Friday, June 18, 2021
Michael and Peter Dimond interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise so there is confusion on the interpretation of other Magisterial documents : no denial from them
Repost/Trending : Bishop Athanasius Schneider's new website : Can we personally meet and see someone saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood or invincible ignorance in 2019 ?
MARCH 12, 2019
Bishop Athanasius Schneider's new website : Can we personally meet and see someone saved with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood or invincible ignorance in 2019 ?
Dear Bishop Athanasius Schneider,
Praised be Jesus and Our Lady.
I am a Catholic lay man in Rome and owner of the blog Eucharist and Mission. I submit the following questions to your Excellency and would like permission to post your answer on my blog. Excuse me for not including a telephone number, since I do not use the telephone. I have not done so for a few years. I have included my e-mail number and you are also free to contact me. I have been e-mailing you but have not received a reply.
1.The Catholic Church refers to the baptism of desire,(BOD) baptism of blood (BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I), which for me are hypothetical and theoretical cases in 2019. If they happened they would only be known to God. So they are not actual non Catholics who are personally known and who are saved outside the Church.Let me further clarify: I cannot meet or see a person saved with BOD, BOB and I.I in 2019.I cannot say that there were 20 cases of the BOD last year or 25 persons, the previous year.
Is it the same for you Bishop Schneider? Would your Excellency also say that there are no known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I today and there were none which were physically known and seen for us human beings ?
2.So in 2019 BOD, BOB and I.I cannot be practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) which says all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation.
BOD,BOB and I.I never were exceptions to the dogma EENS in 1965 or 1949.
3. Similarly Lumen Gentium 8 (elements of sanctification and truth), Lumen Gentium 16( invincible ignorance), Lumen Gentium 14 ( the hypothetical case of an unknown catechumen) etc are all hypothetical cases for you ? They are personally invisible people in 2019? So they are not objective exceptions to the dogma EENS, the past exclusivist ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return ?
3.When Unitatitis Redintigratio 3 refers to 'imperfect communion with the Church', this too is a hypothetical case and can never be a known Protestant or Christian saved outside the Church.So UR 3 would not contradict the dogma EENS or an ecumenism of return ?
4.Since LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2,GS 22 etc all refer to hypothetical cases Vatican Council II no where contradicts the Syllabus of Errors on ecumenism and non Christian religions.Non Catholics including Christians need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation ?(CDF, Notification,Dupuis n.7( 2001).
In Christ
Lionel Andrades
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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/bishop-athanasius-schneiders-new.html
Fr.Georges de Laire, Judicial Vicar of the Diocese of Manchester, USA interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise, like Bishop Peter Libasci and the rest of the Curia.I have e-mailed him and the other members of the Curia. There is no denial from them.
Fr.Georges de Laire, Judicial Vicar of the Diocese of Manchester, USA interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise, like Bishop Peter Libasci and the rest of the Curia.I have e-mailed him and the other members of the Curia. There is no denial from them.
Officially, Fr. de Laire uses the false premise to interpret Magisterial documents , which is unethical and dishonest and he has issued a Decree of Prohibitions against the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire on a doctrinal issue.He has also entered into litigation with Michael Voris and Church Militant TV. - Lionel Andrades
JUNE 18, 2021
The Archdiiocese of Detroit officially uses a fake premise to interpret Magisterial documents, including Vatican Council II, to create a false rupture with Tradition ( EENS etc) and their spokespersons would consider this official deception as being Catholic
The Archdiiocese of Detroit officially uses a fake premise to interpret Magisterial documents, including Vatican Council II, to create a false rupture with Tradition ( EENS etc) and their spokespersons would consider this official deception as being Catholic. -Lionel Andrades
JUNE 18, 2021
Christopher White and the Staff at the National Catholic Reporter know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise. I have e-mailed them many times. Yet they continue to interpret the Council and extra ecclesiam nulla salus with the false premise, to create a false rupture with Tradition and so not be labelled 'extremists'
Christopher White and the Staff at the National Catholic Reporter know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise. I have e-mailed them many times. Yet they continue to interpret the Council and extra ecclesiam nulla salus with the false premise, to create a false rupture with Tradition and so not be labelled 'extremists'. - Lionel Andrades
JUNE 17, 2021
Bishop Peter Libasci and Fr. Georges de Laire like the ecclesiastics at the CDF,Vatican are dishonest in public
It fell to de Laire as judicial vicar to reinforce a Vatican decree that the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary could not present themselves as Catholic. According to the lawsuit, this resulted in "several articles [at Church Militant] not only criticizing the Diocese's decision to issue the Decree, but defaming Father de Laire, personally."
https://www.ncronline.org/news/media/church-militant-founder-may-face-legal-reckoning-defamation_________________________
JUNE 11, 2021
Vatican Council II is dogmatic
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE LIONEL ANDRADES INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
1.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
It is the listing of the rational and irrational premise, inference and conclusion. It identifies two different premises with two different conclusions. So the rational premise produces a traditional conclusion and the Vatican Council II is in harmony with Tradition. It has a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition even though Rahner, Congar, Rarzinger and Cushing were present at the Council in 1965.
