Rome Life Forum 2020 speakers interpret BOD, BOB and I.I and Vatican Council II with the false premise, inference and conclusion to create a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.

Rome Life Forum 2020 speakers interpret BOD, BOB and I.I and Vatican Council II with the false premise, inference and conclusion to create a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.

  

  

VATICAN COUNCIL II CONTRADICTS THE SYLLABUS OF ERROR OF POPE PIUS IX ON EXCLUSIVE SALVATION BEING THERE IN ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

III. INDIFFERENTISM, LATITUDINARIANISM
15. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. — Allocution “Maxima quidem,” June 9, 1862; Damnatio “Multiplices inter,” June 10, 1851.
16. Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation. — Encyclical “Qui pluribus,” Nov. 9, 1846.
17. Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ. — Encyclical “Quanto conficiamur,” Aug. 10, 1863, etc.
18. Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion, in which form it is given to please God equally as in the Catholic Church. — Encyclical “Noscitis,” Dec. 8, 1849.
-Lionel Andrades 

 TERMS CLARIFIED 

 BOD( Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)

BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)

I.I (Invincible ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)

LG 8 ( Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true Church of Christ allegedly subsists.

 LG 14 (Lumen Gentium 14:  Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)

LG 16 ( Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith and the baptism of water) 

UR 3 (Unitatitis Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the unknown Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith or the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).

NA 2(  Nostra Aetate 2: The case of  the unknown non Catholic saved outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth which enlightens all mankind.

GS 22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and baptism but with goodwill.

Rome Life Forum 2020 speakers use an irrational premise, inference and conclusion to interpret Vatican Council II, BOD, BOB and I.I as a rupture with the Catechism of Pope Pius X : this is contrary to Tradition

Rome Life Forum 2020 speakers use an irrational premise, inference and conclusion to interpret Vatican Cuncil II, BOD, BOB and I.I as a rupture with the Catechism of Pope Pius X : this is contrary to Tradition

    

 

 

   

FALSE CONCLUSION (CONTINUED)

1.VATICAN COUNCIL ii CONTRADICTS THE CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X ( 24 Q AND 27 Q )

From the Catechism of Pope Pius X

16 Q. Is Baptism necessary to salvation?

A. Baptism is absolutely necessary to salvation, for our Lord has expressly said: 

"Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into 

the Kingdom of God."

The Church in Particular

9 Q. State distinctly what is necessary to be a member of the Church?

A. To be a member of the Church it is necessary to be baptised, to believe and 

profess the teaching of Jesus Christ, to participate in the same Sacraments, and

 to acknowledge the Pope and the other lawful pastors of the Church.

24 Q. To be saved, is it enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic Church?

A. No, to be saved it is not enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic 

Church; it is necessary to be a living member.

27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?

A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, 

just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, 

which was a figure of the Church.

 

2.VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WILL CONTRADICT THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ( 11 Q, 13 Q AND 14 Q ).

11 Q. Who are they who are outside the true Church?

A. Outside the true Church are: Infidels, Jews, heretics, apostates, 

schismatics, and the excommunicated.

13 Q. Who are the Jews?

A. The Jews are those who profess the Law of Moses; have not received

 baptism; and do not believe in Jesus Christ.

14 Q. Who are heretics?

A. Heretics are those of the baptised who obstinately refuse to believe some

 truth revealed by God and taught as an article of faith by the Catholic 

Church; for example, the Arians, the Nestorians and the various sects of Protestants.

  29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved?
 A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God's will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation

 

THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE (INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ) AND VATICAN COUNCIL II ( LUMEN GENTIUM 16) WOULD CONTRADICT  THE CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X BUT ALSO 29 Q OF THE CATECHISM WOULD CONTRADICT 24 Q and 27 Q OF THE SAME CATECHISM.

 -Lionel Andrades 

FEBRUARY 8, 2020

I affirm Vatican Council II with the rational interpretation and reject the irrational one (Graphics). 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/i-affirm-vatican-council-ii-with.html

All the speakers at the Rome Forum 2020 need to interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms, EENS and BOD, BOB and I.I without the irrational premise, inference and conclusion to create a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

All the speakers at the Rome Forum 2020  need to interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms, EENS and BOD, BOB and I.I without the irrational premise, inference and conclusion to create a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

 
 
-Lionel Andrades

 TERMS CLARIFIED 

 BOD( Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)

BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)

I.I (Invincible ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)

LG 8 ( Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true Church of Christ allegedly subsists.

 LG 14 (Lumen Gentium 14:  Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)

LG 16 ( Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith and the baptism of water) 

UR 3 (Unitatitis Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the unknown Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith or the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).

NA 2(  Nostra Aetate 2: The case of  the unknown non Catholic saved outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth which enlightens all mankind.

GS 22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and baptism but with goodwill.

Rome Life Forum 2020 speakers use an irrational premise, inference and conclusion to interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) to create a rupture with Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX, Catechism of Pope Pius X etc).

Rome Life Forum 2020 speakers use an irrational premise, inference and conclusion to interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) to create a rupture with Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX, Catechism of Pope Pius X etc).

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (1994) CONTRADICTS FEENEYITE EENS ONLY WHEN AN IRRATIONAL PREMISE IS USED. 

FEBRUARY 9, 2020

-Lionel Andrades

IRRATIONAL PREMISE, INFERENCE AND CONCLUSION OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (1994) (Graphics)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/irrational-premise-inference-and.html

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 FEBRUARY 11, 2020

Rome Life Forum 2020 speakers interpret Vatican Council II with the irrational premise, inference and conclusion to create a false rupture with Tradition, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors, the Athanasius Creed etc.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/rome-life-forum-2020-speakers-interpret.html