionalists, and will not interpret EENS like Fr.Leonard Feeney for whom BOD, BOB and I.I literally did not exist.

He is also politically correct with the Left on Vatican Council II. Since he interprets LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 as being exceptinos to EENS as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century. He had no criticism  when Cardinal Luiz Ladaria interpreted Lument Gentium 8 as an exception to the past exclusivist ecclesiology(Placquet Deo Press Conference). He also had no comment when Pope Benedict interpreted Vatican Council as a rupture with EENS(Avvenire,March 2016)





NO RESTORATION WITH HERESY AND CONFUSION

So it is no surprise that the young volunters at Whispers of Restoration are confused.They came to this good project with a lot of good will.

But Kwasniewski cannot help them and neither can Roberto Dei Mattei, Chris Ferrara or Steve Skoject. Since none of them want to affirm the taboo Feeneyite interpretation of EENS or my interpretation of Vatican Council II in harmony with Feeneyite EENS.

They are aware that the Catechisms contradict each other and there is doctrinal confusion.This would be normal since they are violating the Principle of Non Contradiction but it is politically correct with the Left and the Vatican. .-Lionel Andrades

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https://www.peterkwasniewski.com/about

AUGUST 9, 2018

Traditional Catechisms on Whispers of Restoration support the old exclusivist ecclesiology but the team at the website interpret these catechisms as a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors,EENS and the rest of Tradition

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/traditional-catechisms-on-website.html

• Whispers of Restoration (10)
• Whispers of Restoration(WR) (2)

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THURSDAY, AUGUST 9, 2018

Repost : No Restoration with Cushingism.Not possible : There is not going to be a Restoration with Cushingism.Mattei and Ferrara are part of the problem. So is Whispers of Restoration and 1Peter5

AUGUST 5, 2018

There is not going to be a Restoration with Cushingism.Mattei and Ferrara are part of the problem. So is Whispers of Restoration and 1Peter5

Whispers of Restoration should have an article on Vatican Council II( Feeneyite). I have said it a few times. There is no  comment from them.They are another traditionalist Cushingite website.They sell books written by Chris Ferrara and Roberto dei Mattei who base their understanding of Vatican Council II and EENS upon the  upon the heresy in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO).There is no comment coming from them or from others from the Lefbrivist school of traditionalists.A few years have pased and they have no opinion on this issue.

Can the baptism of desire have two interpretations? No answer.

Can there be two interpretations of Vatican Council II? No answer.

ONE WAY ONLY

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 has been teaching heresy when it says every one does not need to be a member of the Catholic Church, for salvation.Since the Letter reasons  wrongly that invisible and unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance are objective and practical exceptions to the de fide teaching, on all needing to be a member of the Church for salvation( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441).How can invisible cases of non Catholics be an an exception to traditional EENS according to the old catechisms? Yet this is how Ferrara and Mattei reason.So they have nothing to say. This is how they reasoned for 50 years.

They are not allowed to think in any other way.

1PETER5 SERVES ONLY CUSHINGISM

It's the same story on the website 1Peter5 and traditionalist bloggers.The only food they serve at their tables is Cushingite.No choice.They interpret all magisterial documents in only one way.

Someone said ,"This is what the Church teaches ".But the Church also supports Vatican Council II (Cushingite) so why do they reject it?

If they feel obliged to follow Pius XII they why not also John XXIII and Paul VI ?

The interpretation of Vatican Council II according to the Left and the present two popes is heretical.It is the same with EENS.

The website Whispers of Restoration presents itself as being traditionalist but they support the official and liberal heresy on salvation. If they avoid the LOHO mistake it's a new Vatican Council II.It would not be the traditionalism of Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX bishops who supported Cardinal Richard Cushing and Pope Pius XII.

The theology of the websites Whispers of Restoration and 1Peter5 is based on LOHO.It is irrational.They can allegedly see people in Heaven and on earth saved without the baptism of water.This is also the interpretation of the Masons.The LOHO mistake is used to create a rupture with Tradition(EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc).

We have to reject the second part of the LOHO, which is irrational and non traditional,and then we can have a traditional interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Today's 'traditionalists' are not really traditional especially the Lefebvrist school.Since they are in a rupture with the old ecclesiology of the Church which was Feeneyite and is expressed in the traditional Catechisms available on the website Whispers of Restoration.

