There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II.One of Pope Francis and the other of Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall

 

 MARCH 12, 2019

Bishop Athanasius Schneider's new website : Can we personally meet and see someone saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood or invincible ignorance in 2019 ?

Bishop Athanasius Schneider has a new website which welcomes questions. I sent him this message a minute a ago.

Dear Bishop Athanasius Schneider,
 
Praised be  Jesus and Our Lady.
I am a Catholic lay man in Rome and owner of the blog Eucharist and Mission. I submit the following questions to your Excellency and would like permission to post your answer on my blog. Excuse me for not including a telephone number, since I do not use the telephone. I have not  done so for a few years. I have included my e-mail number and you  are also free to contact me. I have been e-mailing you but have not received a reply.

1.The Catholic Church refers to the baptism of desire,(BOD) baptism of blood (BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I), which for me are hypothetical and theoretical cases in 2019. If they happened they would only be known to God. So they are not actual non Catholics who are personally known and who are saved outside the Church.Let me further clarify: I cannot meet or see a person saved with BOD, BOB and I.I in 2019.I cannot say that there were 20 cases of the BOD last year or 25 persons,  the previous year.
Is it the same for you Bishop Schneider? Would your Excellency also say that there are no known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I today and there were none which were physically known and seen for us human beings ?
2.So in 2019  BOD, BOB and I.I cannot be practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) which says all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation.
BOD,BOB and I.I never were exceptions to the dogma EENS in 1965 or 1949.
3.   Similarly Lumen Gentium 8 (elements of sanctification and truth), Lumen Gentium 16( invincible ignorance), Lumen Gentium  14 ( the hypothetical case of an unknown catechumen) etc are all hypothetical cases for you ? They are personally invisible people in 2019? So they are not objective exceptions to the dogma EENS, the past exclusivist ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return ?
3.When Unitatitis Redintigratio 3 refers to 'imperfect communion with the Church', this too is a hypothetical case and can never be a known Protestant or Christian saved outside the Church.So UR 3 would not contradict the dogma EENS or an ecumenism of return ?
4.Since LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2,GS 22 etc all refer to hypothetical cases Vatican Council II no where contradicts the Syllabus of Errors on ecumenism and non Christian religions.Non Catholics including Christians need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation ?(CDF, Notification,Dupuis n.7( 2001).
In Christ
Lionel Andrades

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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/bishop-athanasius-schneiders-new.html?m=0

AUGUST 29, 2021

Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall say there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire but the German Synodal path is based upon there being literal cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14) in the present times

Bishop Athanasius Schneider in an interview with Dr. Taylor Marshall has said that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire in the present times(2021). So LG 14 ( Case of the Catechumen) would be a hypothetical and speculative case only. But for Cardinal Marx this is not his interpretation of Vatican Council II upon which is based the German Synodal Way.For him LG 14 and also LG 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22, LG 16,LG 8 would refer to literal cases of non Catholics in the present times (1965-2021) saved without ‘faith and baptism’(AG 7), outside the Church. It is only in this way that he can avoid affirming Catholic Tradition (EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc).

If the Germans interpreted LG 14 like Bishop Athanasius Schneider there would be no theological bases for the German Synodal Breakaway.

In France, Bishop Roland Mitterand in Dijon, wrote his books on the Concordats and the theology of religious pluralism by interpreting LG 14 irrationally.The French Bishops’ Conference must be asked to clarify that the baptism of desire is always hypothetical, theoretical and invisible for us human beings.In principle, hypothetical cases of LG 14, LG 16 etc cannot be practical exceptions in 2021 to Tradition ( Catechism of Pope Pius X, Council of Trent etc).

Like the French, Cardinal Peter Erdo in Hungary and the Hungarian Bishops’ Conference, could also be confusing the “implicit baptism of desire” of St. Thomas Aquinas as being explicit in the present times.

