The sovereignists in Italy are interpreting Vatican Council II and Church Documetns with the False Premise like the Left and they create a break between Church and State. They interpret Vatican Council II like George Soros and not me.

 

Matteo Salvini’s Lega political party held a meeting in Rome recently it was reported.There was also one in Milan. There were video conferences with Viktor Orban in Hungary and Mateuoz Morawicki in Poland. The media call them  sovereignists as opposed to globalists.The Lega is still aligned with Marine Le Pen in France and Alternative fur Deutschland in Germany.

The sovereignists who are committed to Christian culture and the belief in God are opposed by the globalists, committed to Satan, the Masons and other preparing for the coming of the Anti Christ in the these end times.

Globalism should have Christ as its center, since Christ is God, ruler of the universes and the world.Christ must not only be at the center of our hearts but also of society, culture and legislation.Tomorrow we celebrate the feast of Christ the King, King of the universe.

But the sovereignists in Italy are interpreting Vatican Council II and Church Documents like the globalists. They use the False Premise like the Left and then create a break between Church and State. They interpret Vatican Council II like George Soros and not me.

If like me they interpreted Vatican Council II then the Council would support the historical Castholic culture and Tradition in Europe.

Now without the support of the Catholic heirarcy  and the popes  the sovereignists are handing power to Satan.

The Kingship of Jesus does not extend, for example, to LGBT rights.

So how do they take it all back ?

They respond with a philosophical observation which avoids the common mistake in the Leftist Catholic theology. They announce that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance in 2021.They follow the recent example of  Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall.

With this announcement the sovereignists in Europe will have the hierarchy of the Catholic Church having to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so support them.

This could be the common policy with Mateuz Morewicke in Poland and Marine le Pen in France.With Victor Orban it would working for the Social Reign of Christ the King in society.It would mean Cardinal Peter Erdo  would have to interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the the exclusivist understanding of salvation as held by St.Elizabeth of Hungary, whose feast was celebrated the other day in the Catholic Church.

Salvini has decided that the sovereignists will stay within the European Union . But do they stay as Catholics who  interpret Vatican Council II with a Rational or False Premise ? What is the approach to religion and the Catholic faith ? Is it the same as the European Union ? Will it be Lefebvrist and liberal ? The Lefebvrist interpretation of Vatican Council II is supported by the liberals in the European Union.

They cannot use the Lefevrist and liberal model of theology.

It is because of Lefebvrist theology on salvation that the Lega leaders are not proclaiming the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics in harmony with Vatican Council II.

The Fake Premise creates exceptions and so makes traditional exclusivist doctrine obsolete. It is asked : why proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all legislation, with Traditional Mission based on exclusivist doctrine and the non separation of Church and State, when Vatican Council II says outside the Church there is salvation, according to the Lefebvrists, liberals and popes ?

Presently the popes use the False Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents and so are heretical, schismatic,non Magisterial and non traditional on the Council.It has to be this way for them, since they use the False Premise. This can be avoided with the use of the Rational Premise and then they will have the hermeneutic of continuity and they will be Magisterial.

The Lefebvrist Roberto dei Mattei and his media is not corrrectng the poltical interpretation of Vatican Council II and is not informing the conservative politicians in Italy about their error.

The Lega, Fratelli Italia and other political parties interpret Vatican Council II as a break with the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King and this has to corrected.

They simply look at LG 8, LG 16 etc as being hypothetical and every thing else comes in line. -Lionel Andrades

NOVEMBER 20, 2016

When we get rid of the Rahnerian theology to interpret Vatican Council II then Catholics in general can know the importance of the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation : Feast of Christ the King

When we get rid of the Rahnerian theology to interpret Vatican Council II then Catholics in general can know the importance of the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation. They will know that they should vote for only those political parties which hold Jesus and his teachings in the Catholic Church as a model for all politics and social legislation.

The Rahnerian theology is based on imaginary cases being non imaginary, invisible cases are visible. It is with this irrational premise that most Catholics interpret Vatican Council II.They assume that the baptism of desire for example refers to a visible case in 2016 without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. So naturally this visible case would be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the 16th century missionaries.
So for most Catholics there is salvation outside the Church, there is known salvation outside the Church. So it is no more necessary to have an ecumenism of return or that all non Catholics enter the Church for salvation.Similarly it is no more necessary that all political and social legislation have as its centre Jesus Christ.It is with this heresy in ignorance that Catholics, including popes, cardinals and bishops, vote for secular parties whose agenda in general has as its model Satan and his priorities.
On the feast of Christ the King we see that the majority of Catholic lay people and religious including ecclesiastics do not vote for Catholic political parties which support the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation.Instead they vote for secular political organisations.
They do not believe that Jesus Christ as known in the Catholic Church must be at the centre of all political and social legislation.

