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Corrado Gnerre interpreta l'ecclesiam nulla salus extra con la nuova teologia ed è un Cushingite


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Corrado Gnerre interpreta l'ecclesiam nulla salus extra con la nuova teologia ed è un Cushingite

L'apologista italiano Corrado Gnerre 1 non si rende conto che la Lettera del Sant'Uffizio del 1949 ha commesso un errore oggettivo. Il battesimo del desiderio (BOD), il battesimo del sangue (BOB) e l'essere salvati nell'ignoranza invincibile (II) erano sempre ipotetici e invisibili, si riferivano sempre a casi sconosciuti: era speculazione, qualcosa sperato, così i papi nel corso dei secoli non li ha considerati eccezioni alla rigorosa interpretazione del dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
La Lettera ha fatto questo errore. Ha considerato BOD e I.I come eccezioni a Feeneyite EENS. In altre parole c'erano non cattolici visibili e conosciuti salvati al di fuori della Chiesa. Quindi la nuova conclusione e che non tutti avevano bisogno di entrare nella Chiesa per la salvezza. Fuori dalla Chiesa c'era la salvezza. Si conosceva la salvezza.
Lo stesso errore è stato ripetuto al Concilio Vaticano II. Ad Gentes 7 afferma che tutti hanno bisogno di fede e di battesimo per la salvezza e AG 7 menziona anche di essere salvato nell'ignoranza invincibile e nel battesimo del desiderio.Perchè ' Perchè invincibile ignorance era una eccezione per EENS per i Padri del Concilio. Ha letto il Lettera.  La scomunica di padre Leonard Feeney fu politica e non fu ancora revocata nel 1965.
Quindi nel 1965-2020 sappiamo che non ci sono casi letterali di qualcuno salvato nell'ignoranza invincibile (LG 16) o nel battesimo del desiderio (LG 14) o in cui la Chiesa sussiste al di fuori dei suoi confini visibili (LG 8). In pratica non ci sono casi tale casi in genere .
I teologi liberali del Concilio Vaticano II in principio presumevano che fossero visibili casi invisibili, casi ipotetici erano eccezioni oggettive a EENS.
Così l'EENS tradizionale è stato reso osoleto. Il Sillabo di Errori di Papa Pio IX e il Credo di Atanasio furono resi osoleti.
Il Catechismo di Papa Pio X quando menziona un'ignoranza invincibile, contraddice lo stesso Catechismo quando si riferisce alla salvezza esclusiva nella Chiesa cattolica (24 Q, 27 Q).Questo sarà il falso ragionamento di Corrado Gnerre e Roberto dei Mattei poiché casi invincibili sono eccezioni a EENS. Quindi sono obiettivi e visibili. Significa che il Catechismo di Papa Pio X si contraddice.
Per loro, Mystici Corporis, Quanta Cura, ecc., Che menzionano BOD, BOB e I.I, coltiveranno la tradizione.
L'arcivescovo Lefebvre ha usato la falsa premessa e il falso ragionamento e
così il Concilio Vaticano II divenne una rottura con la Tradizione per lui.

Il Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica si contraddice se stesso. La causa e la irrazionalità nella Letter di 1949.
Il Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica (1257) afferma che tutti hanno bisogno del battesimo dell'acqua per la salvezza .Ma CCC 1257 afferma anche, che Dio non si limita ai Sacramenti. Perchè per Cardinal Ratzinger e Cardinale Schnoborn cè eccezione, che è nota e visibile.

Così è stata creata una Nuova Teologia. Poiché si presumeva che il battesimo del desiderio ecc. si riferisse a non cattolici visibili e noti salvati al di fuori della Chiesa Cattolica.
Quindi loro concluso che al di fuori della Chiesa c'è la salvezza ma anche dire extra ecclesiam nulla salus, in una contradizione.
Quindi LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 ecc. sono citati nel Concilio Vaticano II e furono esempi di salvezza al di fuori della Chiesa per i teologi liberali.
Ora c'è una nuova comprensione di EENS. È l'EENS con eccezioni. Questo errore è stato accettato anche dall'Arcivescovo Lefebvre e dalla Società di San Pio X. È lo stesso per Corrado Gnerre.
Ma se non ci sono casi letterali di BOD, BOB e I.I come può Corado Gnerre discutere di EENS, con possibilità che siano eccezioni? Le possibilità esistono solo nella nostra mente. Le possibilità non possono contradice EENS.
Come può discutere teologicamente questo problema con la Nuova Teologia che è irrazionale?
Non ci sono casi di BOD, BOB e I.I ma stanno discutendo condizioni e categorie teologiche, come se fossero reali, come se potesse leggere la mente di Dio.
Non ci sono casi noti di non cattolici salvati al di fuori della Chiesa e postula che i non cattolici possono essere salvati nella loro religione attraverso Gesù e la Chiesa. Questa è la Nuova Teologia che accoglie BOD, BOB e I.I come eccezioni visibili a EENS.
Come può creare eccezioni all'insegnamento di secoli  sul EENS con casi ipotetici menzionati nel Concilio Vaticano II?

