Questions and Answers about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II (Updated June 5,2021)
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE LIONEL ANDRADES INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
1.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
Ir does not use the common fake premise.It's a simple, rational and different way to read Vatican Council II.
2.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)?
It does not use the common false premise to interpret the baptism of desire(BOD), invincible ignorance(I.I) and the baptism of blood(BOB).So there are no practical exceptions for EENS.EENS is traditonal and BOD, BOB and I.I are interpreted rationally.It's not EENS or BOB,BOB and I.I. Since the latter are not exceptions for the former.
3.Is the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Magisterial documents copy writed or trademarked? No. Any one can use it. There is no charge.It is simply going back to the traditiional interpretation of Church documents, without the false premise. The false premise came into the Church in a big way, with the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney(1949).
4.How did the Lionel Andrades interpretation of VC 2 emerge?
He kept writing on his blog on EENS and then discovered that Vatican Council II does not really contradict EENS if the false premise is avoided.
5.Is the LA interpretation of VC2 a new theology?
No. It is going back to the old, traditional theology of the Catholic Church by avoiding the false premise.It is the false premise which has created the New Theology.Without the false premise there cannot be the New Ecumenism, New Evangelisation, New Ecclesiology etc.The New Theology is Cristocentric without the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church.Since exceptions were created to EENS, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors etc, by projecting a false premise.The error was overlooked by the popes.
6.What about traditional, 16th century Mission doctrine?
With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II we return to traditional Mission doctrine. It is no more 'only they need to enter the Church who know about it', who are not in invincible ignorance(LG 14) Instead, it is all need to enter the Catholic Church with no known exception.Invincible ignorance is not an exception to all needing to enter the Church with faith and the baptism(LG 14).So we evangelize since all non Catholics are oriented to Hell without faith and the baptism of water( Ad Gentes 7/Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II. The norm for salvation is faith and baptism and not invincible ignorance.When I meet a non Catholic, I cannot assume or pretend to know, that he or she is an exception to the norm. If there is an exception it could be known only to God.I know that the non Catholic before me, is oriented to Hell( Athanasius Creed, Vatican Council II(AG 7, LG 14),Catechism of the Catholic Church(845,846,1257),Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, etc).
7.What about the hermeneutic of continuity or rupture with Tradition ?
With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II there is no rupture with past Magisterium documents and neither do they contradict each other.We have to re-interpret past Magisterial documents though, which mention the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I), as being hypothetical and invisible always.Being saved with BOD and I.I are always physically invisible, when they are mentioned in the Catechisms( Trent, Pius X etc) and encyclicals and documents of the popes(Mystici Corporis etc).They always refer to hypothetical cases only and are not objectively known non Catholics.If someone is saved outside the Church he or she could only be known to God.This has to be clear when reading also the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.There is also no confusion when reading the text of Vatican Council II.LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3,NA 2,GS 22 etc, refer always to only hypothetical cases and so they do not contradict the Athanasius Creed.
8.Should the popes use the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
YES! Since presently the two popes are schismatic, heretical, non Magisterial and non traditional on Vatican Council II.It has to be this way since they use the false premise.It is only with the false premise, inference and conclusion that they interpret Magisterial documents. This can be avoided with a rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion.The result is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.
9.What other advantage is there in knowing the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
We read the text of Vatican Council II in general differently with the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.
’The red is not an exception to the blue’.The hypothetical passages( marked in red on the blog Eucharist and Mission, are not practical exceptions to the orthodox passages in Vatican Council II which support EENS, and are marked in blue.
For the present two popes and the traditionalists the red is an exception to the blue. This is irrational.
10.What bearing does it have on the liturgy ?
Without the false premise the Council is traditional. Vatican Council II is in harmony with extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the missionaries in the 16th century.So we are back to the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. When the Council is traditional there is no 'development of doctrine' or 'sprit of Vatican Council II'. Collegiality, Religious Freedom and ecumenism are no more an issue. So receiving Holy Communion on the hand can no more be justified with Vatican Council II.Neither can the Eucharist be given to the divorced and re-married, in the name of the Council.