They do not believe that all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation(Vatican Council II, Ad Gentes 7).So to avoid the fires of Hell all need to formally enter the Church,is not more the priority in social and political legislation. Even the popes, cardinals and bishops do not believe in this any more. This is why in Italy the majority of Catholics vote for political parites like the Partito Democratico, Alleanza Nationale etc which do not support the Social Reign of Christ the King.
Instead the popes and cardinals have accepted the New Theology of Rahner and Ratzinger which suggests that there is known salvation outside the Church.This is their view even though there is no known salvation, practically known, outside the Church. Neither has any one in the past seen personally someone saved outside the Church.
Yet this is how Vatican Council II is interpreted. Since there is known salvation of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance without the baptism of water, there is no more the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Since the dogma on exclusive salvation does not practically exist any more there is no more an ecumenism of return.

Since there is alleged known salvation outside the Church it is not necessary that the Social Reign of Christ the King be a priority for the popes and Catholics. People are saved in their religions even if they are not Catholic.
This Rahnerian theology is also accepted by the SSPX and the other traditionalists.

So Catholics today do not feel obligated, in Italy for example, to vote for Militia Christi or Forza Nuova.-Lionel Andrades


November 19, 2016

On the feast of Christ the King we see that the majority of Catholic lay people and religious including ecclesiastics do not vote for Catholic political parties which support the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation.Instead they vote for secular political organisations

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/on-feast-of-christ-king-we-see-that.html

MONDAY, DECEMBER 4, 2017

Repost :Social Reign of Christ the King can be seen based on Cushingite or Feeneyite theology, Vatican Council II with the false premise or without it.

NOVEMBER 26, 2017

The Social Reign of Christ the King can be seen based on Cushingite or Feeneyite theology, Vatican Council II with the false premise or without it.

The Social Reign of Christ the King can be seen based on Cushingite or Feeneyite theology, Vatican Council II with the false premise or without it.One does not have to be a traditionalist who rejects Vatican Council II(premise-free).Traditionalists should not reject Vatican Council II( premise-free).

Yes reject Vatican Council II(Cushingite)which would infer that there is known salvation outside the Church and so the past ecclesiology of the Church is rejected upon which is based the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King.Vatican Council (Cushingite) must continue to be rejected by the traditionalists. All Catholics should reject it.

For me the Social Reign of Christ the King means encouraging every one to be Catholic, without forcing them.So the political laws must be based on traditional Catholic doctrine and theology.Outside the Church there is no known salvation.So it is important for every one to save their soul and be a member of the Catholic Church.Vatican Council II states all need faith and baptism for salvation(Ad Gentes 7)

Catholics should only vote for Catholic political parties which affirm the Social Reign of Christ the King based on Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II.
This is extra ecclesiam nulla salus without the premise and Vatican Council II without the premise.

In the CMTV Download program on the Social Reign of Christ the King it is said every one does not need to be a Catholic. Bradley Eli interpretsextra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II with Cushingite theology.So for him the baptism of desire etc as refers to known examples of people saved outside the Church.Known? Where are these known examples? So since for him and the CMTV team, and the rest of Detroit, there are known exceptions to the traditional exclusivisit theology of the Catholic Church, every one does not need to be a member of the Church for salvation. So proclaiming the Social Reign of Christ the King, with their new theology,Cushingite theology, is not a priority in a pluralistic state for them.

Santo Rosario dalla Collina delle Apparizioni - Medjugorje 20 novembre 2021

There is no denial from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.They agree with me!

 

SATURDAY, MAY 8, 2021

Repost : No denial from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.They agree with me!

 

MAY 7, 2021

There is no denial from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.They agree with me!

 There is no denial from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.They agree with me!They agree with me, when I write that Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not Magisterial on Vatican Council II and the Creeds, Catechisms etc, since they interpret them with the false premise, instead of without it, they use the irrational red passages instead of the rational blue ones, so they create an artificial hermeneutic of rupture when there really is a continuity with Tradition if they would avoid the false premise, inference and conclusion.

