THREE COMMON SENSE POINTS TO USE AGAINST PROPAGANDA AGAINST THE CHURCH - WIKIPEDIA AND FR.WILLIAM MOST

1. There is no way that we can know of a particular person saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire because of its very nature. It is known only to God.

2. There is no text in Vatican Council II or the Catechism which claims we know of any such case.

3. So Vatican Council II and the Catechism do not contradict the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.-The Three Common Sense Points

1. Wikipedia

Now apply these principles to the leftist propaganda on Wikipedia (access: extra ecclesiam nulla salus in English).

Wikipedia states :

The Roman Catholic Church also teaches that the doctrine does not mean that everyone who is not visibly within the Church is necessarily damned.

The Church's understanding of the significance of the phrase: "Outside the Church there is no salvation" is expressed in its Catechism of the Catholic Church, 846-848, 851

This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and His Church:

"Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience — those too may achieve eternal salvation" (Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, 16).

-Wikipedia, extra ecclesiam nulla salus

Apply the three common sense points.

1. There is no way that we can know of a particular person saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire because of its very nature. It is known only to God.

2. There is no text in Vatican Council II or the Catechism (including those cited by Wikipedia) which claims we know of any such case.

3. So Vatican Council II and the Catechism do not contradict the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The baptism of desire is a gift of God. We cannot claim that someone has received the Baptism of Desire this month. We cannot claim to know the Mind of God.

So when Wikipedia writes :' The Roman Catholic Church also teaches that the doctrine does not mean that everyone who is not visibly within the Church is necessarily damned', it is ambigous.This statment lends itself to error. Since we do not know of a single case of someone being saved in the present times, there is no Church text which says so and the Magisterium teaching, the infallible  dogma says every one needs to be a formal member of the Church. 

 

Here are the External Links provided by Wikipedia.
 

• Without the Church There Is No Salvation Catholic Education Resource Center (denies the dogma and cites Vatican Council II ).

• Church Fathers on Salvation Outside the Church (affirms the dogma and does not quote Vatican Council II and the Catechism)

• Can Non-Christians Be Saved? by Kenneth J. Howell. - Catholic Answers (written in an ambiguous style)

• Declaration of the Holy See under Pope Pius XII on the meaning of the teaching, 8 August 1949 (affirms the dogma and calls it the 'infallible' teaching)

• Pope John Paul II, General Audience, 31 May 1995 (affirms the necessity of the Church but is written in an ambiguous style).

2. Fr.William Most 

Now analyse the report placed on the Internet, The Tragic Errors of Fr. Leonard Feeney by the late Fr. William Most.The Church Fathers and Vatican Council II are  quoted to cite cases of invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire.

Apply the three common sense points.   

        

1. There is no way that we can know of a particular person saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire because of its very nature. It is known only to God.

2. There is no text in Vatican Council II or the Catechism of the Catholic Church (or the Church Fathers including those cited by Fr. William Most) which claims we know of any such case.

3. So Vatican Council II and the Catechism do not contradict the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Observe the common error.They postulate that since it is possible to be saved in invincible ignorance we know of such cases in real life. Then they assume this contradicts the dogma which says everyone needs to enter the Church for salvation.

Certainly, the condition "inculpably ignorant" cannot be verified nor weighed by human evaluation, but must be left to the divine judgment alone.

- Pope John Paul II,

All Salvation Comes through Christ,General Audience  May 31, 1995

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1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.

2.“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS

http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholicchurch.blogspot.com/

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MARY ANN KREITZER EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS LINKED TO ABORTION AND PAEDOPHILE PRIESTS

Mary Ann Kreitzer has commented on this blog on the post ‘Cardinal Bernard law calls for an ecumenism of return’.

I appreciate her work as an American pro-life activist and her expose of how the Church Collection Fund was being given by the USCCB (US Conference of Bishops) to Saul Alinsky’s leftist projects.

I wish Mary Ann Kreizer could affirm the ex cathedra dogma which is directly linked to these two issues , abortion and funding for persons who do not affirm Catholic teachings.

Could she begin by saying publicly that the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the church there is no salvation) means everyone with no exception needs to be a formal member of the Catholic Church for salvation ?

 1. If someone objects and says Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for saying this, point out:

a. How can a Letter of the Holy Office (CDF), Vatican supersede an ex cathedra dogma?

b. .There is no Church document which states he was excommunicated for heresy. The Letter of the Holy Office/Denzinger refers only to disobedience.