They are in a rupture with EENS and the past ecclesiology since BOD,BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS for them.

FR.CEKADA POLITICALLY CORRECT
I think of Fr. Anthony Cekada who now knows that there are no known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I in the present times and there were none in the past.But he keeps repeating his old line on 'Feeneyism',since it is politically correct.He does not have it in him to apologize and correct himself and others on this issue.

If he announces that he has started to interpret Vatican Council II and EENS with Feeneyism, in which hypothetical cases are just hypothetical and not objective exceptions to EENS,  the Left may not allow him to teach.It is the same with Bishop Donald Sanborn who has politically correct articles on Feeneyism(according to the Left) on line.So their sedevacantist seminary and that of the 'Novus Ordo' seminaries in Florida,which they criticize  have the same Cushingite approach to Vatican Council II etc.There is no difference in theology, new doctrines and worldly prudence among both groups there.So they are given the mandatum to teach from the bishops and the local secular authorities.They have compromised on doctrine and theology in real life.

It was the same at the recent Lepanto FoundationConference in Rome when the New Theology was being criticized by the speakers, who in reality use the New Theology, Cushingism, to interpret Vatican Council II, the Catechisms and EENS.Roberto dei Mattei and John Lamont like Fr. Anthony Cekada remain politically correct with the Left.All is well. It is as if they use the LOHO mistake to stay alive.

Similarly it seems difficult for Louis Verrecchio to say that UR 3 in Vatican Council II refers to a hypothetical case.I e-mailed him the correction.This was not the first time. There is no comment from him, for or against. It's as if he does not understand.

UR 3 refers to a hypothetical and theoretical cases for us and not someone practically seen in Heaven, saved as a Protestant in his religion.What's so difficult to understand about this?
He will continue to interpret UR 3 as being a non Catholic who has been saved outside the Church and is known personally to him. So of course it becomes a rupture with the dogma EENS. 

Roberto dei Mattei and Chris Ferrara wrote books on Vatican Council II not knowing about the difference between Cushingism and Feeneyism( according to L.A) in the interpretation of the Council.The website Whispers of Restoration is promoting these books.

There is not going to be a Restoration with Cushingism. Mattei and Ferrara are part of the problem. So is Whispers of Restoration and1Peter5.

-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/10/like-website-whispers-of-restoration.html

 AUGUST 28, 2024

New Online Library: 1000 Years of Catechisms is flawed. Since it can be interpreted with Cushingism or Feeneyism, with the irrational premise or the rational premise and the conclusion is different

There can be two interpretations of the Catechisms.  

 So in the Catechism of Pope Pius X, 24Q (invincible ignorance) would contradict 27 Q and 29Q (other religions are not paths to salvation, outside the Church there is no salvation), for them- but not for me.

For them 29 Q would be a visible case of someone saved outside the Catholic Church but for me it is an invisible case. They are irrational and I am rational. For them the Catechism contradicts itself but for me there is no contradiction.

Similarly they would accept the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston which indicates that invisible cases of the baptism of desire are visible exceptions for Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Similarly Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance) and Lumen Gentium 14(being saved with the baptism of desire) would be exceptions for the dogma EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors for them - but not for me.

Since are premises are different are conclusions are different. For them invisible people are visible and for me they are invisible only.

For them invisible people are visible exceptions for the dogma EENS. For me invisible cases cannot be exceptions for the dogma EENS. 1

- Lionel Andrades

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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/08/archbishop-carlo-maria-vigano-cannot.html

Bishop Schneider Announced New Online Library: 1000 Years of Catechisms

Bishop Athanasius Schneider announced in an August 18 video the launch of a website called TradiVox.com.

CathVox.com would have been a much better name. It digitises and republishes dozens of historical catechisms written over the last 1000 years. The software works like a chatbot with AI. After entering a question, the user can choose which catechisms to consult for the answer.

https://www.tradivox.com/

Msgr. Schneider explained that the project demonstrates the continuity of Catholic teaching through time and is a tool for people seeking the truth.

CURRENT ENDORSEMENTS

Cardinals and Bishops of the Church around the world have praised our catechism collection:

Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke

Prefect Emeritus, Apostolic Signatura

How are they to believe in one of whom they have never heard?” (Rom 10:14). At the heart of the profound crisis of Faith, which we are witnessing in the Church today, is the lack of sound catechesis. In the same way, sound and faithful catechesis will be at the heart of the renewal of Our Holy Mother the Church. The Catholic Catechism Index does much to hasten that renewal by making readily accessible to all Catholics the many faithful catechisms which have provided an irreplaceable service to Our Lord’s Spotless Bride, the Church, throughout the Christian centuries. May God bless the work of Tradivox and make it redound to His glory and to the salvation of countless souls.