Neither can the German Synod be justified by citing Vatican Council II.There is no theological basis in the Council, any more, for given the Eucharist to Protestants during Holy Mass.
11.What is the essence of this interpretation?
It is the listing of the rational and irrational premise, inference and conclusion. It identifies two different premises with two different conclusions. So the rational premise produces a traditional conclusion and the Vatican Council II is in harmony with Tradition. It has a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition even though Rahner, Congar, Rarzinger and Cushing were present at the Council in 1965.
Collegiality, ecumenism and religious liberty are no more an issue for the conservatives , when Vatican Council II is traditional. Lumen Gentium 8, Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 ecc. oin Vatican Council II refer to only physically invisible cases in 1965-2021. -Lionel Andrades
Fake premise
Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.
Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.
Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.
Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.
Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades
Lionel Andrades
Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission )
E-mail: lionelandrades10@
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Pentecost Sunday May 20,2018
ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SOLAMENTE LA CHIESA CATTOLICA
ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SOLAMENTE LA CHIESA CATTOLICA
THURSDAY, DECEMBER 28, 2017
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We are not traditionalists who only attend the Traditional Latin Mass, we are present at all Catholic rites and liturgies.Even at Mass in the vernacular,in our own language, we can proclaim outside the Church there is no known salvation and there are no known exceptions in the present times.
So we support the Traditionalists and the lay Movements like the Focolares, Neo-Catechumenale Way,Communion and Liberation and the Catholic Charismatic Renewal.All of us can follow the magisterial teachings of the Church in harmony with the authentic magisterial interpretation of the centuries, which were guided by the Holy Spirit.So the understanding of Church, what makes Church, what is Church, is the same before and after Vatican Council II.Outside the Church there is no salvation.Everyone needs to have his name on the Parish Baptismal Register to go to Heaven, there are only Catholics in Heaven who are there with Catholic faith and the baptism of water. Since this is our priority for saving souls from Hell, we proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and the non separation of Church and State.Our Catholic Movement is Eucharistic.-Lionel Andrades
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Our Mission is Eucharistic as Catholics.I am reminded of St.Maria Raffaella , and her religious community,Ancelle di Sacro Cuor di Gesu whose church I frequent in Rome. Then there is also the new saint Manuel Gonzalez Garcia,founder of the Eucharistic Missionaries of Nazareth
The Eucharist is central to this mission.This is how it was also with St.Peter Julian Eymard the saint of the Eucharist.
These saints were aware of Jesus' Presence in the Eucharist and they lived their life. So it was a natural Eucharistic Evangelisation for them.
In the future the Church may not be in the present form we see it but we will still have the Eucharistic Jesus with us in private and underground and mission will continue, we will show our love for the Eucharist, Jesus present in our midst.-Lionel Andrades
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We are a lay Movement which draws its strength from the never-ever changing teachings of the Catholic Church.Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow(Heb.13:8).We do not ask for an Imprimatur or permission from the local bishop. Since he may not want to affirm the Catholic Faith as directly as we do, and put his Office in an hostile political environment.If he supports us we accept this support.We work for the good of Catholics and non-Catholics, in charity and social projects done for the love of Jesus, but always proclaiming the necessity of faithfulness to the teachings of the Catholic Church which is the only Church Jesus founded outside of which there is no salvation.-Lionel Andrades
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Begin your Only the Catholic Church group or chapter wherever you are and make sure that all Catholics know precisely, the Church's teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church only.
There is no change in the Church's teachings today as compared to the time of the Jesuits of the Middle Ages.Put advertisements in the your local Church and secular newspapers.Invite people to learn more about the Catholic Faith,not necessarily in harmony with the present pope but always faithful to the magisterial documents (Vatican Council II, Catechism of the Catholic Church etc).