2. If someone objects that Lumen Gentium 14, indicates a person can be saved in invincible ignorance, who is not formally a member of the Church then respond: Lumen Gentium 14 only mentions the possibility of someone being saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience. We accept this in principle as a concept. De jure.

De facto we cannot know any case. None of us knows of any case of a person being saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience.

So de facto LG 16 does not contradict the dogma that everyone needs to be a formal member of the Church for salvation and there are no exceptions.

There is so much disinformation on this subject (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) on Wikipedia. I wish Mary Ann Kreitzer could clarify for them the actual church teaching.

The Roman Catholic Church also teaches that the doctrine does not mean that everyone who is not visibly within the Church is necessarily damned -Wikipedia

Catholic interpretation

The Church's understanding of the significance of the phrase: "Outside the Church there is no salvation" is expressed in its Catechism of the Catholic Church, 846-848, 851 as follows- Wikipedia

The disinformation is also being spread by Catholic Culture’s Jeffrey Mirus which should make one wonder why Catholics are encouraged to fund Catholic Culture.

Jeffrey Mirus’ Trinity Communications has placed on the internet an article TRAGIC ERRORS OF LEONARD FEENEY by Fr. William Most. (Check Google :  Access Fr. Leonard Feeney)

1. It suggests that we know and can know cases of people saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire and this was expressed in Vatican Council II. There is no such text.

2. It indicates that since we know of people saved in invincible ignorance etc it is a negation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

3. Mirus assumes he is correct since he is supported by the Jewish Left, especially their media, and recently Pope Benedict XVI in the book Light to the World-conversations with Peter Seewald. Yet this is heresy according to the magisterial documents of Pope John Paul II (Dominus Iesus 20, Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846 etc).

I wish Mary Ann Kreizer could write to Jeffery Mirus, EWTN,USCCB and ask them if they  really  know partiuclar  cases of people saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire or a good conscience ?

The Letter of the Holy Office (1949) to the Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Richard Cushing relative to Fr.Leonard Feeney mentions ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible’ teaching.

Here is that ex cathedra dogma,

1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.


2.“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org

The three Councils assumed that if there was anyone in invincible ignorance etc it would be known only to God.

Yet in Mary Ann Kreitzers archdiocese, Cardinal Donald Wuerl was on the USCCB Doctrine Committee which issued a Notification on Fr. Peter Phan. It said everyone needs to enter the Church except for those in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire etc.

The USCCB’s ‘Except for …’ is a straw man, a decoy, it’s the denial of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

If Catholics can be excused for not believing in an ex cathedra dogma then why should they be expected to affirm Church teachings on abortion, homosexuality, paedophile…?

If Jeffrey Mirus will not affirm the ex cathedra dogma in public, with  its ‘rigorist interpretation’ of outside the church there is no salvation, is he not in mortal sin?

Fr.Tissa Balasuriya OMI was excommunicated for denying the
dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady are not Mirus and the pope automatically excommunicated?

Is not Mirus in public mortal sin?

Is not the Holy Father in mortal sin when he tells Seewald that Jews do not have to convert in the present times?

If we can make exceptions for Mirus and the pope, can we not do so also for pedophile priests, for abortion....?

Should Catholics end donations to Jeffrey Mirus or to Peter’s pence?

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Mary Ann Kreitzer has a bachelor's degree in English from Trinity College in Washington, D.C., and a master's degree in Public Administration from George Washington University. As a certified instructor of Natural Family Planning, she taught NFP for 15 years at Providence Hospital in Washington, D.C. She is the president of both Les Femmes and The Catholic Media Coalition organizations dedicated to promoting and defending authentic Catholic faith and culture.

Mrs. Kreitzer is active in Church and community affairs and promotes full-time motherhood as an essential and irreplaceable vocation. She especially values time spent with her five children, their spouses, and her 18 grandchildren. She writes from the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia on pro-life, pro-family, and Church issues.

