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Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with a False Premise to create a break with the Syllabus of Errors. This is being dishonest. He needs to correct the mistake










Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with the False Premise and not the Rational Premise. This is dishonest.





By confusing what is invisible as being visible: the common irrationality, he interprets the Council-text. Then he produces an artificial break with Tradition. This was also done by Pope Benedict. His bad theology depended upon the False Premise. The result was modernism and liberalism, which was approved by the Left.





CATHOLICS DO NOT KNOW THEOLOGY

But the rank and file Catholic who do not know this deceptive theology, also did not know the Catholic Faith. Catholics were told that the Church had changed its teachings on Vatican Council II. This was not true. They were told that the Church no more teaches the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation (extra ecclesiam nulla salus).The dogmas have been put aside with Vatican Council II. Bishops and theologians supported the liberalism. They said that the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX was obsolete. This was the official narrative of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), Vatican. But now it is known that only with the False Premise is there a break with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. Now we have a breakthrough, a return to the past ecclesiology. We have identified the False Premise. So now it is simple and easy to come back to the past ecclesiocentrism.



WE CAN CREATE THE HERMENEUTIC OF CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION

The False Premise is created by confusing what is invisible as being visible. This is a fact. It is now a given. So we can, at will, choose the hermeneutic of continuity or rupture with Tradition. We do not have to listen to the archbishops of the CDF.

The Rational Premise which was used by the popes and saints over the centuries, and which produced the old theology, sees invisible cases as being invisible only.

The popes from Paul VI however have been using the False Premise to interpret Vatican Council II, irrationally. They could have chosen the Rational Premise and supported Catholic Tradition. There would be no development of doctrine.




THE COUNCIL IS ALWAYS REFERRING TO HYPOTHETICAL CASES ONLY, ALWAYS

LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, always refers to hypothetical and speculative cases only. Always. So the Council is always referring to invisible and theoretical cases only.

There are no practical examples of non Catholics saved outside the Church. If someone is saved as such it would only be known to God.

So LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc do not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS in 2022.There are no practical examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church.



FALSE PREMISE USED BY THE INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION

However in two papers, of the International Theological Commission, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and Fr. Luiz Ladaria sj., projected Lumen Gentium 16 etc as being exceptions for Feeneyite EENS. 2

They used the False Premise. LG 16 (invincible ignorance) was seen as referring to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. This was the big one! From here they took off with their New Theology! The SSPX had to accept Vatican Council II interpreted with the False Premise, for canonical recognition. It was a doctrinal-must said Pope Benedict. 1

They were drawing upon the error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO). The LOHO was referenced in Vatican Council II with its objective mistake. It was also inserted in the Denzinger, with the error.


THE COUNCIL FATHERS USED THE FALSE PREMISE

The Council Fathers, Rahner, Ratzinger, Cushing etc, were using the False Premise, officially and in public. Since the mistake was not corrected by Pope Pius XII in the LOHO. The LOHO was issued some time after the creation of Israel as a state.

They were all interpreting the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as referring to physically visible cases in the present times. But the baptism of desire always refers to an unknown and hypothetical case. The norm for salvation is faith and the baptism of water (AG 7, LG 14).It is not a visible case of the baptism of desire. We cannot see or meet any one saved with the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance or baptism of blood, without the baptism of water.

But it was inferred by the popes that we humans could see these cases in real life and this was called magisterial.


It was only because they were seen as being physically visible that they could be projected as being exceptions for the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.

No one saw a St.Emerentiana in Heaven. Yes she is a saint but no one on earth could claim that she was a practical exception for the dogma EENS. We do not know of anyone who will go to Heaven today like Dismas the Good Thief.

So with this confusion between what is invisible and visible, the ecclesiastics could reject the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology.


ONLY WITH THE FALSE PREMISE THERE COULD BE A NEW ECUMENISM

It was only with there being known salvation outside the Church that there could be a New Ecumenism, since EENS was made obsolete and there was an ecumenism of return to the Catholic Church.

Only with there being physically visible cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church that there could be a New Ecclesiology.

Since there was allegedly known non Catholics saved outside the Church, traditional Mission, based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church was rejected. Pope Benedict indicated that Vatican Council II said that there was known salvation outside the Church ( Avvenire). So he asked why should there be mission. Similarly the popes no more proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics. Vatican Council II interpreted by confusing what is invisible as being visible, produces ‘practical exceptions’ for EENS. It is EENS which is the theological basis for the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation (Quas Primas).