In Poland, the National Catechetical Center is in schism with the past Magisterium, since with visible cases of the baptism of desire, a hermeneutic of rupture is created  with the Athanasius Creed, the Catechism of Pope Pius X (24Q,27Q).They need to issue a statement on this issue.

Their Episcopal Conference, like those all over the world, interpret the baptism of desire with a fake and not rational premise . So there is a fake break with Catholic Tradition.

The Schneider-Marshall video is really asking the U.S bishops to be ethical and honest.They are saying that the cardinals and bishops in Britain are also dishonest, when they project the baptism of desire as an exception to EENS according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16^th century.

The bishops in Switzerland had also been asking the Society of St. Pius X to interpret the baptism of desire with the irrationality mentioned by Bishop Schneider, and then to accept the non traditional conclusion.This is not Catholic.

Pope Benedict did not grant canonical recognition to the SSPX  and said it was a doctrinal issue.Bishop Charles Morerod in Switzerland would not allow the SSPX to use the churches there, and said it was a doctrinal issue. They had to continue to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and accept the non traditional conclusion, like the liberals.

Pope Benedict needs to be honest.He needs to apologize to the SSPX.-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search?q=No+literal+cases+of+the+baptism+of+desire

AUGUST 29, 2021

Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinnal Committee, interprets Lumen Gentium 14 ( baptism of desire) with a false premise. Bishop Athanasius Schnedier and Dr. Taylor Marshall avoid it

 

NOVEMBER 9, 2020

Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee, interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise. His error is there on line as proof.No one questions him about it

 Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee, interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise. His error is there on line as proof.No one questions him about it. -Lionel Andrades

AUGUST 28, 2021

So we proclaim the Faith and return to traditional mission as at the time of St. Ignatius of Loyola, St. Robert Bellarmine and St. Francis Xavier

So we proclaim the Faith and return to traditional mission as at the time of St. Ignatius of Loyola, St. Robert Bellarmine and St. Francis Xavier. All non Catholics are oriented to Hell according to Bishop Athanasius Schneider and not only those ‘who know’ about Jesus and the Church(LG 14) – since invincible ignorance is no more a practical exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).All in general need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7) and if there are any exceptions of those 'who know' or 'do not know' it could only be known to God.So there are no known practical exceptions for the Great Commission.

The Council Fathers (1965) made an objective error when they projected  the baptism of desire(LG 14) as an exception to EENS according to Loyola, Bellarmine and Xavier.This mistake was there in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston(LOHO).Pope Benedict needs to issue a correction and apologise. Since his New Theology is based upon the false premise of the LOHO.

The false premise of Pope Benedict is now a theological virus that has spread in the Catholic Church, like an epidemic. He has to end it.He must correct Pope Francis’ mistake, which is also that of the College of Cardinals.

Pope Benedict needs to tell Pope Francis that all the books on Vatican Council II have got the ‘virus’ and so are useless.They were made irrelevant with the error. Also Pope Benedict’s books on Ecclesiology published by Ignatius Press, and in the many German editions,  have to be phased out. The pontifical universities must note the error in the books on Ecclesiology, written also by Semeraro, Kasper and Forte.

Pope Benedict wanted the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) to keep interpreting the baptism of desire(LG 14) as referring to to literal cases, presently known to us. So they would have to interpret Vatican Council II (LG 14 etc) in principle, by confusing invisible cases as being physically visible. Then with this irrationality they would have to accept the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition, which would follow with the use of the false premise. It was only with this doctrinal and theological error, was he prepared to grant the SSPX canonical recognition.Pope Francis needs to apologise.

Pope Benedict wanted the SSPX to interpret Vatican Council II with LG 14 being a literal example of salvation outside the Church in the present times and Bishop Schneider and Dr.Taylor Marshall are saying there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire in 1965-2021.

Bishop Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall are avoiding the fake premise ( invisible people are visible in the present times) and Pope Benedict and Pope Francis have to use it to create a break with Tradition (EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc).