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SSPX, DICI IGNORE POPE’S COMMENT ON ‘ONE WAY OF SALVATION’ AND JEWS DO NOT CONVERT IN PRESENT TIMES

Traditionalist priests part of the confusion, fallen for ‘invincible ignorance, baptism of desire’ virus

The SSPX (Society of St.Pius X) newsletter has continued for the second edition too to mention the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s comment on condoms with reference to the pope’s remarks in the book Light to the World-Conversations with Peter Seewald. However their newsletter DICI and other publications have stayed cleared of the pope’s comment that there is only 'one way of salvation.'What does Pope Benedict XVI and the SSPX mean by this one way of salvation ?

They mean  there are people who can be saved in invincible ignorance or with the baptism of desire even though they are not visible, to us, as members of the Catholic Church.

We don’t know of a single case of a person being saved with the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance. So how can you postulate a theology claiming there are such cases in the present times, worse still, that you know of them.

The teaching extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the extra ordinary Magisterium of three popes and Councils, and the ordinary Magisterium of many popes does not mention cases of invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire as exceptions. It is assumed that only God will know of these cases.

The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the church there is no salvation) says there is only one way of salvation and every one needs to enter the Church formally, to be saved.

The pope and the SSPX say there is only one way of salvation and  the pope implies that Jews are saved in general through this one way and so they do not have to convert.

The SSPX ‘s position is full of confusion since they also believe all Jews need to convert in the present times.

A Fr. Cedraka is on line who considers it a mortal sin to affirm the rigorist interpretation of the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus since it does not take into account persons in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire. When asked for explanations he does not respond and the traditionalist forum, Fisheaters, of which he is a member will not discuss this  subject.Since they also assume that we know who in particular is saved in invincible ignorance etc and so to affirm the rigorist interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus is heresy!

Pages 217-218: “This is then what Pius IX said and what he condemned. It is necessary to understand the formulation that was so often employed by the Fathers of the Church: ‘Outside the Church there is no salvation.’ When we say that, it is incorrectly believed that we think that all the Protestants, all the Moslems, all the Buddhists, all those who do not publicly belong to the Catholic Church go to hell. Now, I repeat, it is possible for someone to be saved in these religions, but they are saved by the Church, and so the formulation is true: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus. This must be preached.”[Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Against the Heresies, pp. 217-218] (Emphasis added)

‘it is possible for someone to be saved in these religions, but they are saved by the Church’

There are two SSPX camps. One says

1.Every one needs to enter the Church except for those in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire and other such cases of which we know of personally.

The other says :

2. Everyone needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation and there are no exceptions. Those in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire etc are known only to God.

Camp 1 says baptism of desire etc are defacto known to us. Camp 2 says baptism of desire etc is only accepted in principle (de jure). De facto we do not know any case.

So with so much of confusion among the SSPX it is no surprise that they have remained silent over the one way of salvation heresy, which negates an ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Pope John Paul II ‘s Dominus Iesus 20.

SSPX priests who understand the situation do not know a way out. They realize there can be no such thing as an explicit or implicit baptism of desire that we can know of. Yet they need to be faithful to the misinterpretation of the teachings of Archbishop Lefebvre on this subject.DICI is silent over the pope’s comment since they are not sure of themselves.

It is the SSPX priests who have interpreted Archbishop Lefebvre using the same liberal mantra ‘everybody needs to enter the Catholic Church except for those in invincible ignorance etc... .’ now being used by the pope .

This is heresy. 1) It is implying that we can know people in genuine invincible ignorance etc and they are exceptions to everybody needing to explicitly enter the Church.(ex cathedra dogma) 2) It is irrational. No SSPX priest knows a single case of explicit or implicit baptism of desire. How can he ever claim anyone is an exception? And if he does not know any exceptions in particular why mention it?

When an SSPX priest agrees that there is no external-seeable baptism of desire (explicit) that anyone of us can know he is in agreement with the communities of Fr. Leonard Feeney. He is saying the same thing. There is no baptism of desire (external or implicitly knowable).Implciitly it can exist. Explicilty it is unknown to us.

When an SSPX priest realizes that the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance can only be a concept we accept in principle (as Abp. Lefebvre in the passage quoted above) then he is saying the same as the Saint Benedict Centre, (SBC) New Hampshire and the Sisters of St. Benedict Centre, Worcester,USA, communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney approved by the Church. The SBC has posted a definition of the baptism of desire on their website (Catholicism.org). So the SBC states there is a baptism of desire as a concept. So how can Fr.Cedraka, Fr.Scott and Fr.Laisney of the SSPX  claim on line that the supporters of Fr.Leonard Feeney are in heresy?

