Yesterday I met another priest on the Via Venti Settembre. He was an American with the religious community Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest. He was here with a group of school students. He noticed my announcement on my coat 1 and the students would have seen the message on my back pack 2
He understood that the hypothetical (red) passages in Vatican Council II always referred to physically invisible people in the present times.
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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
"Outside the Church there is no salvation" 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
- Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
- Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848
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OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION
John 3:5,Mk.16:16
VATICAN COUNCIL II (AG 7,LG 14)
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ( 845, 846,1257 ETC). This is a DOGMA of the Church ( Fourth Lateran Council 1215, Council of Florence 1442). In Heaven there are only Catholics
( AG 7, CCC 846 etc)
CONTACT : Lionel Andrades. Blog: eucharistandmission
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IN HEAVEN THERE ARE ONLY CATHOLICS –
Vatican Council II, AG 7, LG 14)
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DECEMBER 16, 2023
The L.A interpretation of Vatican Council II was a discovery for a young priest on Thursday afternoon
The Lionel Andrades (L.A) interpretation of Vatican Council II was a discovery for a young priest on Thursday afternoon. He was sitting alone on a bench of an ice cream shop at the corner of Via 20 Settembre.He was waiting for someone. Then he saw the colorful image placed on the front of my coat, as a I walked past him. Here it is. 1
The Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 says outside the Church there is no salvation, I said. In Vatican Council II, Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation. So Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church have the same message as the old Church Councils at Florence (1442) and Fourth Lateran Council (1215). The old Councils issued the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation, I told him. So Vatican Council II has a continuity with the past. It is not a rupture.
He was attentive.
I then brought in 'the obstacles'. Lumen Gentium 16 tells us a person can be saved in invincible ignorance and Unitatitis Reditigratio 3 says even other Christians, in imperfect communion with the Church, must not be excluded from salvation... But Lumen Gentium 16 and Unitatitis Redintigratio 3 are always hypothetical and speculative only.They refer to physically invisibile people. There are no physically visible cases . If any one was saved as such it could only be known to God.
So throughout Vatican Council II we have the orthodox passages alongside the passages which refer to hypothetical cases.If the orthodox passages are marked in blue and the hypothetical passages marked in red, then the red is not an exception for the blue. So Vatican Council II is orthodox and coherent.
The orthodox (blue) passages have a continuity with the Magisterium over the centuries and the red passages are not an obstacle.
He was moved.
I could notice it in his voice.
He was really grateful and said , "Grazie" - with a smile.
I responded "Prego" and moved on.
He got the same insight which was given to me and it was not at the university.
One day- when I am dead, he will use this information to find new ways of being a pastor but which are really old.
He will learn that the Councils, Creeds and Catechisms, can be interpreted in two different ways and he can avoid the irrational common one. - Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/12/the-la-interpretation-of-vatican.html
SEPTEMBER 27, 2020
If a Protestant or evangelical is in Heaven, he is there as a Catholic, a Christian, with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church
If a Protestant or evangelical is in Heaven, he is there as a Catholic, a Christian, with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. - Lionel Andrades
FEBRUARY 15, 2020
It is the Catholic Church, in magisterial documents interpreted rationally, including Vatican Council II, which says outside the Church there is no salvation. I am simply repeating the pre and post Vatican Council II teaching of the Catholic Church.
We know that all the natives in the Americas were oriented to Hell before the missionaries went there since the norm for salvation after the Resurrection of Jesus, was faith and baptism and not invincible ignorance.We know that all non Catholics today are oriented to Hell since they die outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism.There can be no exceptions known to us.
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MARCH 1, 2019
Catechism of the Catholic Church supports Fr. Leonard Feeney on EENS: Magisterial texts including Vatican Council II say there are only Catholics in Heaven
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MARCH 14, 2019
In Heaven there are only Catholics is the teaching of the Catholic Church today in its magisterial documents including Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
SATURDAY, JANUARY 6, 2018
'He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.'
