Often it is the pope who transfers conservative religious. This time it was a lay organisation which transferred liberal religious, in Rome.

 In the parish of Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea, Pope Francis closed down the seminary of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate in Rome.The seminary building and adjoining property is now held by the Comitato dell Immaculata, formed by Fr. Stefano Manelli f.i.

They objected to the presence of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculata.They had been there since Pope Francis shuttered the original seminary of Fr. Manelli.

So the Franciscans Friars of the Immaculate  no more live at Casalotti.They do not any more  offer Holy Mass there.

Often it is the pope who transfers conservative religious. This time it was a lay organisation which had the liberal religious, in Rome,tranferred.

I attend Holy Mass in Italian and affirm Catholic Tradition as a lay Catholic.There is no more a Latin Mass in the parish or even the adjoining area.

I affirm the Athanasius Creed (Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally...).

I affirm the Nicene and Apostles Creed, interpreted without a fake premise. So my interpretation of these two Creeds would be different from that of the present Parish Priest Fr. Francesco Barbosa, of the Brazilian Societa Joselitos Christo.

The Rector of the seminary at Casalotti, was Fr. Rosario Sammarco f.i.He now offers Mass at St.Mary Majors and remains the rector of the seminary in  Tiburtina,Rome.

Fr.Rosario Samarco would reject the Athanasius Creed.He would interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise.It would be the same for the seminarians.It is the same for the Joselitos Chrito priests and the Italian diocesan priests.They are following the instructions of Vatican and the Rome Vicariate. 

I accept Vatican Council II and interpret it without the false premise. So my interpretation of the Council would not be a rupture with Tradition( Athanasius Creed etc).The priests and religious communities in the parish and diocese, interpret the Council with the false premise. So our Profession of Faith will be different. Since our premises are different the Religious will emerge non traditional and I traditional.

I accept the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I).I do not reject them or deny them.For me they refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases only.They can only be hypothetical and theoretical in our human reality.Since if any one was saved with BOD and I.I it would only be known to God.So for me, BOD and I.I are not examples of known people in the present times ( 1965-2021), saved outside the Catholic Church.I cannot meet or see someone saved with BOD or I.I.So when Vatican Council II refers to BOD(LG 14) and I.I(LG 16), it is always a reference to a hypothetical and theoretical case which exists only in our mind.It cannot be a practical exception to EENS, as EENS was known to the Church Fathers and the missionaries in the 16th century.

For me the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake in the Letter to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney.How can BOD and I.I be practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS ?

So our interpretation of BOD and I.I would also be different. I would affirm an EENS with no exceptions and they would affirm an EENS with exceptions.

It is not known how the seminary building will be used. The original community of the Fransciscans Friars of the Immaculate are not seen here.-Lionel Andrades

MAY 13, 2021

Pope Francis had to close down the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary and force the seminarians to study at the pontifical universities in Rome.There they had to interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms with the false premise, inference and non traditional conclusion.They had to accept this leftist, political interpretation of the Council .Now they teach it to others

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/pope-francis-had-to-close-down.html

La Preghiera di tanti è incredibile perchè può cambiare anche la storia-- Testimonianza di don Gianni

Gesù spesso non vediamo le cose veramente importati perché siamo sopraffatti dalle cose terrene

Don Pietro Leone's reports on Vatican Council II posted by Rorate Caeili please the Left

It is as if the weblog Rorate Caeli promotes Don Pietro Leone's reports on Vatican Council II because they are a rupture with Tradition(EENS) to show the liberals and the Left that he is one of them. If Vatican Council II was interpreted without the fake premise and in harmony with the strict interpretation of EENS, they would object.Now they appreciate the posts on Rorate Caeili showing, as the liberal popes believed,that the Council is a rupture with the Athanasius Creed, which says outside the Church there is no salvation.Today so many Catholics still wrongly believe that the Council is a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.