On the issue of there being no explicit or implicit baptism of desire that we can know of, some of the SSPX members and the communities of Fr. Leonard Feeney are in agreement.

On the issue of the ex cathedra dogma saying there are no exceptions to everyone needing to enter the Church with no exception , Archbishop Lefebvre is in accord with Fr. Leonard Feeney.

If the SSPX does not interpret Lumen Gentium 16,Vatican Council II  as referring to de jure, implicit salvation, then it is the Kung Deception. If they interpret Lumen Gentium 16 as referring to something defacto-personally-knowable then it is heresy.

If they do not see the Baptism of Desire as implicit then they would contradict the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The dogma refers to explicit entry into the Catholic Church, through the baptism of water and Catholic Faith, which is explicit and objectively verifiable.

Here is the ex cathedra dogma.

The dogma like Ad Gentes 7 does not say that there is only one way of salvation and Jews do not have to enter the Church in the present times for salvation; to avoid Hell. The dogma like John 3:5, John 6, Mark 16:16 says that Jews need to convert in the present times to avoid Hell.

1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex Cathedra
2. “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 302.). Ex Cathedra
3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex Cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS: http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholicchurch.blogspot.com/ )

CARDINAL BERNARD LAW CALLS FOR AN ECUMENISM OF RETURN

Cardinal Bernard Law yesterday Sunday (Jan.23, 2011) prayed for Christian unity and that all Christians may be united in the Catholic Church, the unique Church of Christ.

He delivered this message at the conclusion of his homily yesterday morning at the solemn Mass in Latin held at St. Mary Majors, Rome.

It may be mentioned that according to Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church all Christians, non Catholics, need to enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

The infallible teaching extra ecclesiam nulla salus also indicates all Protestants, Orthodox Christians, Messianic Jews and Jehovahs Witnesses are oriented to Hell which has fire

Therefore, all (Protestants, Orthodox Christians etc) must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church (which requires Catholic Faith missing among other Christians) which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith (Catholic Faith which Christians do not have) and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, (given to adults with Catholic Faith ) as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II

Therefore those men cannot be saved, (they are on the way to Hell with fire) who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, (they know about the Church and we assume if they have a good conscience the Holy Spirit is inspiring them to join it) still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." (They would include Christians participating in ecumenical programs this week) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), (People who are known only to God and unknown to us) yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. (A Gospel which says Jesus’ Sacrifice was for all ; that all may be saved from Hell who believe in Him and enter the Church He founded, through Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water) and hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.- Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II

Vatican Council II is saying they all need to be one in the Catholic Church for salvation.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church has the same message.

To reunite all his children, (Protestants, Orthodox Christians, Messianic Jews etc ) scattered and led astray by sin, (rebellion, schism and ignorance) the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.-Catechism of the Catholic Church n.845 Catechism of the Catholic Church

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. (This is an ecumenism of return to the Catholic Church for salvation) Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 (Note : ‘which men through Baptism as through a door’ was a term used by the Church Fathers for the rigorist interpretation of outside the church there is no salvation).

The Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II are not just saying that they all may be one in the Catholic Church but that it is also necessary to avoid Hell.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/01/cardinal-bernard-law-calls-for.html

There is no doubt that the Holy Spirit is active in this endeavour and that he is leading the Church to the full realization of the Father's plan, in conformity with the will of Christ. This will was expressed with heartfelt urgency in the prayer which, according to the Fourth Gospel, he uttered at the moment when he entered upon the saving mystery of his Passover. Just as he did then, today too Christ calls everyone to renew their commitment to work for full and visible communion.- Pope John Paul II, UtUnum Sint N.100.

97. The Catholic Church, both in her praxis and in her solemn documents, holds that the communion of the particular Churches with the Church of Rome, and of their Bishops with the Bishop of Rome, is—in God's plan—an essential requisite of full and visible communion. Indeed full communion, of which the Eucharist is the highest sacramental manifestation, needs to be visibly expressed in a ministry in which all the Bishops recognize that they are united in Christ and all the faithful find confirmation for their faith. The first part of the Acts of the Apostles presents Peter as the one who speaks in the name of the apostolic group and who serves the unity of the community—all the while respecting the authority of James, the head of the Church in Jerusalem. This function of Peter must continue in the Church so that under her sole Head, who is Jesus Christ, she may be visibly present in the world as the communion of all his disciples.-Ut Unum Sint 97 (Emphasis added).