Collegiality, ecumenism and religious liberty are no more an issue for the conservatives , when Vatican Council II is traditional.
Lumen Gentium 8, Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 ecc. oin Vatican Council II refer to only physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.
12.Vatican Council II is dogmatic ?
Yes. Pope Paul VI and the liberals call Vatican Council II "pastoral" and not dogmatic. Since they do not want to affirm the rigorous interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
Ad Gentes 7 (all need faith and baptism for salvation) supports the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) while the hypothetical cases mentioned in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc. cannot be objective exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 in 1965-2021. So there is nothing in the text of the Council that contradicts 16th century EENS or the Athanasius Creed or the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX on there being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
The Second Vatican Council affirms the dogma EENS with Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 .While the Council does not contradict EENS or Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14, with LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 etc. Since if someone was saved outside the Church, he would be known only to God. They are not part of our reality. They are invisible in 1965-2021.
When Pope Francis says that the Second Vatican Council is the Magisterium of the Church he must refer to a pro-EENS dogmatic Council with the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.
Without their false premise the Council is dogmatic. It supports the rigorous interpretation of EENS.This was EENS according to the missionaries and the Magisterium of the sixteenth century. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc., in the Second Vatican Council, if interpreted rationally, cannot be practical exceptions to EENS. Invisible cases in our reality cannot be objective exceptions to EENS. For example, to get on the bus you have to be present at the bus station. If you are not physically at the bus stop it is not possible to get on the bus.
Another example is, if there is an apple in a box of oranges, the apple is an exception since it is there in the box. If it was not there in that box it would not be an exception. Similarly LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 etc.,refer only to hypothetical cases. We cannot meet or see anyone saved outside the Church, without faith and the baptism of water. So the Council is not referring to real people, known people in the present times.
Unknown and invisible cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14) and of being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) cannot be objective exceptions for EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.There is no conflict.
So when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally it is dogmatic. -Lionel Andrades
This is how the Department of Theology at the Angelicum University, Rome should interpret Vatican Council II and Magisterial texts.
When LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 , NA 2 etc in Vatican Council II are only hypothetical and theoretical and not objective examples of salvation outside the Church, in personally known cases in 2021,then Vatican Council II is dogmatic. It affirms exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church with Ad Gentes 7 .While there are no exceptions for Ad Gentes 7 mentioned in the Council.text, interpreted rationally.This interpretation of the Council would be rational, traditional and Magisterial.This is how the Department of Theology at the Angelicum University, Rome should interpret Vatican Council II and Magisterial texts. .- Lionel Andrades
The Archdiiocese of Detroit officially uses a fake premise to interpret Magisterial documents, including Vatican Council II, to create a false rupture with Tradition ( EENS etc) and their spokespersons would consider this official deception as being Catholic
The Archdiiocese of Detroit officially uses a fake premise to interpret Magisterial documents, including Vatican Council II, to create a false rupture with Tradition ( EENS etc) and their spokespersons would consider this official deception as being Catholic. -Lionel Andrades
JUNE 18, 2021
Christopher White and the Staff at the National Catholic Reporter know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise. I have e-mailed them many times. Yet they continue to interpret the Council and extra ecclesiam nulla salus with the false premise, to create a false rupture with Tradition and so not be labelled 'extremists'
Christopher White and the Staff at the National Catholic Reporter know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise. I have e-mailed them many times. Yet they continue to interpret the Council and extra ecclesiam nulla salus with the false premise, to create a false rupture with Tradition and so not be labelled 'extremists'. - Lionel Andrades
JUNE 17, 2021
Bishop Peter Libasci and Fr. Georges de Laire like the ecclesiastics at the CDF,Vatican are dishonest in public
It fell to de Laire as judicial vicar to reinforce a Vatican decree that the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary could not present themselves as Catholic. According to the lawsuit, this resulted in "several articles [at Church Militant] not only criticizing the Diocese's decision to issue the Decree, but defaming Father de Laire, personally."
https://www.ncronline.org/news/media/church-militant-founder-may-face-legal-reckoning-defamationChristopher White and the Staff at the National Catholic Reporter know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise. I have e-mailed them many times. Yet they continue to interpret the Council and extra ecclesiam nulla salus with the false premise, to create a false rupture with Tradition and so not be labelled 'extremists'
Christopher White and the Staff at the National Catholic Reporter know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise. I have e-mailed them many times. Yet they continue to interpret the Council and extra ecclesiam nulla salus with the false premise, to create a false rupture with Tradition and so not be labelled 'extremists'. - Lionel Andrades
JUNE 17, 2021
Bishop Peter Libasci and Fr. Georges de Laire like the ecclesiastics at the CDF,Vatican are dishonest in public
It fell to de Laire as judicial vicar to reinforce a Vatican decree that the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary could not present themselves as Catholic. According to the lawsuit, this resulted in "several articles [at Church Militant] not only criticizing the Diocese's decision to issue the Decree, but defaming Father de Laire, personally."