Significherebbe anche che il Sillabo di Errori  di Pio IX e il Catechismo di Papa Pio X hanno menzionato eccezioni al Credo di Atanasio e EENS, per lui? La tradizione contraddice la tradizione.
Quindi, se c'è un'eccezione, ce ne possono essere molte eccezione. Così il vescovo Robert Barron,di Los Angeles, tra gli altri, afferma che possiamo avere una ragionevole speranza che la maggior parte degli uomini sia salvata. Il suo riferimento è il Concilio Vaticano II (con eccezioni). Legge casi ipotetici come esempi di non cattolici salvati e conosciuti da lui. Le possibilità nella sua mente sono reali. Lo stesso vale per Corrado Gnerre.-Lionel Andrades

The Diocese of Worcester Decree states that the St. Benedict Center. Still River, MA, propagates the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church as authentically taught and defined by the Church's teaching magisterium: they all use a false premise to create a rupture with Tradition

Decree of Erection of Association

The Worcester Decree said that the St. Benedict Center. Still River, MA, propagates the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church  as authentically taught and defined by the Church's teaching magisterium.
25th Jubilee of Profession
The Diocese of Worcester and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith are interpreting Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms and EENS with a false premise and inference to create an artificial rupture with Feeneyite EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.
Brother Thomas Augustine MICM, Superior at the St. Benedict Center ,Still River interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise and creates schism with the past popes on EENS and a rupture with 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus.-Lionel Andrades

https://www.saintbenedict.com/category/sisters/page/3/

Repost : The St.Benedict Centers condone Vatican Council II interpreted with an irrational premise and do not affirm Vatican Council II without the irrationality: liberal bishop considers this 'as authentically taught and defined by the Church's teaching magisterium'

Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Still River, Made Public ...

APRIL 19, 2018


The St.Benedict Centers condone Vatican Council II interpreted with an irrational premise and do not affirm Vatican Council II without the irrationality: liberal bishop considers this 'as authentically taught and defined by the Church's teaching magisterium'

The St.Benedict Centers, the communities of Fr. Leonard Feeney, in the U.S dioceses of Worcester and Manchester do not state that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are not physically visible cases in reality, in the present times. This is something obvious.It is the same with the SSPX priests and bishops and their lay supporters.They cannot get themselves to say the obvious, what is common knowledge.
So whatever is the theology of these two groups(SBC and SSPX) there are no practical exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salussince we humans cannot see or meet a BOD, BOB and I.I case.This is something objective. It is independent of their theologies.
So we can theorize and speculate about BOD, BOB and I.I.But BOD, BOB and I.I must not be considered an  exception to EENS.This is the mistake of Bishop Robert J.McManus and Bishop Peter J.Libasci, the bishops of Worcester and Manchester, respectively.
The bishops have made an objective error and it is condoned by the St. Benedict Centers in the two dioceses.
No correction is expected from the traditionalists. This is also the mistake made by the SSPX priests and bishops and the sedevacantists who have had their formation under Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.They are all irrational on this issue and so their conclusions are liberal and heretical.The traditionalists make this error and there is no denial from them.
 They SSPX traditionalists, theorize about BOD, BOB and I.I and then project BOD, BOB and I.I as being explicit and known and  examples of salvation outside the Church. Then they conclude that outside the Church there is salvation.
The problem is that the St. Benedict Centers, make the same error with Vatican Council II. They first assume that LG 14 ( desire of the catechumen) and LG 16 ( invincible ignorance) refer to explicit and objective exceptions to the dogma EENS.Then they reject Vatican Council II as being a rupture with EENS.
So there are two groups with different theologies on the baptism of desire etc.However on Vatican Council II, there is only one group - and they are in error.They both make the same error.
For me EENS, and Vatican Council II is Feeneyite i.e invisible cases of non Catholics are invisible. Since UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical, non visible and theoretical cases ( like BOD, BOB and I.I), I am interpreting them with Feeneyism(according to L.A).They are not examples of known salvation outside the Church.They are not practical exceptions to EENS and the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.
But for the  St.Benedict Center, Still River, Mass., which has been granted canonical status in the diocese of Worcester, it is different. Vatican Council II is interpreted as a rupture with EENS.This is also the irrational understanding of Vatican Council II and EENS held by Bishop Robert J.McManus, the bishop of Worcester.
Brother Thomas Augustine MICM,Prior, at the St.Benedict Center, Still River, in the diocese of Worcester,  does not tell Bishop McManus that the SBC interprets Vatican Council II without the irrational premise.So the SBC  accepts Vatican Council II in harmony with the strict interpretation of EENS.The SBC does not do it! So he cannot say it.
They interpret Vatican Council II like the rest of the liberal, diocese.
The diocese of Worcester does not have a problem with the SBC community since the SBC accepts Vatican Council II as  a rupture with Tradition. This is magisterial. The decree which grants the SBC canonical status states that the SBC  teaches doctrines of the Church 'as authentically taught and defined by the Church's teaching magisterium'. 1
Read that again.
In the original Decree it was said that the SBC accepts Vatican Council II .Then that line was removed.
It is the same in the Diocese of Manchester.This is also the understanding there.The SBC community of Fr. Leonard Feeney is recognised by the bishop of Manchester. For the SBC in Manchester, Vatican Council II is not in harmony with Feeneyite EENS but is a rupture.This is the magisterial teaching for the FSSP priests in the diocese who offer the Traditional Latin Mass.For Bishop Peter A.Libasci, the Bishop of Manchester,  Vatican Council II is a rupture with the dogma EENS and this error is not corrected by the SBC community.This is the 'authentically taught'  and 'defined by the Church',  'teaching magisterium' accepted by the SBC.
-Lionel Andrades
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http://www.ipadre.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Decree-Most-Rev-Rober-J.-McManus.pdf