But Cardinal Muller as the Prefect of the CDF did not celebrate an anniversary, a milestone for the Syllabus of Errors. Since he rejects the Syllabus with Vatican Council II interpreted with the False Premise.It was the same with Pope Benedict.



JESUITS DO NOT CELEBRATE ST.FRANCIS XAVIER'S 400TH ANNIVERSARY

Similarly the Jesuits did not celebrate the 400th  anniversary of the canonisation of St. Francis Xavier, since there are practical exceptions for Xavier’s concept of EENS.

Without confusing what is invisible as being visible Pope Francis would have to affirm the strict interpretation of EENS, like the St. Benedict Centers in the USA and the founders of the Jesuit community.

CDF DEMANDS USE OF THE FALSE PREMISE

 Instead the CDF and the Diocese of Manchester, USA have issued a Decree of Precepts and Prohibitions against the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire, for not choosing to interpret Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and EENS ( baptism of desire etc)  with the False Premise. They are saying that St. Ignatius of Loyola, St. Thomas Aquinas and the other saints, who used the Rational Premise, are obsolete with Vatican Council II (Irrational).

DISHONEST INTERPRETATION BY THE CDF

The Archbishop-Secretaries of the CDF would have to use the False Premise to be modernist, heretical and schismatic. Since only with the False Premise they do not have to affirm the Syllabus of Errors and the Athanasius Creed.

The Jesuits expelled Fr. Leonard Feeney since he would not interpret the baptism of desire etc with the False Premise and create practical exceptions for traditional EENS. Boston College also expelled Catholic professors, only because they would not confuse invisible cases as being visible. Pope Francis is a Jesuit and an apology is due.

In the Boston Heresy case it was Archbishop Richard Cushing who was using the False  Premise and who was in heresy and schism and not Fr. Leonard Feeney. Today Cardinal Sean O’Malley the Archbishop of Boston still uses the False Premise to interpret Magisterial Documents.

The use of the False Premise i.e. confusing what is invisible as being visible and then inferring that there are practical exceptions for the Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors etc, is dishonest. -Lionel Andrades





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3.2 In his letter "concerning the remission of the excommunication of the four Bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre", of March 10, 2009, Pope Benedict XVI wrote to the bishops: "The fact that the Society of Saint Pius X does not possess a canonical status in the Church is not, in the end, based on disciplinary but on doctrinal reasons. As long as the Society does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church" [suspensio a divinis].









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Now see the errors of the International Theological Commission (ITC).

International Theological Commission (ITC)

10. Exclusivist ecclesiocentrism—the fruit of a specific theological system or of a mistaken understanding of the phrase extra ecclesiam nulla salus—is no longer defended by Catholic theologians after the clear statements of Pius XII and Vatican Council II on the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the Church (cf, e.g., LG 16; GS 22).-International Theological Commission, Christianity and the World Religions 1997. (1)

Lionel:
‘Pope Pius XII and Vatican Council II has clearly said that those who do not belong visibly to the Church can be saved.’

To be an exception to the exclusive interpretation of the dogma those who do not belong visibly to the Church would have to be known.

Where does Vatican Council II or Pope Pius state that we know these exceptions personally or that they are explicit exceptions to the dogma?. Pope Benedict and Bishop Gerhard Muller just assumed these cases are known to us and so are exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma.

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,Vatican and Archbishop Augustine Di Noia, Vice President of Ecclesia Dei were also associated with the ITC.

International Theological Commission (ITC)

58. In the face of new problems and situations and of an exclusive interpretation of the adage: “salus extra ecclesiam non est”,[88] the magisterium, in recent times, has articulated a more nuanced understanding as to the manner in which a saving relationship with the Church can be realized. The Allocution of Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quadam (1854) clearly states the issues involved: “It must, of course, be held as a matter of faith that outside the apostolic Roman Church no one can be saved, that the Church is the only ark of salvation, and that whoever does not enter it, will perish in the flood. On the other hand, it must likewise be held as certain that those who live in ignorance of the true religion, if such ignorance be invincible, are not subject to any guilt in this matter before the eyes of the Lord”-The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without being baptized(2007. International Theological Commission)
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_cti_index-doc-pubbl_en.html

Lionel:
The Allocution of Pope PIus IX clearly does not state in the passage cited above that those saved in invincible ignorance are explicitly known and so are exceptions to the dogma which says whoever does not enter into the Church will perish. These exceptional cases are known only to God.The Church Councils and popes knew this. This unfortunately was the error of the Archbishop of Boston Richard Cushing and the Jesuits there.