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Please make this message on Only the Catholic Church known to others, since it is in agreement with the authentic Magisterium of the Church, over the centuries, and is in harmony with Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994).
They are in harmony with the past magisterial teachings of the Catholic Church.
Understand this. Learn this and then proclaim it to others as your Catholic Faith.This is not the property or originality of any particular person.There is no ownership of leadership for Only the Catholic Church. Since nothing new is being taught here.-Lionel Andrades
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Tell them that if someone does not know Jesus in the Catholic Church and believes in Him, repents and changes his life style, even if he is not a Catholic he can be saved.But if he continues to live then he must join the Catholic Church and live its traditional teachings.Since in only the Catholic Church is there salvation.
Jesus founded only one Church. Jews, Muslims,Protestants,Orthodox Christians, among others, are on the way to Hell unless they join the Catholic Church.John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Matthew 7:13.
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Wear an Only the Catholic Church or Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus badge on your coat lapel so that people can identify you and ask you for information about the Catholic Church.Tell them it is important to be a Catholic to go to Heaven and in Heaven there are only Catholics (Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II).Tell them most people go to Hell since they die without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).Tell them Catholics are the new people of God, the new Chosen People(Nostra Aetate 4,Vatican Council II) and all must follow the Jewish Messiah,foretold by the Jewish prophets.The Catholic Church is the continuation of the Jewish religion. - Lionel Andrades
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Tell them Our Lady is stronger than Satan and she is bringing millions of people, including many Catholics too, back to Jesus. She is presently speaking to people through locutions or appearing to them in visions or dreams.Since she does not wart any of her children going to Hell where there is fire and the presence of demons and other entities, for all eternity.-Lionel Andrades
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Go out on Mission from door to door, do Street Evangelisation,proclaim the Faith, follow the Great Commission,Jesus gave you.
Tell people they must repent, ask Jesus for forgiveness and go for Confession if they are Catholics.Tell them to repent and change their life style of sin and get baptized in the Catholic Church if they are not Catholics.Tell them to accept the popes and follow their teachings if they are in harmony with Tradition and the other popes.
Tell them even if a pope is a heretic or a bad example as a heretical pope , outside the Church there is no salvation and Jesus is present in the Eucharist as a person in his true Divinity.Tell them that the Mass is the Supreme Sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross, re-enacted in an un-bloody way.
Tel them to get baptized with water immediately and to follow Jesus by reading the Bible daily. Tell them to attend Mass daily and go for Confession if they have committed mortal sins.-Lionel Andrades
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Tell your friends and relatives to read Vatican Council II in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) as it has been known to the missionaries and magisterium of the 16th century.
Do not interpret Vatican Council II like those Catholics now working for Satan.
Vatican Council II really says all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7). All.
Everyone. All need to be members of the Church by living the faith and moral teachings and being baptized with water.-Lionel Andrades
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It is important that Catholics go on Mission to proclaim the Good News of salvation in Jesus Christ through the Catholic Church outside of which there is no salvation and every one needs to be a member in order to go to Heaven and avoid the fires of Hell.
So meet people and tell them they must be Catholics since this is the teaching of Jesus in the Bible.
This was the teachings of the popes and and saints and this is also the teaching of Vatican Council II(AG 7, LG 14) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1257,845,846 etc).-Lionel Andrades
SUNDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2017
Membership in the Catholic Church is the only way to go to Heaven. There is only one way to go to Heaven.
Just thinking of God is enough to bring the Light and take a soul upward. As the popes have taught, there are many ways to God but Catholicism is the discipline of safest and quickest entry (because, in that discipline, is the narrow gate).-Spirit Daily
http://spiritdaily.org/blog/afterlife/the-most-direct-entry-into-heaven
http://spiritdaily.org/blog/afterlife/the-most-direct-entry-into-heaven
Membership in the Catholic Church is the only way to go to Heaven. There is only one way to go to Heaven. This is what the popes before Pope Pius XII taught.L.A
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