DECEMBER 18, 2017

Bishop Thomas Augustine MICM, and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Still River,MA have compromised on Vatican Council II and EENS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/bishop-thomas-augustine-micm-and-slaves.html

MAY 22, 2016



 APRIL 5, 2018







St.Benedict Centers need to correct their position on Vatican Council II with reference to EENS   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/stbenedict-centers-need-to-correct.html

DECEMBER 20, 2017

Bishop Robert McMahon Bishop of Worcester makes change in Decree on St. Benedict Center deletes original reference to Vatican Council II ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/bishop-robert-mcmahon-bishop-of.html


DECEMBER 20, 2017

I do not reject the baptism of desire like the traditionalists (Peter and Michael Dimond at MHFM) and neither do I accept the baptism of desire like the liberals(Cardinal Ladaria and Pope Benedict).Both groups use an irrational premise

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/i-do-not-reject-baptism-of-desire-like.html

DECEMBER 16, 2017


The traditionalists are blocking the reconciliation of the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) with the CDF/Ecclesia Dei since the bloggers are unable to affirm Feeneyte extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS),which is central to the doctrinal crisis in the Catholic Church.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/the-traditionalists-are-blocking.html
Can you look at this issue without the models used by the SSPX and the MICM ?


Simcha Fischer uses the false premise to interpret the Creeds, Catechisms and Vatican Council II and does not call herself, the CDF and the bishops of Manchester and Worcester, schismatics


When Brother Thomas Augustine MICM, Superior, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, St.Benedict Center, Still River, MA, USA received full canonical status as a religious community it was because he accepted Vatican Council II(Cushingite), the Council intepreted with the false premise. The original agreement mentioned the acceptance of Vatican Council II. It did not clarify if it was Vatican Council II without the false premise.
Later the words Vatican Council II were removed from the text of the agreement, with the Diocese of Manchester, USA, shown on the Internet.Now Brother Thomas Augustine does not deny that Vatican Council II ( Cushingite) negates extra ecclesiam nulla salus(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed and other Magisterial documents which support extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), in the Catholic Church.
There is   pressure on the St. Benedict Center, New Hamphsire,where Brother Andre Marie MICM, is the Prior, to interpret Vatican Council II with the irrationality and so create exceptions for EENS.The baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance would be literal and objective exceptions. This would be the false but approved, narrative.
So the theology of the St. Benedict Center, Still River is liberal like that at the Novus Ordo Mass in general. The SBC offer the Latin Mass  with the new ecclesiology. They are in schism with the popes over the centuries, who affirmed the strict interpretation of EENS with BOD,BOB and I.I just being hypothetical and theoretical.
So for Brother Thomas Augustine, Mystici Corporis, Quanta Cura and other magisterial documents which mention BOD, BOB and I.I would contradict EENS, as being visible and known exceptions. So he would read the past Church documents with Cushingism and not Feeneyism, with the false premise and not without it.
This is the new ecclesiology of the priests at the St. Benedict Center, Still River.It is the same for the FSSP priests who offer the Latin Mass.