Pope John Paul II in Ut Unum Sint shows us that the Catholic Church only knows of an ecumenism of return.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/01/cardinal-bernard-law-calls-for.html

Mordechay Lewy, ambasciatore dell'Israele al Santa Sede ripete la falsità sionistica: reclami che il Concilio Vaticano II dice, che gli ebrei sono le popolo eletto di Dio: Nessun tale testo in Concilio

Cattolici bisogna protestare fuori delle ambasciate israeliane con cartelli ‘Smetta di storcere la nostra fede Cattolica, ‘Smetta di malignare sulla nostra fede’, ‘Non ce Nostra Aetate senza Ad Gentes’, 'AD GENTES 7 INDICA CHE I CATTOLICI SONO  POPOLO ELETTO DI DIO’

L’ambasciatore dell’Israele al Santa Sede ha continuato a ripetere la propaganda sionistica circa Concilio Vaticano II e come di consueto non citando alcun testo nei documenti del Consiglio. ADL, Lega Antidiffamazione rende alla stessa falsa dichiarazione circa il Concilio Vaticano II sul sito web (Interfaith, Catholics Urged: Reject Anti-Jewish Teaching ).

Mordechay Lewy, Israells ambassador to the Holy See, described Bustros remarks as “returning to successionist theology, contradicting Second Vatican Council teaching and Pope Benedict himself—who has welcomed the return of Jews to their ancient homeland.”…Spero News

http://www.speroforum.com/a/42348/Melkite-Catholic-bishop-riles-JewishCatholic-relations   

Il Concilio Vaticano II non dice dovunque che i sionisti o gli ebrei sono popolo eletto di Dio. Invece il testo del Concilio Vaticano II indica che tutti gli ebrei e sionisti, necessità di entrare nella chiesa cattolica per essere fra il popolo eletto do Dio.

È dunque necessario che tutti si convertano al Cristo conosciuto attraverso la predicazione della Chiesa, ed a lui e alla Chiesa, suo corpo, siano incorporati attraverso il battesimo (39). Cristo stesso infatti, « ribadendo espressamente la necessità della fede e del battesimo (cfr. Mc 16,16; Gv 3,5), ha confermato simultaneamente la necessità della Chiesa, nella quale gli uomini entrano, per così dire, attraverso la porta del battesimo.-Ad Gentes 7

1. Tutti non cattolici senza eccezione sono sul percorso ad inferno (Concilio Vaticano II, Ad Gentes 7).



2. Tutto senza eccezione deve entrare nella chiesa cattolica, per evitare l'inferno ed andare a cielo. (Concilio Vaticano II , pre and post Concilio Vaticano II Magistero documenti fino a Papa Giovanni Paulo II )

Indù, ebrei, musulmani, protestanti, ortodossi, pentecostali ed altri sul senso ad inferno se non prima che muoiano entrino nella chiesa cattolica, l'unica chiesa Gesù ( Ad Gentes 7, CCC 845, 846, Dominus Iesus 20 ecc). La bibbia afferma che gli ebrei ed i non ebrei devono entrare nella chiesa cattolica per evitare l'inferno. Qui è l’ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus .

1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.

2. “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.

3. “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS

Venerabile Papa Pio XII , quale il Papa Benedetto XVI vuole beatificare nonostante l'opposizione dall'Israele, ha denominato l'ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus un insegnamento ‘infallibile’. Così i Cattolici devono protestare fuori delle ambasciate israeliane, quando la sionista posizione politica Concilio Vaticano II è proiettata senza i testi sostenenti dal Concilio .Loro sta ripetendo questa falsità con i loro mezzi per molto tempo.

PRAYER FOR CHRISTIAN UNITY WEEK: VATICAN COUNCIL II ASKS THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. SO DOES THE CATECHISM

The infallible teaching extra ecclesiam nulla salus indicates all Protestants, Orthodox Christians, Messianic Jews and Jehovahs Witnesses are oriented to Hell which has fire

Yesterday evening at Mass the priest prayed that all Christians may be one in Jesus Christ.

I remained silent and did not respond.They all already believe in Jesus Christ, from the Lutherans to the Jehovahs Witnesses.