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/for-god-so-loved-world-as-to-give-his.html
For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting. For God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world, but that the world may be saved by him. He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the judgment: because the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light: for their works were evil. For every one that doth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved.-John 3:16-20
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/the-invisible-factor.html
DECEMBER 29, 2017
DECEMBER 28, 2017
Only The Catholic Church - 1
Only the Catholic Church -2
It is important that Catholics go on Mission to proclaim the Good News of salvation in Jesus Christ through the Catholic Church outside of which there is no salvation and every one needs to be a member in order to go to Heaven and avoid the fires of Hell.So meet people and tell them they must be Catholics since this is the teaching of Jesus in the Bible.This was the teachings of the popes and and saints and this is also the teaching of Vatican Council II(AG 7, LG 14) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1257,845,846 etc).
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Tell your friends and relatives to read Vatican Council II in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) as it has been known to the missionaries and magisterium of the 16th century.Do not interpret Vatican Council II like those Catholics now working for Satan.Vatican Council II really says all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7). All.Everyone. All need to be members of the Church by living the faith and moral teachings and being baptized with water.
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Go out on Mission from door to door, do Street Evangelisation,proclaim the Faith, follow the Great Commission,Jesus gave you.Tell people they must repent, ask Jesus for forgiveness and go for Confession if they are Catholics.Tell them to repent and change their life style of sin and get baptized in the Catholic Church if they are not Catholics.Tell them to accept the popes and follow their teachings if they are in harmony with Tradition and the other popes.Tell them even if a pope is a heretic or a bad example as a heretical pope , outside the Church there is no salvation and Jesus is present in the Eucharist as a person in his true Divinity.Tell them that the Mass is the Supreme Sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross, re-enacted in an un-bloody way.Tel them to get baptized with water immediately and to follow Jesus by reading the Bible daily. Tell them to attend Mass daily and go for Confession if they have committed mortal sins.
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Tell them Our Lady is stronger than Satan and she is bringing millions of people, including many Catholics too, back to Jesus. She is presently speaking to people through locutions or appearing to them in visions or dreams.Since she does not want any of her children going to Hell where there is fire and the presence of demons and other entities, for all eternity.
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Wear an Only the Catholic Church or Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus badge on your coat lapel so that people can identify you and ask you for information about the Catholic Church.Tell them it is important to be a Catholic to go to Heaven and in Heaven there are only Catholics (Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II).Tell them most people go to Hell since they die without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).Tell them Catholics are the new people of God, the new Chosen People(Nostra Aetate 4,Vatican Council II) and all must follow the Jewish Messiah,foretold by the Jewish prophets.The Catholic Church is the continuation of the Jewish religion.
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Tell them that if someone does not know Jesus in the Catholic Church and believes in Him, repents and changes his life style, even if he is not a Catholic he can be saved.But if he continues to live then he must join the Catholic Church and live its traditional teachings.Since in only the Catholic Church is there salvation.Jesus founded only one Church. Jews, Muslims,Protestants,Orthodox Christians, among others, are on the way to Hell unless they join the Catholic Church.John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Matthew 7:13.
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Please make this message on Only the Catholic Church known to others, since it is in agreement with the authentic Magisterium of the Church, over the centuries, and is in harmony with Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994).They are in harmony with the past magisterial teachings of the Catholic Church.Understand this. Learn this and then proclaim it to others as your Catholic Faith.This is not the property or originality of any particular person.There is no ownership or leadership for Only the Catholic Church. Since nothing new is being taught here.
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Begin your Only the Catholic Church group or chapter wherever you are and make sure that all Catholics know precisely, the Church's teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church only.There is no change in the Church's teachings today as compared to the time of the Jesuits of the Middle Ages.Put advertisements in the your local Church and secular newspapers.Invite people to learn more about the Catholic Faith,not necessarily in harmony with the present pope but always faithful to the magisterial documents (Vatican Council II, Catechism of the Catholic Church etc).
Only the Catholic Church -10We are a lay Movement which draws its strength from the never-ever changing teachings of the Catholic Church.Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow(Heb.13:8).We do not ask for an Imprimatur or permission from the local bishop. Since he may not want to affirm the Catholic Faith as directly as we do, and put his Office in an hostile political environment.If he supports us we accept this support.We work for the good of Catholics and non-Catholics, in charity and social projects done for the love of Jesus, but always proclaiming the necessity of faithfulness to the teachings of the Catholic Church which is the only Church Jesus founded outside of which there is no salvation.