https://www.ncronline.org/news/media/church-militant-founder-may-face-legal-reckoning-defamationMichael Davies' error was never corrected by Cardinal Ratzinger
As Michael Davies rightly remarks, there was corruption among the Catholic clergy at the time of the ‘Reformation’, but the reason why the heretics and schismatics left the Church was not this, but their heterodoxy. ‘There is, therefore no basis whatsoever for an apology by the Catholic Church for the sin of schism when this sin was entirely on the Protestant side. No Catholic, by definition, can ever be in schism or guilty of the sin of schism’ .
One should add that in any case ‘sins of separation’ or of ‘disunity’ cannot be imputed to the Church Who is Holy and Immaculate (as we have explained at the beginning of the essay); nor did She show Herself hostile to dissidents, but only defined and decried their separation by anathemata and excommunications, which, far from being sins, in reality constitute acts of mercy, as calls to the heretic to return to the one and only salvific sheep-fold.
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2021/06/the-council-and-eclipse-of-god-part-xi.html
Michael Davies, like Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, did not know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted with a rational premise, inference and conclusion.Now this truth is there before us. He had overlooked the mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
So he read Vatican Council II with the fake premise like the popes and the liberals.The Council had to contradict the old ecumenism of return for him, This error, of his was not noticed by him all his life and was not corrected by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. -Lionel Andrades
“The Council and the Eclipse of God” Part XI “How the Council jettisoned true Catholic Evangelisation for shallow Ecumenism” by Don Pietro Leone
In my parish the priests and parishioners interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise, inference and conclusion , so there is no tension for them
In my parish the priests and parishioners interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise, inference and conclusion , so there is no tension for them. -Lionel Andrades
JUNE 17, 2021
There are good priests in my parish but they interpret the Creeds and Magisterial documents irrationally : St. Alphonsus Liguori says do not go up to receive the Eucharist from a priest in public mortal sin
There are good priests in the parish Santa Maria di Nazareth,Casalotti, Boccea, Rome.However St.Alphonsus Liguori, father of Moral Theology says that if there is a priest in public mortal sin do not go up to receive the Eucharist from him. Since if you do so you would be telling him all is well even though his soul is oriented to Hell. St. Alphonsus says that if there is no other means to fulfill your Sunday obligation, then go up to him to receive the Eucharist at Mass ( Teologia Moralis, Bk.3,N.46).In my parish, like the rest of the diocese, the priests interpret the Creeds irrationally since it is politically correct with the Left and the Vatican.They reject the Athanasius Creed, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors with the same false premise. Then they interpret the Catechisms and Vatican Council II with the same false premise creating a false rupture with Tradition(EENS etc).
JUNE 16, 2021
God is love but Hell exists
The other day at Mass in Italian at the church Santa Maria di Nazareth,Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, the priest said that God has no favorites, he loves everyone. The rain falls on everyone and the sun shines on everyone, "good and bad". Therefore we must love everyone, was his message.
Yes, we must love everyone, but Hell exists and not everyone will go to Heaven. Priests are not allowed to speak of Hell.The Vicariate of Rome and the Vatican have not given them permission. Pope Benedict also forbade seminarians from mentioning Hell.
In the churches of Rome the priests are not allowed to talk about morality, sin and Hell. They had not been allowed, in all these years, to talk about the sins of morality and the sins of faith and lack of faith.
They must also give the Eucharist to all.This would indicate that there are no mortal sins of faith and morals for them. So if someone has a vocation to the religious life in Rome, he would give up,discouraged.He would not become a priest seeing,the general incohrence approved by the political Left for the Catholic Church.
The leftist state decides morals. An Italian carabinieri and diplomat was killed in a third world country a few months ago and he was offered a state funeral Mass. The Mass was held at the Basilica Santa Maria di Angeli, Piazza Repubblica, Rome. Members of the government were present, as well as the victim's non-Christian wife.
This was political. The message was that there is no faith and morals for the leftist government in Italy. The Vicar General of the Vicariate of Rome offered Mass and condoled with all the families, in Italy and abroad. The deceased was in a public mortal sin of faith in public.There was a funeral Mass and it was televised.
In Rome, the government has confiscated churches. They are overseen by a government-approved lay committee, in coordination with the Parish Priest or Rector. There is a plaque on the front door of the churches, saying the church belongs to the government.
The leftist church and the leftist state are not separate for the government. There was no funeral mass for Erich Preibike, who was not in public mortal sin. They did even allow his corpse to be buried or cremated. There is no love for the left. They judge and condemn.There was no forgiveness or love-Lionel Andrades