Wednesday, November 24, 2021
In my parish at First Holy Communion classes the children need to be told that every one needs to be a member of the Catholic Church, with faith and the baptism of water(AG 7) and live the traditional teachings of the Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
In my parish at First Holy Communion classes the children need to be told that every one needs to be a member of the Catholic Church, with faith and the baptism of water (AG 7) and live the traditional teachings of the Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.In Heaven there are only Catholics who are there with faith and the baptism of water (AG 7).Other religions are not paths to salvation(AG 7/LG 14). They may have good things which are a preparation for entering the Catholic Church.Other religions instead have deficiences, errors and superstition ( Dominus Iesus, Pope John Paul II) and their members are oriented to the Catholic Church for salvation ( CDF, Dupuis 2001).
We Catholics follow the God of Abraham, Isaac
and Jacon, Yahweh, fulfilled in Jesus Christ,
the Messiah promised by the Jewish prophets. Jesus is the Son of God one in
substance with the Father and Spirit, in the Holy Trinity. With his Death and Resurrection he made an eternal
covenant, as a Saviour from Hell, for all those who believe in Him and live
His teachings in the Catholic Church.
Catholics are the new people of
God, the new Chosen People, the Elect ( Nostra Aetate 4,Vatican Council II). They are the
fulfillment of the covenants God made with the Jewish people, of the old
Testament.There is now true worship in only the Catholic Church.The present day
Jews did not accept the Messiah and they reject Him in his First Coming.They are not the same as the past Jews who were waiting for the Messiah.
The Catholic Church is the
continuation of the Jewish religion. It was only after the Death and
Resurection of Jesus that the Jewish Patriarchs could enter Heaven.
The Catholic Church is Jesus’
Mystical Body, the Pearl of Great Price, the Treasure which a man found in the
field and sold every thing to have it.It is the Kingdom of God on earth.
Catholics now have the Sacrifice
in an un-bloody way, at every Holy Mass. They have the temple ( the church) for
the sacrifice.They have the Ark of the Covenant in the tabernacle. They have the promised Jewish Messiah.They have the Tradition, the continuation of the
Jewish religion.They have the one and only Sacrifice offered by the
Messiah.They have the Sacred Scriptures in the Bible which is a continuation of
the Pentateuch and the Old Testament.
Since most people are outside the Catholic
Church in which there is true worship,
they are oriented to the fires of Hell.They die without Catholic faith and the
baptism of water (AG 7).
When we meet a non Catholic we
know that he is oriented to the fires of Hell unless he converts into the
Catholic Church with faith and the baptism of water ( CDF, Dupuis, 2001).He
needs to become a member of the Catholic Church.The Church is necessary for
salvation (LG 14/AG 7).
Jesus said that those who do
not believe will be condemned ( Mark 16:16) and that those who deny Him he will
deny before the Father on the day of Judgement (Matthew 10:33).This is how God
the Father wants it.
God the Father wants all to be
united in the Catholic Church,the Church is like the Ark of Noah that saves in
the flood (CCC 845). We cannot separate Jesus from the Catholic Church and we
cannot separate the Kingdom of God from the Catholic Church.
Salvation in potential, as a
possibility, is open for all. Jesus died for all but to receive this salvation
all need to accept Him in the Catholic Church. They need to believe in the
Eucharist and receive the Sacraments.Salvation is restricted practically to those who
believe in Jesus, live His teachings in the Catholic Church and die without mortal sins on
their soul.Theoretically salvation is open for all practically Catholics have to avoid mortal sins or seek their absolution in the Sacrament of Confession, to obtain Sanctifying Grace necessary for salvation.
Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation
is the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church
expressed in Vatican Council II, the Catechism of
the Catholic Church, the Nicene and Athanasius
Creed, the First Commandment for Catholics and
many Magisterial Documents.-Lionel Andrades
NOVEMBER 23, 2021
At First Holy Communion classes they could teach children that every one needs to enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell
www.smnazaret.it/category/catechismo/
NOVEMBER 22, 2021
In my parish at Holy Communion classes they have changed the understanding of the Nicene Creed and First Commandment and our Profession of Faith is different. The Comitato dell Immaculata of Fr. Stefano Manelli F.I oversee the old vacant church and semimary building in the pasrish
In my parish Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, the Holy Communion classes have begun.The children are taught to confuse being saved in invincible ignorance outside the Catholic Church, as referring to known people , physically visible cases in the present times.In this way they don't have to say that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church, as it was taught to children during the times of Apostles and Church Fathers, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Catherine of Siena and St.Maximilian Kolbe.The children are taught that there are exceptions and not that every one needs to enter accept Jesus and enter the Catholic Church, with no known exceptions to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
Even the priests and catechists in the parish are not ready to affirm the Athanasius Creed and it must be the same with the bishop and his Curia.