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Our Mission is Eucharistic as Catholics.I am reminded of St.Maria Raffaella , and her religious community,Ancelle di Sacro Cuor di Gesu whose church I frequent in Rome. Then there is also the new saint Manuel Gonzalez Garcia,founder of the Eucharistic Missionaries of Nazareth The Eucharist is central to this mission.This is how it was also with St.Peter Julian Eymard the saint of the Eucharist.These saints were aware of Jesus' Presence in the Eucharist and they lived their life. So it was a natural Eucharistic Evangelisation for them.In the future the Church may not be in the present form we see it but we will still have the Eucharistic Jesus with us in private and underground and mission will continue, we will show our love for the Eucharist, Jesus present in our midst.
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We are not traditionalists who only attend the Traditional Latin Mass, we are present at all Catholic rites and liturgies.Even at Mass in the vernacular,in our own language, we can proclaim outside the Church there is no known salvation and there are no known exceptions in the present times.So we support the Traditionalists and the lay Movements like the Focolares, Neo-Catechumenale Way,Communion and Liberation and the Catholic Charismatic Renewal.All of us can follow the magisterial teachings of the Church in harmony with the authentic magisterial interpretation of the centuries, which were guided by the Holy Spirit.So the understanding of Church, what makes Church, what is Church, is the same before and after Vatican Council II.Outside the Church there is no salvation.Everyone needs to have his name on the Parish Baptismal Register to go to Heaven, there are only Catholics in Heaven who are there with Catholic faith and the baptism of water. Since this is our priority for saving souls from Hell, we proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and the non separation of Church and State.Our Catholic Movement is Eucharistic.-L.A_____________________________
DECEMBER 21, 2017It does not have to be either the baptism of desire or extra ecclesiam nulla salus : Just one Religious Superior is needed to understand and affirm this and we will have changed the Church http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/it-does-not-have-to-be-either-baptism_92.html
DECEMBER 31, 2017
Visiting Rome, interested in Street Evangelisation ? : Let's walk together, only in the Catholic Church
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 2019
In Heaven there are only Catholics for Diane Montagna and Fr. John Zuhlsdorf ?
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FEBRUARY 6, 2019
Diane Montagna does not qualify if invincible ignorance is an exception to Ad Gentes 7 saying all need faith and baptism for salvation
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/diane-montagna-does-not-qualify-if.html
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FEBRUARY 5, 2019
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/catholic-media-does-not-say-that.html
FEBRUARY 1, 2019
Pope John Paul rejected a Christian theology of religious pluralism and salvation and now Pope Francis has promoted it at the CDF-FABC conference with Asian Bishops held in Thailand last month.
http://www.infoans.org/en/sections/news/item/6772-myanmar-cardinal-bo-sdb-new-president-of-federation-of-asia-episcopal-conferences
http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2019/01/18/0039/00095.html#en
THURSDAY, JANUARY 31, 2019
How can we legally not be Catholic( for the leftist CDF) and still support traditional Catholic mission?
So there is no change in magisterial documents.There is no new revelation in Vatican Council II when the red is not an exception to theblue.
JANUARY 28, 2019
In Magisterial documents the red is not an exception to the blue, thered does not contradict the blue : with the blue there is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition (16th - century extra ecclesium nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, past exclusivist ecclesiology etc)
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/in-magisterial-documents-red-is-not.html
TUESDAY, JANUARY 29, 2019
Pope Francis' ecumenism and inter-religious dialogue, like that of popes Benedict, John Paul II and Paul VI, is based on 'the red being an exception to the blue'.This is the new theology also used by the CMRI in the Diocese of Manchester
But for the ecclesiastics at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) and the CMRI and the SSPX it is the opposite.These traditionalists use the New Theology, of the liberals.
- Lionel Andrades' Catholic beliefs (7)
- Lionel Andrades' description of Feeneyism and Cushingism (5)
- Lionel Andrades' intepretation of Vatican Council II and Extra ecclesiam nulla salus (14)
- Lionel Andrades' interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS (8)
- Lionel Andrades' interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS : Questions and Answers (6)
- Questions and Answers (1)
- Questions and Answers : Did the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 make a factual mistake ? (7)
- Questions and Answers : Evangelising with Vatican Council II (2)
- Questions and Answers : Vatican Council II affirms the Social Kingship of Christ the King (4)
- Questions and Answers : Vatican Council II is Feeneyite. It has an exclusivist ecclesiology (23)
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