So Bishop Robert Barron received the million dollar Templeton Foundation since he used the  false premise to interpret Vatcian Council II. 

Prof. Alberto Melloni would not continue to receive a million euros from the Italian government,  if he had used the blue passages to interpret Vatican Council II. 

Ralph Martin remains on the Vatican offices for the New Evangelisation  since he chooses to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise, which is not Magisterial.This was approved by Pope Benedict. 

The Holy Spirit guides the teaching authority of the Catholic Church and we  refer to this as the Magisterium. 

The Holy Spirit cannot guide the Church to choose a false premise and make an objective error in observation, which results in a break with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church and a rupture with the Creeds and Catechisms and Tradition in general. There cannot be a development of doctrine based upon a fake premise. This is deception or human error.It is not the teaching of the Holy Spirit. -Lionel Andrades

 APRIL 14, 2021

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational option

 

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion ( red passages below) instead of the rational option( blue passages below).

To be Magisterial they need to interpret Vatican Council II with 'the blue passages'.

The Holy Spirit cannot make an objective mistake and choose 'the red passages'. -Lionel Andrades

Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference

They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion

Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise

LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference

They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion

Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/there-is-no-denial-from-congregation.html

Lionel Andrades

Catholic lay man in Rome,

Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?

Blog: Eucharist and Mission

E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

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SUNDAY, OCTOBER 11, 2020

For Cardinal Ladaria Lumen Gentium 8 was an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS)at the Plaquet Deo Press Conference 2016.So he has changed the meaning of the Creeds, Catechisms and Vatican Council II. This is official irrationality and heresy from the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

 For Cardinal Ladaria Lumen Gentium 8 was an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS)at the Plaquet Deo Press Conference 2016.So he has changed the meaning of the Creeds, Catechisms and Vatican Council II. This is official irrationality and heresy from the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.-Lionel Andrades 

OCTOBER 11, 2020

The ecclesiastics would agree that this is all heresy. They are not Feeneyites.There is no denial from them.

 Extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) has exceptions for Cardinal Luiz Ladaria and Archbishop Morandi and Di Noia.So the baptism of desire (BOD) and invincible ignorance (I.I) are visible for them to be exceptions.Hypothetical and theoretical cases of the BOD and I.I would be objective exceptions to EENS. These ecclesiastics of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) are Cushingites and not Feeneyites.

So the Athanasius Creed has exceptions!It says all need Catholic faith for salvation and the CDF says ,'No not all. There are exceptions'.This would be heresy in the 16th century.Heresy with the use of a false premise.

In the Nicene Creed we pray, 'One baptism for the forgiveness of sins'.Now it is three known baptisms, blood, ignorance and desire.They all exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. This is what makes them exceptions to EENS.So this is innovation.It is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed.

The Apostles Creed indicates the Holy Spirit guides the Church to say outside the Church there is known salvation. When all these centuries the Holy Spirit taught the Church that outside the Church there is no salvation.This is a big change in theology.

For the CDF, in Vatican Council II, LG 16 is a rupture with EENS. For me there is no rupture. So this is a peculiar interpretation of the Council by the CDF. They use the false premise to interpret LG 16 and then reject EENS.This would be a heretical interpretation of Vatican Council II for me.

With the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X would contradict itself. Invincible ignorance mentioned in the Catechism would contradict Feeneyite 24Q and 27 Q.Cardinal Ladaria and the Archbishops use a false premise to interpret invincible ignorance.

The ecclesiastics would agree that this is all heresy. They are not Feeneyites.There has been no denial. -Lionel Andrades

OCTOBER 10, 2020

Presently all Cardinal Luiz Ladaria's books, articles and thesis on Vatican Council II and Church Ecclesiology are written with a false premise, false inference and non traditional conclusion. He needs to resign as the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The International Theological Commission should be closed down. He is protected by the liberal media. They do not want the Church to return to the past, theologically.