For the traditionalists at the St.Benedict Center, Stll River, MA, USA, Vatican Council II is a rupture with Feeneyite EENS.So they have negated Feeneyite EENS; EENS with no known exceptions, and so have been granted canonical recognition by Bishop Robert McMmanus in the diocese of Worcester, USA.They interpret the Council with the fake premise, like all the religious communities in the diocese. So the common liberalism in the diocese of Worcester comes with the fake premise.It does not depend upon the liturgy.-Lionel Andrades

MAY 30, 2021

Rorate Caeili/Don Pietro Leone are actually promoting the liberal version of Vatican Council II. They choose to interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc with the false premise instead of without it. Of course the conclusion has to be non traditional and they know it

 Rorate Caeili/Don Pietro Leone are actually promoting the liberal version of Vatican Council II. They choose to interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc with the false premise instead of without it. Of course the conclusion has to be non traditional and they know it. -Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/rorate-caeilidon-pietro-leone-are.html

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MAY 28, 2021

Why should Catholics use the false premise and interpret Vatican Council II like Don Pietro Leone, Fr. John Zuhlsdorf,Cardinal Raymond Burke and the new Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship ?

 

THE COUNCIL AND THE ECLIPSE OF GOD - PART X - by Don Pietro Leone : THE CHURCH AND THE NON-CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-council-and-eclipse-of-god-part-x.html

Don Pietro Leone writing on Vatican Council II and other religions on the web blog Rorate Caeili cites Unitatis Redintigratio,the Decree on Ecumenism, as if they are non hypothetical and objective exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in 1965-2021.This is an error in reasoning. His premise is false. So his conclusion has to be non traditional.

A.     Ecumenism in Theory

 

 

Here we consider the ecclesiological status that the Council accords to non-Catholic Christians.

 

     i) ‘…many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside its [the Catholic Church’s] visible confines.’ (Lumen Gentium 8);

 

    ii) ‘all that have been justified by faith in baptism are incorporated into Christ.’(Unitatis Redintegratio 3);

 

    iii) ‘… very many… elements… which go to build up and give life to the church itself can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity; with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements.’ (ibid);

 

    iv) ‘… the separated churches and  communities as such… have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery if salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation…’ (UR 3);

 

    v) [The non-Catholics are]‘brothers and sisters’ … in… ‘imperfect communion with the Catholic Church’… ‘separated brothers and sisters’ (UR 3); 

 

    vi) Amongst the non-Catholic Christians there is ‘a true union in the Holy Spirit’… ‘and He has strengthened some of them even to the shedding of their blood’ (LG 15).

For me the theoretical and speculative lines above (in green) from Unitatis Redintigratio 3 or Lumen Gentium 8 and 15 which he has quoted was a weak attempt by some of the Council Fathers, to eliminate the dogma EENS and the ecumenism of return, of the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.

Why does Leone still have to interpret Vatican Council II with the confusion of the liberals and Lefebvrists ?

So what if Yves Congar and the others were present at Vatican Council II ? If UR 3 and LG 8, LG 14,LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 refer to invisible cases in our reality, then they cannot be practical exceptions to EENS and the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.

But for Leone they are exceptions.Since he has confused UR 3, LG 8 etc as being objective examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church. Real people saved without faith and baptism and who are known to us.This is irrational. There are no such known people. If any one was saved outside the Church it would only be known to God.Yet for Leone Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma EENS.

Why don’t the Lefebvrists, like Leone, affirm the strict interpretation of EENS and not the liberal version, which projects UR 3,LG 8 as being practical exceptions to Tradition in general and exclusive salvation in particular ?.

There are no objective cases of non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church n 1965-2021 and so there cannot be practical exceptions to EENS. There cannot be any mentioned in Vatican Council II, unless of course a false premise continues to be employed.

Why should Catholics use the false premise and interpret Vatican Council II like Don Pietro Leone, Fr. John Zuhlsdorf,Cardinal Raymond Burke and the new Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship ?

Rorate Caeili and Don Leone are really promoting the liberal version of Vatican Council II. They please the Masons who want the Council to be interpreted as a rupture with Catholic Tradition.It is as if Rorate Caeili has to interpet UR 3 as a rupture with an ecumenism of return or the retired Jewish Left profesor at the Angelicum, Rome, will object once again.

