Wednesday, June 15, 2022

How can Lumen Gentium 16 an invisible person be a practical exception for EENS ?

 




-Lionel Andrades




Pope Francis criticizes the traditionalists for not accepting Vatican Council II interpreted with the Red Column while he does not accept Vatican Council II, interpreted with the Rational Premise, the Blue Column.

 


The Red Column, has to be rejected. Vatican Council II interpreted with the Rational Premise, the Blue Column, has to be accepted.

In general Catholics, like Pope Francis accept Vatican Council II interpreted with the False Premise. So there is a break with Tradition.

Pope Francis accepts this False Interpretation and the conservatives do not.













































                                                                                                          

But both are using the same False Premise, the Red Column.

So Pope Francis criticizes the traditionalists for not accepting Vatican Council II interpreted with the Red Column while he does not accept Vatican Council II, interpreted with the Rational Premise, the Blue Column.




The conservatives do not ask him to accept Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise, the Blue Column. They do not ask the Apostolic Visitors, seminary professors and leaders of the lay religious communities to also only accept Vatican Council II interpreted with the Rational Premise, the Blue Column.

According to reason, honesty and tradition, the Church today should only accept Vatican Council II interpreted with the Rational Premise, the Blue Column. There really is no other choice.










But the Lefebvrists, for example, do not want to do this. Since then they will have to affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no exceptions and so will be persecuted by the Left. Their websites etc will be targeted.




So now they project a liberal image for the Left by interpreting the Council like the liberals. -Lionel Andrades





Pope Francis claims ‘non-acceptance’ of Vatican II is the Church’s ‘current problem’

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-claims-non-acceptance-of-vatican-ii-is-the-churchs-current-problem/

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 JUNE 13, 2022



Pope Francis is still not asking Governments to stop interpreting Vatican Council II with the Red Column and to change to the rational Blue Column. It is unethical.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/06/pope-francis-is-still-not-asking.html





Repost : They cannot point out the same mistake in Traditionis Custode

 

MARCH 6, 2022

They cannot point out the same mistake in Traditionis Custode

 

                                                                                                                                                                                       -Lionel Andrades


DECEMBER 19, 2021

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj must announce that all cardinals, bishops, parish priests, rectors and religious sisters must interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and not the Irrational Premise, as suggested by Traditionis Custode

 

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj,must announce that all cardinals, bishops, parish priests, rectors and religious sisters must interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise and not the Irrational Premise, as suggested by Traditionis Custode.Morally Catholics should not be expected to use a False Premise when a rational alternative is available which is traditional and non schismatic and non heretical.

Traditionis Custode creates division on the Eucharist it supports sacrilege and scandal when it changes the interpretation of Vatican Council II with a False Premise.This creates the New Theology. The New Theology and the old theology are related to who receives the Eucharist. Traditionis Custode interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and then it is cited for giving the Eucharist to the divorced and re-married, Protestants and non Christians.



Traditionis Custode promotes ecclesial division on the Eucharist with the Fake Premise. The laity are obliged to reject it and ask Pope Francis to interpret Vatican Council II rationally. This would be Magisterial.They now have a choice.

The past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church is made obsolete with the use of the Fake Premise.The reasoning of the Fake Premise is  invisible people are physically visible in 1965-2021. Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance), for example, becomes an example of visible salvation outside the Church.So it is claimed that there are practical exceptions for the Athanasius Creed, dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) etc).


If the popes from Paul VI had interpreted Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise there would not be a new ecclesiology, new ecumenism, etc since the Council would support the Athanasius Creed which states ‘Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.’




So now  when a bishop, Parish Priest or Rector,  interprets Vatican Council II with the False Premise instead of the Rational Premise and gives the Eucharist  to non Christians, the laity must know, that he really interprets the Council II irrationallywith the Fake Premise.He also expects them to do the same. This is the message of Traditionis Custode.It interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and creates ecclesial division on the Eucharist.

They must ask the bishops, Parish Priests and Rectors, to reject Traditionis Custode and interpret Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise, this would be Magisterial.They could also ask Pope Francis to do the same. -Lionel Andrades









, DECEMBER 19, 2021

Eucharistic 'reforms' with Vatican Council II interpreted with the False Premise according to Traitionis Custode

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/12/eucharistic-reforms-with-vatican.html




DECEMBER 19, 2021



Traditionis Custode creates division on the Eucharist it supports sacrilege and scandal when it changes the interpretation of Vatican Council II with a False Premise to produce political liberalism in the Church.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/12/traditionis-custode-creates-division-on.html






DECEMBER 18, 2021

Traditionis Custode uses the false premise. Catholics are not obliged to follow it. It is immoral and unethical.This is ecclesial division

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/12/traditionis-custode-uses-false-premise.html



 

 DECEMBER 18, 2021



There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II. Traditionis Custode chooses the wrong one
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/12/there-are-two-interpretations-of.html

DECEMBER 18, 2021

The interpretation of Vatican Council II with a Fake Premise is approved by the Left. It is ideological.It is not Catholic.It cannot be Magisterial since it is based upon an objective error which can still be avoided today

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/12/lionel-refers-to-vatican-council-ii.html

 DECEMBER 16, 2021




In Traditionis Custode Vatican Council II is interpreted without the Rational Premise

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/12/in-traditionis-custode-vatican-council.html

NOVEMBER 30, 2021


Pope Francis, Cardinal Angelo Donatis and Archbishop Arthur Roche maintain restrictions on the Latin Mass based upon their interpretation of Vatican Council II with the False, Irrational Premise

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/11/pope-francis-cardinal-angelo-donatis.html

NOVEMBER 29, 2021

Archbishop Arthur Roche refers to the old and new Magisterium with reference to Vatican Council II and the Latin Mass.But now we know that there is a Ratonal and Irrational Premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and Roche is using the Fake Premise to create a ‘new magisterium’.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/11/archbishop-arthur-roche-refers-to-old.html





 

MONDAY, JULY 26, 2021

Pope Francis also has chosen the right hand side column : he can correct the error


 


 













































                                                                                                                  -Lionel Andrades

JULY 25, 2021

Traditionis Custode was written with Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise, and so its conclusion was non traditional.Pope Francis needs to interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise, affirm Tradition and permit the Latin and Novus Ordo freely for those who do the same.


 

The whole Church is using a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and the whole Church can change.

Every Catholic must interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise( blue column) and not the irrational premise( red column).


It is divisive and dishonest to use the common fake premise to interpret Vatican Council II and then reject Catholic Tradition( Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, EENS etc).

The SSPX, FSSP, CMRI,ICKSP,MHFM and the religious communities and Catholic organisations all use the irrational premise to interpret Vatican Council II.They also interpret other Magisterial documents with the same error.The same mistake is made by the ecclesiastics at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the present two popes.


So for Pope Francis to be Magisterial  in the Church Documents he issues, he needs to use the rational premise.It would be dishonest to continue to use the irrational option to create an artificial rupture with Tradition.

Traditionis Custode was written with Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise, and so its conclusion was non traditional.

Pope Francis needs to interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise, affirm Tradition and permit the Latin and Novus Ordo freely for  those who do the same.

Now he is interpreting Vatican Council II with the irrational premise, he rejects Tradition as expected.

The he only allows Holy Mass to be offered by those who make the same objective and factual error as himself.

Pope Francis must be asked to issue a correction. -Lionel Andrades