Therefore, all (Protestants, Orthodox Christians etc) must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church (which requires Catholic Faith missing among other Christians) which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith (Catholic Faith which Christians do not have) and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, (given to adults with Catholic Faith ) as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II

Therefore those men cannot be saved, (they are on the way to Hell with fire) who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, (they know about the Church and we assume if they have a good conscience the Holy Spirit is inspiring them to join it) still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." (They would include Christians participating in ecumenical programs this week) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), (People who are known only to God and unknown to us) yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. (A Gospel which says Jesus’ Sacrifice was for all ; that all may be saved from Hell who believe in Him and enter the Church He founded, through Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water) and hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.- Ad  Gentes 7,Vatican Council II

Vatican Council II is saying they all need to be one in the Catholic Church for salvation.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church has the same message.

To reunite all his children, (Protestants, Orthodox Christians, Messianic Jews etc ) scattered and led astray by sin, (rebellion, schism and ignorance) the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.-Catechism of the Catholic Church n.845 Catechism of the Catholic Church

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. (This is an ecumenism of return to the Catholic Church for salvation) Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 (Note : ‘which men through Baptism as through a door’ was a term used by the Church Fathers for the rigorist interpretation of outside the church there is no salvation).

The Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II are not just saying that they all may be one in the Catholic Church but that it is also necessary to avoid Hell.

There is no doubt that the Holy Spirit is active in this endeavour and that he is leading the Church to the full realization of the Father's plan, in conformity with the will of Christ. This will was expressed with heartfelt urgency in the prayer which, according to the Fourth Gospel, he uttered at the moment when he entered upon the saving mystery of his Passover. Just as he did then, today too Christ calls everyone to renew their commitment to work for full and visible communion.- Pope John Paul II, UtUnum Sint N.100.

97. The Catholic Church, both in her praxis and in her solemn documents, holds that the communion of the particular Churches with the Church of Rome, and of their Bishops with the Bishop of Rome, is—in God's plan—an essential requisite of full and visible communion. Indeed full communion, of which the Eucharist is the highest sacramental manifestation, needs to be visibly expressed in a ministry in which all the Bishops recognize that they are united in Christ and all the faithful find confirmation for their faith. The first part of the Acts of the Apostles presents Peter as the one who speaks in the name of the apostolic group and who serves the unity of the community—all the while respecting the authority of James, the head of the Church in Jerusalem. This function of Peter must continue in the Church so that under her sole Head, who is Jesus Christ, she may be visibly present in the world as the communion of all his disciples.-Ut Unum Sint 97 (Emphasis added).

Pope  John Paul II in Ut Unum Sint shows that the Catholic Church only knows of an ecumenism of return.

BLASPHEMOUS TALMUD IS TO BE TRANSLATED INTO ITALIAN : PROTOCOL TO BE SIGNED TOMORROW BY ITALIAN GOVERNMENT

The Talmud according to the daily Avvenire (20.01.2011) is to be translated into Italian for the first time. A protocol of understanding will be signed tomorrow Friday  it is reported, at the Palazzo Chigi, seat of the Italian government of the Prime Minister of Italy Silvio Berlusconi. It will be signed by the Italian Government and the Union of the Italian Jewish communities (Ucei). The plan, according to the report, in Avvenire consists in the translation from the Aramaic into Italian. The work over five years will be carried out in collaboration between the Jewish communities, the Italian Rabbinical College and the National Research Council (Cnr). The protocol will be signed by Gianni Letta undersecretary to the President of the Council of Ministers, Mariastella Gemini, minister of Education, Luciano Maiani, president of the Cnr, Renzo Gattegna, president of the Ucei, Riccardo Di Segni, director of the Italian rabbinical College.

The Avvenire report has been taken from the L’Osservatore Romano.

It may be mentioned that popes in the past had banned the Talmud and confiscated copies because of its blasphemy against Jesus and Our Lady.