If the popes choose the rational premise ( invisible cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church in 2021 are invisible) then they would be saying that in Vatican Council II,  LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc do not contradict the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church, opposed by the Left.-Lionel Andrades

 AUGUST 28, 2021

Bishop Athanasius Schneider has said that there are no known literal cases of the baptism of desire in our human reality but Cardinal Ratzinger wrote Redemptoris Missio and Dominus Iesus with there being literally known cases of being saved with the baptism of desire

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/bishop-athanasius-schneider-has-said_28.html

AUGUST 27, 2021

Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall are telling Pope Francis that all the books on Vatican Council II are written with a false premise and in general they are obsolete

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/bishop-athanasius-schneider-and-dr.html

AUGUST 26, 2021

Bishop Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall directly oppose Pope Francis on the New Theology : Vatican Council II is not a break with Tradition when the premise is rational

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/bishop-schneider-and-dr-taylor-marshall.html

 AUGUST 25, 2021

Bishop Schneider is one step away from saying that Vatican Council II does not contradict Tradition and the SSPX are no more in schism

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/bishop-schneider-is-one-step-away-from.html

 AUGUST 25, 2021

Bishop Athanasius Schneider has said that we do not know of any literal case of someone saved with the baptism of desire in the present times

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/bishop-athanasius-schneider-has-said.html

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AUGUST 31, 2021

Pope Francis is in schism with the past Magisterium which did not interpret the baptism of desire as being a literal case. So for them there were no exceptions to the traditionalist exclusivist ecclesiology.Bishop Athanasius Schneider told Dr. Taylor Marshall in an interview that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire.This is a complete U-turn with the common interpretation of Vatican Council II(LG 14 etc).

 

Pope Francis is in schism with the past Magisterium which did not interpret the baptism of desire as being literal cases.So for them there were no exceptions to the traditionalist exclusivist ecclesiology.Extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX,the Athanasius Creed etc were not made obsolete.Bishop Athanasius Schneider told Dr. Taylor Marshall in an interview that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire.This is a complete U-turn with the common interpretation of Vatican Council II(LG 14 etc).

But Marshall agreed with him but in principle Pope Francis and Pope Benedict interpret the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) as being known and not unknown cases.The implicit baptism of desire of St. Thomas Aquinas is explicit for them.They confuse what is invisible as being visible.Then they say that there is a development of doctrine.They say Vatican Council II is a revolution, Tradition is obsolete and this is the teaching of the Holy Spirit.

According to the Magisterium of the 16^th century, Pope Francis is automatically excommunicated.With his liberalism based upon a false premise, to which Bishop Schneider has called attention, the pope has changed the interpretation of the Apostles and Nicene Creed and rejected the Athanasius Creed.

So his interpretation of Vatican Council II is not Magisterial and Catholics are not obliged to follow it.

The Vatican Press Office has not commented on Bishop Schneider’s statement nor acknowledged their mistake and issued an apology.

There is no statement from the Bishops Conferences and the national Cathechetical Centers.-Lionel Andrades

AUGUST 31, 2021

France, Germany, Poland, Hungary... need to re-interpret Vatican Council II rationally : USA and Britain also must use the rational premise

 

taylormarshall.com/2020/02/375-bp-athanasius-schneider-dr-taylor-marshall-discuss-theology-liturgy-podcast.html

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 SEPTEMBER 1, 2021

Dr.Taylor Marshall did not ask Bishop Athanasius Schneider if the present two popes are in schism. Since the bishop said that the baptism of desire does not refer to literal cases in the present times and the popes since Pius XII differed

Dr.Taylor Marshall did not ask Bishop Athanasius Schneider if the present two popes, are in schism.Since Bishop Schneider said that the baptism of desire does not refer to literal cases.The popes since Pius XII stated the opposite.The popes interpret LG 14( baptism of desire) as a rupture with the Creeds, Catechisms,extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and the Syllabus of Errors.If the popes interpreted Vatican Council II rationally then they would affirm these Magisterial documents and would not be in schism with the past Magisterium.