So the Nicene Creed is changed too with the same false premise with which they reject the Athanasius Creed and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So the Profession of Faith at Holy Mass in Italian is different.Since the Nicene Creed has two interpretations, one rational and the other irrational.
There is confusion on the First Commandment, for Catholics.
The Comitato dell Immaculata of Fr. Stefano Manelli F.I, over sees the old vacant church and seminary building in the parish.They are not intervening. -Lionel Andrades
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/11/in-may-parish-at-holy-communion-classes.html
NOVEMBER 22, 2021
What about traditional, 16th century Mission doctrine?
6.What about traditional, 16th century Mission doctrine?
With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II we return to traditional Mission doctrine. It is no more 'only they need to enter the Church who know about it', who are not in invincible ignorance(LG 14) Instead, it is all need to enter the Catholic Church with no known exception.Invincible ignorance is not an exception to all needing to enter the Church with faith and the baptism(LG 14).So we evangelize since all non Catholics are oriented to Hell without faith and the baptism of water( Ad Gentes 7/Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II. The norm for salvation is faith and baptism and not invincible ignorance.When I meet a non Catholic, I cannot assume or pretend to know, that he or she is an exception to the norm. If there is an exception it could be known only to God.I know that the non Catholic before me, is oriented to Hell( Athanasius Creed, Vatican Council II(AG 7, LG 14),Catechism of the Catholic Church(845,846,1257),Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, etc).
So the sub title in the Catechism of the Catholic Church says outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation (846) and ccites Ad Gentes 7. So CCC 846 says that everyone who is saved is saved with Jesus and the Church and also CCC 846 indicates that everyone must enter the Catholic Church as members with Catholic faith and the baptism of water(AG 7).
The Church is the only Noah's Ark that saves in the flood (CCC 845) and God the Father wants everyone to be untied in the Catholic Church (CCC 845).
from Vatican Council II is dogmatic ( See text below )
ITALIAN TRANSLATION / ITALIANO
6. E la dottrina missionaria tradizionale del XVI secolo?
Con l'interpretazione di Lionel Andrades del Concilio Vaticano II torniamo alla dottrina tradizionale della Missione. Non è più "solo loro bisogno di entrare nella Chiesa che lo sanno", che non sono nell'ignoranza invincibile (LG 14) Invece, c'è tutto bisogno di entrare nella Chiesa Cattolica senza alcuna eccezione conosciuta. L'ignoranza invincibile non è un'eccezione per l'insegnamento che dice tutti hanno bisogno di entrare nella Chiesa Cattolica con la fede e il battesimo (Ad Gentes 7/Lumen Gentium 14). Quindi evangelizziamo poiché tutti i non cattolici sono orientati all'Inferno senza la fede e il battesimo d'acqua (Ad Gentes 7/Lumen Gentium 14, Concilio Vaticano II). La norma per la salvezza è fede e battesimo e non ignoranza invincibile.Quando incontro un non cattolico, non posso presumere o pretendere di sapere che lui o lei è un'eccezione alla norma.Se c'è un'eccezione potrebbe essere conosciuta solo da Dio. So che il non cattolico prima di me, è orientato all'Inferno ( Credo di Atanasio, Concilio Vaticano II (AG 7, LG 14), Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica (845.846,1257), Sillabo degli Errori di Papa Pio IX, ecc.
Quindi il sottotitolo nel Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica dice che al di fuori della Chiesa Cattolica non c'è salvezza (846) e citato Ad Gentes 7. Quindi CCC 846 dice che chiunque è salvato è salvato con Gesù e la Chiesa e anche CCC 846 indica che tutti devono entrare nella Chiesa cattolica come membri, con la fede Cattolica e il battesimo d'acqua (AG 7).
La Chiesa è l'unica Arca di Noè che salva nel diluvio (CCC 845) e Dio Padre vuole che tutti siano unisce nella Chiesa Cattolica (CCC 845).
JUNE 11, 2021
Vatican Council II is dogmatic
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE LIONEL ANDRADES INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
1.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
It does not use the common fake premise.It's a simple, rational and different way to read Vatican Council II.
2.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)?
It does not use the common false premise to interpret the baptism of desire(BOD), invincible ignorance(I.I) and the baptism of blood(BOB).So there are no practical exceptions for EENS.EENS is traditonal and BOD, BOB and I.I are interpreted rationally.It's not EENS or BOB,BOB and I.I. Since the latter are not exceptions for the former.
3.Is the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Magisterial documents copy writed or trademarked? No. Any one can use it. There is no charge.It is simply going back to the traditiional interpretation of Church documents, without the false premise. The false premise came into the Church in a big way, with the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney(1949).
4.How did the Lionel Andrades interpretation of VC 2 emerge?
He kept writing on his blog on EENS and then discovered that Vatican Council II does not really contradict EENS if the false premise is avoided.
5.Is the LA interpretation of VC2 a new theology?