In 1415, Pope Benedict XIII, who had convened the Tortosa disputation, issued a bull (which was destined, however, to remain inoperative) forbidding the Jews to read the Talmud, and ordering the destruction of all copies of it. Far more important were the charges made in the early part of the sixteenth century by the convert Johannes Pfefferkorn, the agent of the Dominicans. The result of these accusations was a struggle in which the emperor and the pope acted as judges, the advocate of the Jews being Johann Reuchlin, who was opposed by the obscurantists; and this controversy, which was carried on for the most part by means of pamphlets, became in the eyes of some a precursor of the Reformation.[42]

An unexpected result of this affair was the complete printed edition of the Babylonian Talmud issued in 1520 by Daniel Bomberg at Venice, under the protection of a papal privilege.[43] Three years later, in 1523, Bomberg published the first edition of the Jerusalem Talmud. After thirty years the Vatican, which had first permitted the Talmud to appear in print, undertook a campaign of destruction against it. On the New Year, Rosh Hashanah (September 9, 1553) the copies of the Talmud confiscated in compliance with a decree of the Inquisition were burned at Rome, in Campo dei Fiori (auto de fé). Other burnings took place in other Italian cities, as at Cremona in 1559. Censorship of the Talmud and other Hebrew works was introduced by a papal bull issued in 1554; five years later the Talmud was included in the first Index Expurgatorius; and Pope Pius IV commanded, in 1565, that the Talmud be deprived of its very name. The convention of referring to the work as "Shas" (shishah sidre Mishnah) instead of "Talmud" dates from this time.[44]

The first edition of the expurgated Talmud, on which most subsequent editions were based, appeared at Basel (1578–1581) with the omission of the entire treatise of 'Abodah Zarah and of passages considered inimical to Christianity, together with modifications of certain phrases. A fresh attack on the Talmud was decreed by Pope Gregory XIII (1575–85), and in 1593 Clement VIII renewed the old interdiction against reading or owning it.[citation needed] The increasing study of the Talmud in Poland led to the issue of a complete edition (Kraków, 1602-5), with a restoration of the original text; an edition containing, so far as known, only two treatises had previously been published at Lublin (1559–76). In 1707 some copies of the Talmud were confiscated in the province of Brandenburg, but were restored to their owners by command of Frederick, the first king of Prussia.[citation needed] A further attack on the Talmud took place in Poland (in what is now Ukrainian territory) in 1757, when Bishop Dembowski, at the instigation of the Frankists, convened a public disputation at Kamianets-Podilskyi, and ordered all copies of the work found in his bishopric to be confiscated and burned...-Wikipedia

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POPE AND CARDINAL CARLO MARTINI’S BOOKS ON DISPLAY TOGETHER IN SHOP WINDOW

Both authors do not mention Hell and claim Jews do not have to convert in the present times.

As you pass Collettis bookshop in front of St. Peters Basilica, the popes book Luce al Mondo (Light to the World) is on display prominenently. Also visible are books by Cardinal Carlo Martini.

Martini's whose writings have been described as scanda, and Pope Benedict XVI, are now in the same boat. ‘We are all in the same boat’ (Siamo Tutti Nella Stessa Barca) was the title of one of Martinis books. A reviewer in the magazine Il Settimanale di Padre Pio disagreed. He thought  Martini was in the boat described by Dante, to ferry the damned to Hell.

Luce al Mondo is a scandal. But so has been Cardinal Martini, and the pope, as Cardinal Ratzinger, for whatever reason, never checked him.

He allowed him to offer Mass freely. Martini continued with his dissent publicly, wrote books and continued a regular column in a leftist anti Catholic daily in Italy.

Now they are both selling their ‘wares’ together in the same shop window at the Vatican.

When Martini was critical of Church teachings on bioethics the Vatican responded by saying they knew of Martinis comments but did not want to start a controversy. And he could receive the Eucharist as normal and offer Mass as normal?

For Cardinal Ratzinger, there had been no trace of mortal sin or sacrilege of the Eucharist in Cardinal Martini. Or if there had been for him, he never mentioned it in public.

Now the pope himself in Luce al Mondo contradicts the Bible when he says Jews do not have to convert in the present times. He has also like Martini, rejected an infallible teaching, Cantate Domino, Council of Florence (extra ecclesiam nulla salus). For the pope this is not a mortal sin and neither does he consider his Mass a sacrilege.

Both authors are saying sin is not sin. Jews, and other non Catholics, do not have the Faith necessary for salvation and the authors are saying it is all right, they will go to Heaven in spite of that. To lack that Faith, means to die with Original Sin on their soul and mortal sins committed in that state and the authors are still saying they do not have to convert.