They do not say that they affirm Vatican Council II without the false premise.If they endorsed Vatican Council II without the false premise  they would be supporting Feeneyite EENS( with no exceptions) and so would lose their full communion status.
Bishop Robert McManus, Bishop of Manchester, like Pope Francis, interprets Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms with the false premise. This is approved by the Jewish Left for the Catholic Church.

Simcha Fischer has written an article supporting the St. Benedict Center, Still River and criticizing the St. Benedict Center N.H. She uses the false premise to interpret the Creeds, Catechisms and Vatican Council II and does not call herself, the CDF and the bishops of Manchester and Worcester, schismatics.-Lionel Andrades

APRIL 11, 2015

No text in Quanto Conficiamur Moerore or the Council of Trent says there are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salushttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/no-text-in-quanto-conficiamur-moerore.html



JULY 14, 2015

Vatican Council II (UR ,DH) would contradict Mortalium Animos, Quanta Cura, Syllabus of Errors only if B is an exception to A
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/07/vatican-council-ii-ur-dh-would.html


MARCH 2, 2015

The Council of Trent, Mystici Corporis no where says that these cases are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus : Rome made a mistake in 1949
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/the-council-of-trent-mystici-corporis.html

Fr.Leonard Feeney's communities like Peter Vere interpret Vatican Council II with an irrationality

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/07/frleonard-feeneys-communities-like.html

It is a fact of life that we cannot see or know exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is not just my opinion
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/it-is-fact-of-life-that-we-cannot-see_1.html

APRIL 8, 2013

This is what the SSPX and the St.Benedict Centers must agree on.The baptism of desire and baptism of blood are irrelevant to the literal interpretation of the dogma according to Fr. Leonard Feeney.


MARCH 19, 2013


SBC, SSPX, FSSP ANNOUNCE THAT WE CANNOT NAME ANY PERSON WHO IS AN EXCEPTION TO EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND VATICAN COUNCIL II https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2013/03/sbc-sspx-fssp-could-announce-that-we.html

 OCTOBER 30, 2019

Bishop Peter Libasci and the Chancellor want scientists in New Hampshire, to interpret Vatican Council II by violating Newton's Laws of physics.This is a credibility issue.For a doctor, engineer, lawyer or priest to confuse what is invisible as being being visible, even after being informed, indicates his sense of reality is different from the rest of mankind.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/10/bishop-peter-libasci-and-chancellor.html


OCTOBER 29, 2019

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The 16 books of Vatican Council II have an error. They violate the Principle of Non Contradiction. The Council Fathers misunderstood the laws of physics. They wrongly assumed the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) referred to physical bodies in time and space. They they created a new false theology based upon this irrationality. This cannot be magisterial but is human error. Since the Holy Spirit cannot make a factual and objective error.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-16-books-of-vatican-council-ii-have.html



OCTOBER 28, 2019

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All the books on Vatican Council II that have been published could probably have an error in the interpretation of the Council, in its 16 basic documents.Lumen Gentium, Nostra Aetate,Ad Gentes, Unitatitis Redintigratio, Gaudium et Specs etc were are all interpreted with a false premise to create an artificial rupture with Tradition. Hypotheticals were assumed to be objective people saved outside the Church.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/10/all-books-on-vatican-council-ii-that.html


JANUARY 25, 2019



For me the red does not contradict the blue so there is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition ( Graphics)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/for-me-red-does-not-contrradict-blue-so.html


JUNE 29, 2019



Fr Matteo Visioli Undersecretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has ordered that all religious communities interpret Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents with the red being an exception to the blue. This is obligatory also for the Franciscans of the Immaculate. They are not permitted to interpret the Council with the red not being an exception to the blue.

 Fr Matteo Visioli  Undersecretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has  ordered that all religious communities interpret Vatican Council II and other magisterial  documents with the red being an exception to the blue. This is obligatory also for  the Franciscans of the Immaculate. They are not permitted to interpret the Council with the red not being an exception to the blue.
-Lionel Andrades



Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
 Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II
Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II




Ringraziamo la Madonna per questi 39 anni a Medjugorje per il suo aiuto ...