Gerhard Cardinal Müller

Prefect Emeritus, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

The Catholic Catechism Index makes crucial sources of the sacred tradition accessible to the contemporary reader and scholar. Intelligently and in a resourceful way, Tradivox presents ancient truths easily and in a user-friendly manner, especially to our young Catholic faithful who are often desirous of knowing the depths of the faith yet do not know where to start. Projects like this are invaluable for those studying, or otherwise interested in, Catholic theology, particularly today, at a time in which we often lack a good understanding of the continuity and stability of Catholic teaching. Without such understanding, our efforts of evangelization are shallow. I am very pleased to endorse this wonderful effort and wish it worldwide success.

George Cardinal Pell

Prefect Emeritus, Secretariat for the Economy

This collection of catechisms across the centuries known as Tradivox demonstrates the fidelity of the Catholic leadership as their bishops faithfully teach what Christ taught, preserved for us in the apostolic tradition, developing and representing this deposit of doctrine to answer new challenges and exploit new opportunities.

Full Endorsement

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Bishop Athanasius Schneider

Auxiliary Bishop, St. Mary's in Astana

This project will convincingly show the essentially unchanging nature of the apostolic doctrine across time and space, and so I invite the faithful of the entire world to support this historic effort, as we seek to restore the perennial Catechism of the Church. The project of a Catechism restoration on behalf of Tradivox will surely be of great benefit not only to many confused and disoriented Catholic faithful, but also to all people who are sincerely seeking the ultimate and authentic truth about God and man, which one can find only in the Catholic and Apostolic Faith, and which is the only religion and Faith willed by God and to which God calls all men.

Bishop Joseph Strickland

Bishop Emeritus of Tyler, Texas

Tradivox promises to be a treasury of truth and tradition that is desperately needed in the world today. We need to return to the basic sources of our beautiful traditions of Catholic Faith and make them accessible to this generation. Too much has been lost, diminished or ignored in the haze of modernity that is nearing a crescendo of darkness in these days. The documents that Tradivox will bring to light and re-introduce to the world give clear and steady answers to the questions of today. May many read and learn the Truth of God that guides us.

HISTORIC ENDORSEMENTS

Our catechisms have been hailed across hundreds of years, and thousands of miles:

Pope Leo XIII

Vicar of Christ

"[The Catechism of Trent] is remarkable at once for the richness and exactness of its doctrine, and for the elegance of its style; it is a precious summary of all theology, both dogmatic and moral. He who understands it well, will have always at his service those aids by which a priest is enabled to preach with fruit, to acquit himself worthily of the important ministry of the confessional and of the direction of souls, and will be in a position to refute the objections of unbelievers."

Abp. John Henni

Archbishop of Milwaukee

"Deharbe's Catechisms, both the larger and the smaller, have for a long time been in use in many schools of my diocese... It is, therefore, scarcely necessary for me to declare that the Catholic Catechism of Father Jos. Deharbe, S.J., has my fullest approval, and that I specially recommend the same in its newly revised form[.]"

Henry Cardinal Manning

Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster

"The Catechism of Frassinetti is a good example of what a Catechist may do... I therefore very heartily recommend the use of this Catechism to the Clergy and Faithful."

Abp. Thomas Grace

Titular Archbishop of Siunia

"An Explanation of the Baltimore Catechism supplies a want which is generally felt by the clergy and others engaged in teaching Catechism. Apart from the very satisfactory development of the answers to the questions and apt illustrations of the subjects treated, the additional questions inserted in your book give it a special value."

Bp. James Bayley

Bishop of Newark

"I am glad to hear that you intend to republish Perry's Instructions on the Catechism. It is an excellent little book. As a manual for catechists, or as a book of instruction, developing and explaining the Catechism, it is the best work of the sort I am acquainted with."

Francis Cardinal Bourne

Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster

"We cordially bless the second edition of this work [The Catechism Simply Explained], and trust that it will continue to do the good which has so largely resulted from it in the past."

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/08/bishop-schneider-announced-new-online.html