Pope Benedict XVI and Bishop Gerhard Muller, ITC.
59. The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston (1949) offers further specifications. “To gain eternal salvation, it is not always required that a person be incorporated in reality (reapse) as a member of the Church, but it is necessary that one belong to it at least in desire and longing (voto et desiderio). It is not always necessary that this desire be explicit as it is with catechumens. When one is invincibly ignorant, God also accepts an implicit desire, so called because it is contained in the good disposition of soul by which a person wants his or her will to be conformed to God’s will”.

Lionel:
Yes in principle a person can be saved with the baptism of desire. In reality, explicitly we do not know any case of a person saved in Heaven with the baptism of desire. So it is not an issue with respect to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Implicit desire is irrelevant to the literal interpretation of the dogma.It is not even an issue.

International Theological Commission (ITC)
62. It is not possible to develop a theology of the religions without taking into account the universal salvific mission of the Church, attested to by Holy Scripture and by the tradition of faith of the Church. A theological evaluation of the religions was impeded over a long time because of the principle extra ecclesiam nulla salus, understood in an exclusivist sense. With the doctrine about the Church as the universal sacrament of salvation or the sacrament of the kingdom of God, theology seeks to respond to the new way of posing the problem. This teaching, which was also welcomed by Vatican Council II, is linked to the sacramental vision of the Church in the New Testament.-Christianity and the World Religions (2007. ITC)

Lionel:
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus was not just a principle it was a dogma, thrice defined. Historically it was always understood that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church. There are numerous popes and saints who testify to this.How can you have a theology of religions and overlook Ad Gentes 7 which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation ?

Pope Benedict XVI and Bishop Gerhard Muller, ITC.
63. The primary question today is not whether men can attain salvation even if they do not belong to the visible Catholic Church; this possibility is considered theologically certain.

Lionel:
Yes and it does not conflict with the literal interpretation of the dogma since we do not know who are these exceptional cases, they are known only to God.

Pope Benedict XVI and Bishop Gerhard Muller, ITC
65. One speaks of the necessity of the Church for salvation in two senses: the necessity of belonging to the Church for those who believe in Jesus and the necessity for salvation of the ministry of the Church which, on mission from God, must be at the service of the coming of the kingdom of God.- Christianity and the World Religions (2007. ITC)

Lionel:
There is the necessity of belonging to the Church for all with no exception on earth. Since we do not know who is in invincible ignorance or those who do not. Only God can judge.

It is not enough to just have faith in Jesus Christ one also has to live the faith and moral teachings of the Catholic Church. A Catholic knows that if he dies in mortal sin he is oriented to Hell even if he had faith in Jesus Christ.

According to the dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence, Protestants and Orthodox Christians need to convert to avoid the fires of Hell.

Pope Benedict XVI and Bishop Gerhard Muller, ITC
66. In his encyclical Mystici Corporis, Pius XII addresses the question, How are those who attain salvation outside visible communion with the Church related to her? He says that they are oriented to the mystical body of Christ by a yearning and desire of which they are not aware (DS 3821).-Christianity and the World Religions 2007

Lionel:
Yes they can be saved and we do not know who are these cases specifically. So one cannot imply that those saved with the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma. They are not.

Pope Benedict XVI and Bishop Gerhard Muller, ITC
The opposition of the American Jesuit Leonard Feeney, who insisted on the exclusivist interpretation of the expression extra ecclesiam nulla solus, afforded the occasion for the letter of the Holy Office, dated 8 August ,1949, to the archbishop of Boston, which rejected Feeney s interpretation and clarified the teaching of Pius XII.

Lionel:
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 affirmed Fr.Leonard Feeney’s interpretation when it referred to ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible teaching’. The infallible dogma indicates all non Catholics in Boston and the rest of the world need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid the fires of Hell.(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441).

‘The dogma’ did not mention those saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire since they are not defacto, explicit exceptions. The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 does not state that Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for heresy but for disobedience.The ‘dogma’ the ‘infallibe’teaching supported Fr.Leonadr Feeney on doctrine.

If it was assumed that those saved with the baptism of desire etc are explicit exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma then it was an objective, error. We do not know personally those saved in Heaven. It is only known to God.

-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/07/pope-benedict-and-bishop-gerhard-muller.html












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 WE HAVE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF 

VATICAN COUNCIL II : YOURS AND MINE


Lionel Andrades

Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial. Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?

Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission)

E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

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WE HAVE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF 

VATICAN COUNCIL II : YOURS AND MINE


Lionel Andrades

Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.

 Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?

Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission)

E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

Twitter : @LionelAndrades1

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