Pope Benedict in an interview with the daily Avvenire said that EENS today was no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century.There was ‘a development’ with Vatican Council II.He meant Vatican Council II with LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 being literal cases in 1965-2021.So EENS, the Syllabus of Errors and the Athanasius Creed were made obsolete.

But with LG 14 (baptism of desire) not being a literal case in 2021 for Schneider and Marshall, the game has changed. It is the popes are using the wrong interpretation of the Council.So they are choosing the hermeneutic of rupture with the past.

When in principle, hypothetical cases (LG 8,Lg 14,LG 16 ,UR 3 etc) are not literal and personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church in the present times,then the popes and the SSPX, can affirm Vatican Council II ( with the rational premise) and also Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc).They would not be in a rupture with the past Magisterium.They would be supporting Vatican Council II, Tradition and the past Magisterium.

Pope Francis is in schism since he rejects Vatican Council II interpreted rationally and rejects Tradition ( Catechism of Pope Pius X,24Q,27Q etc), with his irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II.He produces the hermeneutic of rupture with the Early Christians, the early Catholics, the Fathers of the Church, the Medieval Fathers and the popes before Pius XII.

Now the entire College of Cardinals are in a factory-made, artificial schism with their irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II ( visible LG 14 cases).

The German Synodal Path is schismatic and the German cardinals and bishops have a rational and non schismatic alternative before them.

Dr.Taylor Marshall could have asked, « Is Cardinal Marx in schism because of his irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II ? ».

The “Ecclesia Dei” communities meeting, with Pope Francis this month, as reported on the website of Taylor Marshall, would be of no value for the traditionalists.They need to discuss Vatican Council II, interpreted with the rational premise( invisible cases of LG 14 in 2021 are always invisible).More important, affirm it before the pope.

FSSP,ICKSP,IBP

The FSSP (Fraternity of St Peter), ICKSP (Institute of Christ the King), and IBP (Institute of the Good Shepherd),interpretation of Vatican Council II is as schismatic as that of Pope Francis. They all use the false premise which Bishop Schneider avoided.

These communities need to tell Pope Francis to interpret the Council rationally,come back to the Church and take the Catholic Church back to Tradition at all rites and liturgies.

They should mention that the SSPX-Vatican talks during the pontificate of Pope Benedict,were a waste of time.Since both sides were interpreting the Council with LG 14 ( baptism of desire) referring to literal and objective cases.Fr.Jean Marie Gleize and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj are still at it. –Lionel Andrades

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SEPTEMBER 2, 2021

Cardinal Vincent Nicols, the Bishops Conference of England and Wales and the Beda, English and Irish seminaries in Rome interpret the baptism of desire ( LG 14) as referring to literal and known people in the present times.In this way a break with Tradition is created.Vocations to the religious life have to accept this irrationality : Schneider and Marshall say there are no such objective cases for us human beings 

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SEPTEMBER 5, 2021

Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshal say( see video ) that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire. For Pope Francis and Bishop Roland Minnerath there are literal and visible cases of the baptism of desire in the present times. So we have two interpretations of Vatican Council II (LG 14 is visible or invisible and the conclusion is different) and extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with or without the baptism of desire being visible or invisible and an exception or not an exception to EENS).

Bishop Athanasius  Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshal say( see video ) that  there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire. For Pope Francis and Bishop  Roland Minnerath  there are literal and visible cases of the baptism of desire in the present times. So we have two interpretations of Vatican Council II (LG 14 is visible or invisible and the conclusion is different) and extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with or without the baptism of desire being visible or invisible and an exception or  not an exception to EENS).