OCTOBER 10, 2020

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, needs to resign. At the Plaquet Deo Press Conference(2016) he presented Lumen Gentium 8 as an exception to 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. This was when he was asked a question by an AP reporter.She wanted to know if the Church still taught that it had a superiority and exclusivness in salvation. This was subterfuge from Cardinal Ladaria, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

 OCTOBER 10, 2020

Archbishops Morandi and Di Noia , Secretaries of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, used the false premise in the interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (847-848). The Catechism of the Catholic Church(847-848-invincible ignorance) is speculative.It is always a reference to a speculative and theoretical case

 

Archbishops Morandi and Di Noia , Secretaries of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, used the false premise in the interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (847-848). The Catechism of the Catholic Church(847-848-invincible ignorance) is speculative.It is always a reference to a  speculative and theoretical case.

It is not a practical exception  to the Athanasius Creed or 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) of the Jesuit missionaries.

They Archbishop-Secretaries of the CDF ended the dialogue with Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior at the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire.He was not allow to come to Rome to discuss the issue.The Judicial Vicar of the diocese imposed sanctions.The CDF knew that their theological position was political.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made an objective error.

 In principle hypothetical cases  were considered objective exceptions to EENS, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.. -Lionel Andrades

13, 2021

The Department of Theology at the Pontifical University St. John Lateran, Rome have been informed that there are two options in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and they are using the irrational one

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/the-department-of-theology-at.html

APRIL 13, 2021

The faculty at the Augustine Institute, Graduate School, Colorado interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a rupture with Catholic orthodoxy and then they claim on their website that they teach orthodoxy

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/the-faculty-at-augustine-institute.html

APRIL 13, 2021

There are articles/reports on Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise on the website of the traditionalists. They are there on the websites of the Most Holy Family Monastery, Catholicism.org,Most Holy Trinity Seminary,Novus Ordo Watch, Rorate Caeili, Remnant News, Correspondenza Romano etc. They need to be corrected

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/there-are-articlesreports-on-vatican.html

APRIL 13, 2021

Repost : Padre Pio Prayer Groups, Neo Catechumenal Way, Charismatic Renewal, all the religious communities, Diocesan priests... the SSPX Archbishop Gerhard Muller and Archbishop Augustine Di Noia

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/repost-padre-pio-prayer-groups-neo.html

 APRIL 13, 2021

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican is not magisterial on Vatican Council II since he interprets the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational and traditional option, in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church.

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-prefect-of_13.html

APRIL 13, 2021

Bishop Steven J.Lopes interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise, inference and conclusion.He would also be interpreting the Creeds and Catechisms with the same irrationality. This is an irregular issue. It is a canonical issue : he excommunicated Fr. Vaughn Treco for supporting Tradition and opposing the false interpretation of Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/bishop-steven-jlopes-interprets-vatican.html

APRIL 13, 2021

All the books on Vatican Council II on display at the Society of St. Pius X (Fraternita Sacerdotale San Pio X) center in Albano, Italy are written with the false premise. New books need to be written on the Council, interpreted without the irrational premise, inference and conclusion   https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/all-books-on-vatican-council-ii-on.html

 APRIL 12, 2021

Repost . The red is not an exception to the blue' : new extraordinary understanding of Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/repost-red-is-not-exception-to-blue-new.html

 APRIL 12, 2021

Feeneyites do not have to deny the baptism of desire since BOD is always invisible and hypothetical, it never was a practical exception to EENS

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/feeneyites-do-not-have-to-deny-baptism.html

APRIL 12, 2021

Most of the material on Vatican Council II at the office of Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican Secretary of State and also at the library of the St. John Lateran University, Rome, is now obsolete

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/most-of-material-on-vatican-council-ii_53.html

APRIL 12, 2021

Most of the material on Vatican Council II on the Most Holy Family Monastery, USA website is now obsolete. It is the same for the Vatican websites

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/most-of-material-on-vatican-council-ii_12.html

APRIL 12, 2021

Most of the material on Vatican Council II on the SSPX websites is now obsolete

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/most-of-material-on-vatican-council-ii.html

APRIL 11, 2021

There is the Augustine Institute, Graduate School in Colorado, USA and there is the St. Augustine Institute of Wisdom, at the St. Benedict Center,New Hampshire,USA. I would recommend the latter

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/there-is-augustine-instiute-graduate.html

APRIL 11, 2021

Fr. Leonard Feeney, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Archbishop Pierre Thuc did not know that Vatican Council II could be interpreted without the false premise, inference and conclusion

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/for-fr-leonard-feeney-and-archbishop.html