No. It is going back to the old, traditional theology of the Catholic Church by avoiding the false premise.It is the false premise which has created the New Theology.Without the false premise there cannot be the New Ecumenism, New Evangelisation, New Ecclesiology etc.The New Theology is Cristocentric without the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church.Since exceptions were created to EENS, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors etc, by projecting a false premise.The error was overlooked by the popes.
6.What about traditional, 16th century Mission doctrine?
With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II we return to traditional Mission doctrine. It is no more 'only they need to enter the Church who know about it', who are not in invincible ignorance(LG 14) Instead, it is all need to enter the Catholic Church with no known exception.Invincible ignorance is not an exception to all needing to enter the Church with faith and the baptism(LG 14).So we evangelize since all non Catholics are oriented to Hell without faith and the baptism of water( Ad Gentes 7/Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II. The norm for salvation is faith and baptism and not invincible ignorance.When I meet a non Catholic, I cannot assume or pretend to know, that he or she is an exception to the norm. If there is an exception it could be known only to God.I know that the non Catholic before me, is oriented to Hell( Athanasius Creed, Vatican Council II(AG 7, LG 14),Catechism of the Catholic Church(845,846,1257),Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, etc).
7.What about the hermeneutic of continuity or rupture with Tradition ?
With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II there is no rupture with past Magisterium documents and neither do they contradict each other.We have to re-interpret past Magisterial documents though, which mention the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I), as being hypothetical and invisible always.Being saved with BOD and I.I are always physically invisible, when they are mentioned in the Catechisms( Trent, Pius X etc) and encyclicals and documents of the popes(Mystici Corporis etc).They always refer to hypothetical cases only and are not objectively known non Catholics.If someone is saved outside the Church he or she could only be known to God.This has to be clear when reading also the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.There is also no confusion when reading the text of Vatican Council II.LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3,NA 2,GS 22 etc, refer always to only hypothetical cases and so they do not contradict the Athanasius Creed.
8.Should the popes use the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
YES! Since presently the two popes are schismatic, heretical, non Magisterial and non traditional on Vatican Council II.It has to be this way since they use the false premise.It is only with the false premise, inference and conclusion that they interpret Magisterial documents. This can be avoided with a rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion.The result is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.
9.What other advantage is there in knowing the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
We read the text of Vatican Council II in general differently with the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.
’The red is not an exception to the blue’.The hypothetical passages( marked in red on the blog Eucharist and Mission, are not practical exceptions to the orthodox passages in Vatican Council II which support EENS, and are marked in blue.
For the present two popes and the traditionalists the red is an exception to the blue. This is irrational.
10.What bearing does it have on the liturgy ?
Without the false premise the Council is traditional. Vatican Council II is in harmony with extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the missionaries in the 16th century.So we are back to the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. When the Council is traditional there is no 'development of doctrine' or 'sprit of Vatican Council II'. Collegiality, Religious Freedom and ecumenism are no more an issue. So receiving Holy Communion on the hand can no more be justified with Vatican Council II.Neither can the Eucharist be given to the divorced and re-married, in the name of the Council.
Neither can the German Synod be justified by citing Vatican Council II.There is no theological basis in the Council, any more, for given the Eucharist to Protestants during Holy Mass.
11.What is the essence of this interpretation?
It is the listing of the rational and irrational premise, inference and conclusion. It identifies two different premises with two different conclusions. So the rational premise produces a traditional conclusion and the Vatican Council II is in harmony with Tradition. It has a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition even though Rahner, Congar, Rarzinger and Cushing were present at the Council in 1965.
Collegiality, ecumenism and religious liberty are no more an issue for the conservatives , when Vatican Council II is traditional. Lumen Gentium 8, Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 ecc. oin Vatican Council II refer to only physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.
12.Vatican Council II is dogmatic ?
Yes. Pope Paul VI and the liberals call Vatican Council II "pastoral" and not dogmatic. Since they do not want to affirm the rigorous interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). Without their false premise the Council is dogmatic. It supports the rigorous interpretation of EENS.This was EENS according to the missionaries and the Magisterium of the sixteenth century. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc., in the Second Vatican Council, if interpreted rationally, cannot be practical exceptions to EENS. Invisible cases in our reality cannot be objective exceptions to EENS. For example, to get on the bus you have to be present at the bus station. If you are not physically at the bus stop it is not possible to get on the bus.
Another example is, if there is an apple in a box of oranges, the apple is an exception since it is there in the box. If it was not there in that box it would not be an exception. Similarly LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 etc.,refer only to hypothetical cases. We cannot meet or see anyone saved outside the Church, without faith and the baptism of water. So the Council is not referring to real people, known people in the present times.
Unknown and invisible cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14) and of being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) cannot be objective exceptions for EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.There is no conflict.
So when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally it is dogmatic. -Lionel Andrades
Fake premise
Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.
Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.
Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.
Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.
Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades
Lionel Andrades
Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission )
E-mail: lionelandrades10@
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