One interpretation is irrational and not Magisterial. Can you guess which one is it ? - Lionel Andrades

SEPTEMBER 6, 2021

Recently Bishop Athanasius Schneider told Dr. Taylor Marshall in an interview, that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire. This would be explosive for Pope Benedict. Since Schneider is saying that we do not need the New Theology

 

Recently Bishop Athanasius Schneider told Dr. Taylor Marshall in an interview, that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire. This would be explosive for Pope Benedict. Since Schneider is saying that we do not need the New Theology.-Lionel Andrades

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SEPTEMBER 10, 2021

Bishop Athanasius Schnedier and Dr. Taylor Marshall say LG 14 is invisible and the popes and cardinals say it is visible

Pope Francis’s interpretation of Vatican Council II is non Magisterial.It is personal like that of Pope Paul VI and the popes who followed him.They did not use the rational premise to interpret the Council but chose the irrational premise and so created a false rupture with Tradition.

Dr. Taylor Marshall has said that there are no explicit cases of Aquinas’ implicit baptism of desire but the popes interpret Lumen Gentium ( case of the catechumen) as referring to visible cases. LG 14 is explicit.If it was not explicit for them it could not be a rupture with Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors etc.So what is implicit is projected as explicit and then the Church’s ecclesiocentric ecclesiology is said to be obsolete.

This cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit cannot make an objective error.

There are no literal cases of the baptism of desire in the present times said Bishop Athanasius Schneider.LG 14 is not a visible case for him.

Yet all the books on Vatican Council II are written with this invisible-visible mix up and new ones are being written without any correction or clarfication from the Vatican.

So why should Catholics interpret LG 14 and the rest of Vatican Council II irrationally like the popes and not like Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall ?

Why should not lay Catholics choose the rational option which is in harmony with Tradition ?.

At the Hungarian and German Catholic seminaries in Rome, the young men are taught to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise ( invisible cases are visible in 1965-2021). Why should they be obedient to this error?

Why must the Ecclesia Dei communities follow the same error and over look it in the seminaries- liberal and traditionalist ? They are not affirming the faith.

Pope Francis is schismatic.The past Magisterium did not use the false premise.

This was also the error of Pope Benedict, before and after, he was appointed the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

There is no unity in theology in doctrine since the official teaching is irrational, schismatic and really non Magisterial.

Bishop Athanasius Schnedier and Dr. Taylor Marshall say LG 14 is invisible and the popes and cardinals say it is visible.-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search?q=No+literal+cases+of+the+baptism+of+desire

Discorsi/conversazioni sul Concilio Vaticano II in armonia con la Tradizione e sull'esistenza di due interpretazioni del Concilio, una razionale e l'altra irrazionale

 

Se siete un gruppo di cattolici, liberali o tradizionalisti, sono disposto a parlare di questo argomento. Posso presentare il materiale su questo blog Eucharist and Mission ( Lionel’s blog), in modo ordinato, in modo che tu possa capire rapidamente di cosa continuo a scrivere. Sono disponibile a Roma (solo Roma) e non ci sono spese. Le informazioni saranno fornite gratuitamente. Sarà illustrato con alcuni grafici. 

Sono Cattolico e affermo gli insegnamenti della Chiesa Cattolica come ho detto spesso su questo blog eucharistandmission.

La differenza tra me ei Cattolici in generale e anche il Dicastero per la Dottrina della Fede, Vaticano, è che loro interpretano il Concilio Vaticano II, i Credo, i Catechismi, i Concili ecc. in modo irrazionale e io sono razionale. 

Scelgo una razionale premessa e inferenza e quindi la mia conclusione è tradizionale. 

La presentazione potrebbe durare 20 minuti o meno. Sarò disponibile a rispondere alle domande. Non ho nessuna nuova teologia da offrire. Evito semplicemente un'osservazione irrazionale e ritorniamo alla vecchia teologia del Magistero e dei missionari del XVI secolo alla Messa in latino. Questa sarebbe la teologia generale oggi, che è onesta e razionale, ad ogni Messa e ad ogni Rito. Dovrebbe essere la lex orandi. 