The big names at Vatican Council II, who thought they could get rid of the dogma EENS, by employing the error in the Letter of the Holy Ofice 1949, which was overlooked by Pope Pius XII and Pope John XXIII,did not know that there was a built in error.The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance do not refer to objective cases in our time and space.So they never ever were exceptions to EENS or the Athanasius Creed which says outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/why-should-catholics-use-false-premise.html

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Steve Skojec could note what needs to be changed in the FSSP parish

Steve Skojec must know that the FSSP priests in his parish use a fake premise to interpret Vatican Council II.In this way only they could create a New Theology, New Ecumenism,New Evangelisation etc supported by the New Canon Law(1983),supporting the irrationality.This is unethical. It is not Catholic.The FSSP priests in Rome for example, are allowed to offer the Latin Mass at the church Santissima dei Pelligrini, since they use the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms.The result is liberalism.This is appreciated by the Left.There is a New Theology, New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology etc.This is not the Deposit of the Faith but innovation.It is created by confusing what is invisible as being visible and then drawing out false conclusions, non traditional conclusions.This is 'a development of doctrine and dogma' with subterfuge.

Those who do this need to be called out and told to go for Confession.

So if the FSSP priests expects the Skojec family to affirm the New Theology, New Ecumenism etc, it is dishonesty.

When an FSSP priest uses a fake premise to interpet the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I) and Vatican Council II(LG 8, UR 3 etc)it is being dishonesty.

When an FSSP priest affirms the New Theology based upon the false premise, it is dishonesty.

When an FSSP priest supports the New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology, New Evangelisation etc, it is being dishonest.

In each of these cases he has a choice but chooses the irrational alternative, the false premise instead of the rational alternative.

This disohonesty needs to be checked in some way among the FSSP and the liberals.-Lionel Andrades

MAY 31, 2021

The FSSP may offer Mass facing the East and give the Eucharist on the tongue, kneeling, but with the false premise, they are in a big rupture with Tradition and Steve Skojec and his family have to live with it

Steve Skojec on his blog 1Peter5 has written about 'crippled religion' and the contradictions and confusion he faces. It must be the same for Peter Kwasniewki. Since in a report to a seminarian, Kwasniewski writes,on 1Peter5 that Catholic Tradition ended on the eve of the Second Vatican Council II.

Peter Kwasniewski would be having similar confusions and doubts, since like Steve, he interprets all Magisterial documents with a false premise and inference. So his conclusion has to be non traditional. Then they both would wrongly blame Vatican Council II. Even the FSSP priests interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms with the same fake premise and they offer the Latin Mass.

This will not be helpful for Steve and his family. Since assuming he interprets Vatican Council II and Church documents, without the irrationality, he will return to Feeneyite EENS, the Athanasius Creed's outside the Church there is no salvation, with no exceptions, and an ecumenism of return of the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.

This would put him out of step with the FSSP since they are liberal in their ecclesiology( because of the false premise) and are only traditional on the Mass. They interpret Vatican Council II with the New Theology, created with the false premise, just like Pope Francis. But then, also just like Steve Skojec and Peter Kwasniewski.

Fine mess we are all in I would agree.

Steve and Peter will have to interpret VC2 without the false premise. This would make them traditonalists on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, like the St. Benedict Center, Richmond, NH and the Most Holy Family Monastery,New York.

This would be a beginning to make sense in his mind, to clear things up so that there is no hermeneutic of rupture with the past.Neither will Vatican Council II be an issue any more for him. Since when the Council is traditional collegiality, ecumenism and religious liberty are not contradicted

But there still is the problem of the FSSPX parish. They may offer Mass facing the East and give the Eucharist on the tongue,kneeling, but with the false premise, they are in a big rupture with Tradition and Steve and his family have to live with it.-Lionel Andrades

Saying “No” to Crippled Religion

 Steve Skojec May 26, 2021

https://onepeterfive.com/saying-no-to-crippled-religion/