Both authors do not mention Hell with fire. The Catechism does not. The New Testament says Hell has fire and so does the Old (Isaiah 33).Our Lady at Fatima and many saints say Hell has fire that burns. So does the ex cathedra dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence.(1)

That Hell ‘has fire’ has been part of the ‘deposit of faith’ of the Church. That Jews do not have to convert is a ‘new revelation’ discovered by the authors. It has not been part of the deposit of the faith.

Both authors come from the same generation that made a common sense error on Vatican Council II. They interpret those saved in invincible ignorance etc (Lumen Gentium 16) as referring to explicit cases: particular cases, known to us humans.

Pope Benedict has even created a new theology around this error and expressed it in Luce al Mondo. He tells Peter Seewald that there is only one way of salvation implying Jews are saved in general through this one way and so they do not have to convert. They can be saved in this one way being in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, not knowing Jesus and living as Jews in Judaism awaiting the Messiah.

Through this one way of salvation (Jesus and the Church) those Jews are saved who convert into the Catholic Church and also those Jews are saved in general, who do not convert, the vast majority of them.

In contrast to the pope and Cardinal Martini, Cantate Domino,  says there is one way of salvation, Jesus and the Church, and everyone needs to enter the Church, with no exception to receive this salvation.

Pope John Paul II in Dominus Iesus 20 also says there is one way of salvation and everyone needs to enter the Church, with no exception, to receive this salvation.

See the difference! It is the difference between light and darkness in the world.

Then follows the common sense problem. The mistake even a 10 year old can see through. The pope, in his one way of salvation, suggests he knows in particular of people saved in invincible ignorance etc (CCC 847, 848, LG 16). So he has included them all being saved in the ‘one way’. Yet Faith and reason tells us that we do not know a single case in the present time. Neither over the last 50 years.

Since we do not know of any such case why mention it, why include it in the pope’s ‘one way’? It’s a decoy. A straw man. It’s a rejection of the dogma Cantate Domino and Pope John Paul II’s Dominus Iesus.

It’s not part of the deposit of the faith. As a concept, in principle we can accept there could be people saved in invincible ignorance but de facto we do not know any case. De facto there is only one way of salvation and everyone needs to enter the Church to receive it. (Dominus Iesus 20, Cantate Domino etc).

May be the pope never realized it and was confused himself.

This is all Darkness to the World. A false theology on salvation. An open rebellion against the message of Jesus regarding Jews and salvation, no mention of Hell with fire and presenting new doctrines that people want to hear so that they can believe that sin is not sin and that they are all going to heaven.

The pope and Martinis books should sell well.

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“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org (Emphasis added)

TWO WAYS TO INTERPRET THE CATECHISM (two points)

1. If we interpret the Catechism as saying only those people are oriented to Hell who know about the Church and yet do not enter, then we contradict 1. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus 2. Ad Gentes 7, Catechism of the Catholic 845,846, Dominus Iesus 20 etc. (1)

1. If we interpret the Catechism as saying only those people are oriented to Hell who know about the Church and yet do not enter, as compared to those in invincible ignorance, then it makes sense. It does not contradict 1. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus 2. Ad Gentes 7, Catechism of the Catholic 845,846, Dominus Iesus 20 etc.

There are two ways to interpret the Catechism.

2. If we say those in invincible ignorance, a good conscience, the baptism of desire etc (CCC 847,848 LG 16,Vatican Council II) can be saved and so they do not have to enter the Church, then we contradict 1. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus 2. Ad Gentes 7, Catechism of the Catholic 845,846, Dominus Iesus 20 etc.

2. If we say those in invincible ignorance, a good conscience, the baptism of desire etc can be saved and they are known only to God and are unknown to us then we do not contradict 1. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus 2. Ad Gentes 7, Catechism of the Catholic 845,846, Dominus Iesus 20 etc.

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1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.

2.“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholicchurch.blogspot.com/

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Agentes 7,Vatican Council II

To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.-Catechism of the Catholic Church n.845 Catechism of the Catholic Church

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 (Note : ‘which men through Baptism as through a door’ was a term used by the Church Fathers for the rigorist interpretation of outside the church there is no salvation).

Above all else, it must be firmly believed that “the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5), and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door”. This doctrine must not be set against the universal salvific will of God (cf. 1 Tim 2:4); “it is necessary to keep these two truths together, namely, the real possibility of salvation in Christ for all mankind and the necessity of the Church for this salvation”. Dominus Iesus 20 ( Emphasis added)