Per favore mandami un'e-mail a: lionelandrades10@gmail.com 

Lionel Andrades

Cattolico laico a Roma

p.s non ho un recapito telefonico e non viaggio fuori Roma. 

 SOLAMENTE LA CHIESA CATTOLICA  ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

                        

All the religious communities have to stop interpreting LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II as being exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors and Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), for then they imply that these are physically visible cases.

 

All the religious communities ( major and minor) in Rome have to stop interpreting LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc  in Vatican Council II as being exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors and Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), for then they imply that these are physically visible cases. But these are invisible people in 2023. They cannot be exceptions.

They must see LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as being physically invisible cases in 2023. So they are not exceptions for the past ecclesiocentrism. Vatican Council II is not a rupture with the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.

But Vatican Council II really has a continuity with the past ecclesiocentrism and the rest of Tradition. LG 14 and AG 7 say all need faith and baptism for salvation, while LG 8, NA 2, GS 22, UR 3 etc are not exceptions for LG 14 and AG 7.

This is interpreting Vatican Council II rationally. The conclusion is traditional. It is also interpreting Vatican Council II honestly.

 - Lionel Andrades

OCTOBER 5, 2016

If a new religious community wants to be faithful to the Gospel they must not seek recognition from the Vatican

If a new religious community wants to be faithful to the Gospel they must not seek recognition from the Vatican.

If they want to say,'All Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Protestants, Orthodox Christians in 2016 need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church for salvation, to avoid Hell, with no known exceptions',then they will not be accepted by the two popes and the Vatican Curia.

Without Vatican recognition this new religious community could exist as a society, and affirm Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1995) , the Catechism of Pope Pius X and previous catechisms.

Presently some priests in Rome, who offer Mass in Italian and the Traditional Latin Mass, have told me that in 2016 they do not know of any case of the baptism of desire(BOD) or being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) without the baptism of water.They do not know of any exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

Yet some of them have to teach Rahner's theology,(others have to proclaim it) which is based upon there being known exceptions to EENS in 2016.They have to infer that they can see people in Heaven without the baptism of water in 2016.Or that they know of some people on earth who are going to be saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church in some' extraordinary way'.

If the Superior of any of the many religious communities today says Jesus said all need the baptism of water for salvation( John 3:5) and we do not know of any exceptions in 2016 to Jesus' teachings, the Superior would have to resign.

It is only by telling a lie ( being able to physically see invisible cases) can the Superior, Mother or Father General be accepted by the Vatican.

So the Superior compromises. This semester they have sent young religious to study at Rome's pontifical universities where they will all be taught the lie.No one would be allowed to object with the truth.When they tell a lie no one in the community is persecuted.

The seminarians of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, who study at these universities, all have to say that there are known exceptions in 2016 to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS. There are known exceptions to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church as taught in the Catechism of Pope Pius X.Pope Francis has approved this after he closed down their seminary in Rome.

According to Pope Francis' new rules, for religous communities, including monastic communities,all religious have to be associated with a liberal Catholic community or society. This would be a group of people who among other things, accept the Rahner-Ratzinger New Theology and reject the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS.

Go out into the whole world and proclaim the Good News was the Response to the Psalm, at Holy Mass today.

This can only be done officially and in public by religious, who will theologically 1) not separate Jesus from the Catholic Church and 2) interpret Vatican Council II and the dogma EENS without an irrational premise and conclusion( being able to see the saved in Heaven who are there without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church is the irrational premise. So there is salvation outside the Catholic Church is the conclusion).In this way a new doctrine has been created. There is an innovation in the Church approved by the two popes and the Vatican Curia. In the words of Pope Benedict XVI, EENS is no more like it was in the 16th century. It has been replaced with the new irrational and innovative theology which all religous must accept to get Vatican recognition.

-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/10/if-new-religious-community-wants-to-be.html