Friday, February 14, 2020

Alexander Tschugguel also interprets Vatican Council II like the faculty of the Department of Theology at the University of Vienna.

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Alexander Tschugguel also interprets Vatican Council II like the faculty of the Department of Theology at the University of Vienna.




If Alessander used the following rational interpretation of Vatican Council II then he could tell the professors at the University of Vienna that outside the Church there is no known salvation is the teaching of Vatican Council II.
Instead Alessander let the professor of theology quote Vatican Council II with the irrational premise, inference and conclusion and conclude that there was salvation outside the Church.



-Lionel Andrades

The Balamand Declaration and the Joint Declaration on Justification with the Lutherans was based upon an irrational premise, inference and conclusion in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, by Cardinal Ratzinger


The Balamand Declaration and the Joint Declaration on Justification with the Lutherans was based upon an irrational premise, inference and conclusion in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, by Cardinal Ratzinger.
 
 

If Vatican Council II was interpreted with the rational premise, inference and conclusion then the Lutherans and Orthodox Christians would be outside the Catholic Church and on the way to Hell. Since there would be nothing in the Council-text to contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
 




JOINT INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION FOR THE THEOLOGICAL DIALOGUE

BETWEEN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THE ORTHODOX CHURCH

ECCLESIOLOGICAL AND CANONICAL CONSEQUENCES

OF THE SACRAMENTAL NATURE OF THE CHURCH

ECCLESIAL COMMUNION, CONCILIARITY AND AUTHORITY
Ravenna, 13 October 2007
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/ch_orthodox_docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20071013_documento-ravenna_en.html

JOINT DECLARATION

ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION

by the Lutheran World Federation

and the Catholic Church 
Preamble  

The Instrumentum Laboris and the final document on the Amazon Synod was based upon an irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II. An irrational premise, inference and conclusion was used by Cardinal Hummes and the cardinals and bishops to interpret the Council as a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( which has no exceptions), the Athanasius Creed ( outside the Church there is no salvation with no exceptions) and the Catechism of Pope Pius X( 24 Q and 27 Q -outside the Church no salvation with invincible ignorance not being an exception).


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The  Instrumentum Laboris  and the final document on the Amazon Synod was based upon an irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II. An irrational premise, inference and conclusion was used by Cardinal Hummes and the cardinals and bishops to interpret the Council as a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( which has no exceptions), the Athanasius Creed ( outside the Church there is no salvation with no exceptions) and the Catechism of Pope Pius X( 24 Q and 27 Q -outside the Church no salvation with invincible ignorance not being an exception).
Instead for the Amazon Synod cardinals and bishops there was no more exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church since LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc though unknown, theoretical and hypothetical in reality were interpreted as being exceptions to the traditional teaching on no salvation outside the Church. So it was implied that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc refer to visible and not invisible cases for them to be exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church. It was implied with the false premise, that unknown cases of being saved in invincible ignorance in the present times, were known exception to Feeneyite EENS.
So with this irrationality a Working Paper was produced.
Pope Benedict and Cardinal Hummes need to acknowledge that Vatican Council II can be intepreted with the rational premise, inference and conclusion and there would be no rupture with the dogma EENS, the Catechism of Pope Pius X and the Athansius Creed.


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The popes can choose, if they wanted, to go back to the old ecclesiology of St. Francis of Assisi, St. Bonaventure, St. Dominic, St. Catherine of Siena, St. Ignatius of Loyola, St. Francis Xavier, St. Robert Bellarmine....


The Franciscans all over the world still interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors and the Athanasius Creed when there really is no rupture but a continuity with Tradition.It is the same with the Jesuits and Dominicans.
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When Pope Francis referred to Vatican Counci II in Querida Amazonia ("Beloved Amazon"),he had in mind a Vatican Council II which was a rupture with 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and not a continuity,not  a support. So Pope Francis  cannot really recommend a pagan artificat to be placed on the altar in the name of Vatican Council II. Since he is referring to Vatican Council II interpreted with ,and not without , a false premise, inference and conclusion.This is deception. It is unethical. It is a lie and yet this is the interpretation of Vatican Council II by  the Franciscans, Dominicans and Jesuits.They are now are going to continue with this all over the world until the abomination of desolation makes its appearance on the altar at Mass.It could even be placed in the tabernacle with the Eucharist, by a married priest of the Amazon Rite, like they have married priests in the Anglican Ordinariate approved by Pope Benedict.
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This could be the future in Italy where the Eucharist at Mass is given to everyone.This  was confirmed by Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo,the other day and none of the present two popes objected.
Cardinal Sarah, who interprets Vatican Council II in the old way is working on the new rite for the Amazon,  where the shaman could also be a woman the Amazon Synod demonstrated.
When Pope Francis chooses not to interpret Vatican Council II in his old way, and chooses the rational version, he will be saying all the non Catholics in the Amazon are going to fires of Hell, when they die without 'faith and baptism(AG 7), along with their pagan beliefs.
But will Pope Francis interpret Vatican Council II rationally when it has a 'troumphalistic ' conclusion ?
The popes, cardinals and bishops cannot continue to interpret Vatican Council II  with the irrational premise, inference and conclusion to create a rupture with the ecclesiology of the Middle Ages, including that of the Amazon, when the missionaries first went there.
It is only over the last 55 years since Vatican Council II and 81 years since the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston that the false premise, inference and conclusion is being used and it can be avoided.The average Catholic can choose to interpret Vatican Council II  without the false premise, inference and conclusion and put down the Letter (1949) as an objective mistake of the liberals.
Then we are back to the old ecclesiology of  St. Francis of Assisi, St.Bonaventure, St. Dominic, St. Catherine of Siena, St. Ignatius of Loyola, St. Francis Xavier, St. Robert Bellarmine ....
We can read books on thier sprituality and it would be relevant for the post Vatican Council II Church, which interprets the Council rationally.So we could still have S. Teresa of Avila's ecumenism of return for the Lutherans, St. Francis Xavier's outside the church there is no salvation and all non  Catholics in general are on the way to Hell and not only those who know about Jesus and the Church and - St. John of the Cross' Ascent of Mt. Carmel towards mystical union with God, in our life time.
The priority would be as it was known to the popes over the centuries- the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics and the non separation of Church and State.
This is all possible with a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance being hypothetical cases only and so not practical exceptions to the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.All this has been put aside by Pope Francis and his Synods.
The popes can choose, if they wanted, to go back to the old ecclesiology of St. Francis of Assisi, St. Bonaventure, St. Dominic, St. Catherine of Siena, St. Ignatius of Loyola, St. Francis Xavier, St. Robert Bellarmine....
-Lionel Andrades








February 13, 2020


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 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/embassies-of-poland-hungary-slovakia.html

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