TV 2000 staff in Italy interpret the Creeds with a false premise



The TV 2000 staff in Italy interpret the Creed with a false premise and they have no comment on this issue.In a controversial interview of Pope Francis, the interviewet does not mention that the Creeds and Vatican Council II can be interpreted with or without a false premise and TV 2000 has chosen the irrational option like Pope Francis.
In general, Catholics recite the Creeds, unknowingly using a false premise and inference and so their conclusion is a rupture with Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc) Even the Lefbvrist and Feeneyite traditionalists make this mistake.

Even the different groups of the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the Society of St.Pius X make the same mistake.
The Dioceses of Boston, Manchester and Worcester only accept vocations to the religious life from candidates who interpret Vatican Council II and the Creeds with a false premise and inference. This is obligatory.

The same problem exists in Italy and TV 2000 could do a program on this issue.-Lionel Andrades




JUNE 23, 2020










Pope Francis and my interpretation of the Creeds is different.Priests do not say that I am wrong.


JUNE 24, 2020


Pope Francis interprets the Creeds with a false premise, inference and conclusion. This was un precedented over the centuries
ttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/06/pope-francis-interprets-creeds-with.html  

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WEDNESDAY, APRIL 15, 2015




Questions and Answers
what premise ? The irrational premise is "The dead are visible to us on earth".

What inference/ conclusion ?The inference is since the dead are visible to us on earth, those who are saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance being explicit ( visible in the flesh) become exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So it is concluded that Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc) contradict the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So it is concluded that Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition, it has the hermeneutic of rupture.

What theology ? The post -1949 theology says every one needs to enter the Catholic Church except for those in invincible ignorance or with the baptism of desire.Since it assumes that defacto( in fact in the present times,explicitly) there are known exceptions to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston.So it is a theology which assumes there is salvation outside the Church even though we cannot know of any one saved without 'faith and baptism'.

What Tradition? Pre- 1949 Catholic Tradition, on salvation ( soteriology) says there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. The three dogmas on extra ecclesiam nulla salus ,defined by three Church Councils, do not mention any exception. The text also does not mention the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance.I am referring to Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441 etc.Also Mystici Corporis and the Council of Trent mention implicit desire etc but do not state that these cases are known to us, to be exceptions to the dogma.Neither do they state that there are exceptions to the dogma.Yet with the false premise and inference is how the Council of Trent, the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc are interpreted.

Do you accept the baptism of desire?Yes. I believe a Catechuman who has an implicit desire for the baptism of water and dies before he receives it can be saved. Since God will provide the means for him to receive the baptism of water. It has been the experience of saints, including St. Francis Xavier that some people returned from the dead only to be baptised by them with the baptism of water.

Irrational premise, Irrational inference, Non traditional conclusion The secular media uses an irrational premise which is "We can see the dead who are now in Heaven, we can physically see them in Heaven and on earth". They then make an irrational inference which is " Since we can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water and formal entry into the Church, there is known salvation outside the Church and these cases are an explicit exception to the traditional interpretation of EENS." Their conclusion is : Vatican Council II is a break with EENS.
I accept the Magisterium 
'For me the magisterial teaching of the Church documents (and not the contemporary magisterium i.e the persons in power) support the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( AG 7,LG 14, CCC 1257,845,846, Redemptoris Missio 55, Dominus Iesus 20 etc).
I accept the Magisterium ( Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14), CCC 1257, 845,846, Redemptoris Missio 55, Dominus Iesus 20, Council of Trent,Syllabus of Errors, Catechism of Pope Pius X, Cantate Dominio Council of Florence 1441 etc).Magisterium, Scripture and Tradition, before and after Vatican Council II support Fr.Leonard Feeney and the four Catholic professors of theology, who were expelled by Boston College. http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2015/03/dont-blame-vatican-ii.html#comment-1943178630

Exclusivist ecclesiology? The new theology is based on being able to see the dead. Remove the premise, which is, "I can see the dead on earth".We then have the old ecclesiology, the exclusivist ecclesiology. The ecclesiology of Vatican Council II is exclusivist. Since it affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in Ad Gentes 7, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.LG 16,LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 etc are not known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. We are left with the old ecclesiology.

Who agrees with you? 
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html

DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigion http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/implicit-intention-invincible-ignorance.html#links


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JUNE 22, 2020

"Io credo", l'intervista integrale a Papa Francesco :ci sono due interpretazioni del Credo.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/06/io-credo-lintervista-integrale-papa.html



JUNE 24, 2020

Quindi chi dirà ai due papi che interpretano i credi con eresia?
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/06/quindi-chi-dira-ai-due-papi-che.html


JUNE 24, 2020




Papa Francesco interpreta i Credi con una false premessa, inferenza e conclusione. Non era cosi nel corso dei secoli.