APRIL 10, 2021

All these years the main line media in the USA and Europe have criticized Lefebvre and Feeney. What will they now do when they discover that Vatican Council II supports the two traditionalists ?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/all-these-years-main-line-media-in-usa.html

 APRIL 9, 2021

Why should the readers of the Most Holy Family Monastery(MHFM) website interpret Vatican Council II like Michael and Peter Dimond and not like me ?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/why-should-readers-of-most-holy-family.html

 APRIL 9, 2021

The interpretation of Magisterial documents by the present two popes would be different from that of the popes before 1930,who did not use the false premise. The popes at that time were Feeneyites. Today they are Cushingites

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/the-interpretation-of-magisterial.html

 APRIL 9, 2021

It was not known to Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Fr. Leonard Feeney : Vatican Council II is in harmony with 16th century EENS. There is no ' development of doctrine' 

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/it-was-not-known-to-archbishop-marcel.html

APRIL 8, 2021

Repost : The Boston Heresy Case refers historic magisterial heresy in the Catholic Church

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/repost-boston-heresy-case-refers.html

APRIL 8, 2021

Without the irrational premise the Council supports Tradition and the suspended priests. The Council without the false premise supports the priests and not the bishops : Ferrara-Commacchio, Italy and Mons. Luigi Negri

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/without-irrational-premise-council.html

APRIL 7, 2021

If Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre interpreted Vatican Council II without the false premise in 1965 there would be no liberal-traditionalist division in the Catholic Church today

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/if-archbishop-marcel-lefebvre.html

APRIL 7, 2021

Repost : Robert Kennedy asked Richard Cushing to suppress Fr. Leonard Feeney

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/repost-robert-kennedy-asked-richard.html

APRIL 6, 2021

When it is said that Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and Catholic Tradition, this is a conclusion. The premise is that there are physically visible cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance.Otherwise there could not be exceptions. But this is a false premise

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/when-it-is-said-that-lumen-gentium-16.html

MARCH 14, 2021

So why did Vatican Council II mention salvation outside the Church, when there is no known salvation outside the Church?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/03/so-why-did-vatican-council-ii-mention.html

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/pope-francis-and-pope-benedict-are-not.html

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MAY 4, 2021

Pope Francis' message on Catechetics is based upon the non Magisterial interpretation of Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( CCC 845,846,1257 etc). If he did not use the false premise, the ecclesiology of the Catholic Church would be the same before and after Vatican Council II and so would Catechetics

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/pope-francis-message-on-catechetics-is.html

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THERE CAN BE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE APOSTLES CREED AND THE NICENE CREED. 

How do you interpret the Apostles Creed at Holy Mass ?

There are two options, one rational and the other irrational, one traditional and the other non traditional, one heretical and the other non heretical, one schismatic and the other not a rupture with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Most Catholics choose the irrational version which is not prohibited by the popes, cardinals and bishops.

" I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" - Apostles Creed

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict 

1. Do you say in church, at Holy Mass when the Creed is prayed, " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Catholic Church there is salvation, known salvation, there are visible non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water and so there is no communion with the saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed etc  ? 

Or,

Lionel:

2. Do you say in church at Mass , "I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and then mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Church there is no known salvation, there are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so there is  communion with the saints - Francis of Assisi, Ignatius of Loyola, Francis Xavier, Catherine of Siena, Maximillian Kolbe etc - on extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with no exceptions, like in the 16th century) the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return), Quas Primas of Pope Pius XI on the Proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation etc ?

THERE ARE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE NICENE CREED. WHICH ONE IS YOURS ?

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins - Nicene Creed

Lionel : 

1. There is one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water. It is physically visible and repeatable.

Or.

For Pope Francis and Pope Benedict  

2.There are more than three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins, they are known baptisms, personally visible. They are the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. They exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so are practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as explained in the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It was referenced also in Vatican Council II(Lumen Gentium 16).

When Pope Francis and Pope Benedict avoid the false premise, inference and conclusion their interpretation of the Creeds will be Magisterial and in harmony with the past Magisterium. There would be no hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition. -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/pope-francis-and-pope-benedict-are-not_14.html

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MAY 6, 2021

The Vatican's Congregation for Catholic Education has approved political theology, bad theology.Since the Left wants it for the Catholic Church

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-vaticans-congregation-for-catholic.html

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/there-is-no-denial-from-congregation.html