Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational option. They are also not magisterial on the Nicene and Apostles Creed since they make the same mistake which can be avoided

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational option.1

They use the same false premise to interpret the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I). I avoid the false premise. 

However with BOD, BOB and I.I interpreted with the false premise,they change the traditional interpretation of the Apostles and Nicene Creed.It is different from mine. For me BOD, BOB and I.I are always implicit but for the popes they are explicit. So they become exceptions to the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus( EENS), the Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q).

The present two popes are in a rupture with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church, who did not use the false premise, inference and conclusion. 

Their use of the false premise, inference and conclusion would not be magisterial. Since the Holy Spirit could not make an objective error and choose an irrational option, which is non traditional and schismatic.

 They support the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) to the Archbishop of Boston 1949(LOHO) which wrongly assumed unknown and invisible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I were known and visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. So LOHO concluded heretically, that not every one needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation. The same error was made by the Council Fathers at Vatican Council II. The LOHO is referenced in Vatican Council II(LG 16) with the mistake and it is also placed in the Denzinger.

So also the interpretation of the Catechisms by Pope Francis and Pope Benedict , with the false premise, would be different, from mine.

THERE CAN BE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE APOSTLES CREED AND THE NICENE CREED. 

How do you interpret the Apostles Creed at Holy Mass ?

There are two options, one rational and the other irrational, one traditional and the other non traditional, one heretical and the other non heretical, one schismatic and the other not a rupture with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Most Catholics choose the irrational version which is not prohibited by the popes, cardinals and bishops.

" I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" - Apostles Creed

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict 

1. Do you say in church, at Holy Mass when the Creed is prayed, " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Catholic Church there is salvation, known salvation, there are visible non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water and so there is no communion with the saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed etc  ? 

Or,

Lionel:

2. Do you say in church at Mass , "I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and then mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Church there is no known salvation, there are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so there is  communion with the saints - Francis of Assisi, Ignatius of Loyola, Francis Xavier, Catherine of Siena, Maximillian Kolbe etc - on extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with no exceptions, like in the 16th century) the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return), Quas Primas of Pope Pius XI on the Proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation etc ?

THERE ARE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE NICENE CREED. WHICH ONE IS YOURS ?

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins - Nicene Creed

Lionel : 

1. There is one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water. It is physically visible and repeatable.

Or.

For Pope Francis and Pope Benedict  

2.There are more than three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins, they are known baptisms, personally visible. They are the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. They exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so are practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as explained in the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It was referenced also in Vatican Council II(Lumen Gentium 16).

When Pope Francis and Pope Benedict avoid the false premise, inference and conclusion their interpretation of the Creeds will be Magisterial and in harmony with the past Magisterium. There would be no hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition. -Lionel Andrades

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 APRIL 14, 2021

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational option

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/pope-francis-and-pope-benedict-are-not.html

Gospel Reading for today at Holy Mass : Whoever believes in Him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God

 Gospel Reading for today

Jn 3:16-21

God so loved the world that he gave his only-begotten Son,

so that everyone who believes in him might not perish

but might have eternal life.

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world,

but that the world might be saved through him.

Whoever believes in him will not be condemned,

but whoever does not believe has already been condemned,because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.

And this is the verdict,

that the light came into the world,

but people preferred darkness to light,

because their works were evil.

For everyone who does wicked things hates the light

and does not come toward the light,

so that his works might not be exposed.

But whoever lives the truth comes to the light,

so that his works may be clearly seen as done in God.

https://bible.usccb.org/daily-bible-reading

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational option

 

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion ( red passages below) instead of the rational option( blue passages below).

To be Magisterial they need to interpret Vatican Council II with 'the blue passages'.

The Holy Spirit cannot make an objective mistake and choose 'the red passages'. -Lionel Andrades

Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference

They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion

Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise

LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference

They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion

Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades

APRIL 13, 2021

The Department of Theology at the Pontifical University St. John Lateran, Rome have been informed that there are two options in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and they are using the irrational one

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/the-department-of-theology-at.html

APRIL 13, 2021

The faculty at the Augustine Institute, Graduate School, Colorado interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a rupture with Catholic orthodoxy and then they claim on their website that they teach orthodoxy

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/the-faculty-at-augustine-institute.html

APRIL 13, 2021

There are articles/reports on Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise on the website of the traditionalists. They are there on the websites of the Most Holy Family Monastery, Catholicism.org,Most Holy Trinity Seminary,Novus Ordo Watch, Rorate Caeili, Remnant News, Correspondenza Romano etc. They need to be corrected

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/there-are-articlesreports-on-vatican.html

APRIL 13, 2021

Repost : Padre Pio Prayer Groups, Neo Catechumenal Way, Charismatic Renewal, all the religious communities, Diocesan priests... the SSPX Archbishop Gerhard Muller and Archbishop Augustine Di Noia

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/repost-padre-pio-prayer-groups-neo.html

 APRIL 13, 2021

Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican is not magisterial on Vatican Council II since he interprets the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational and traditional option, in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church.

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-sj-prefect-of_13.html

APRIL 13, 2021

Bishop Steven J.Lopes interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise, inference and conclusion.He would also be interpreting the Creeds and Catechisms with the same irrationality. This is an irregular issue. It is a canonical issue : he excommunicated Fr. Vaughn Treco for supporting Tradition and opposing the false interpretation of Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/bishop-steven-jlopes-interprets-vatican.html

APRIL 13, 2021

All the books on Vatican Council II on display at the Society of St. Pius X (Fraternita Sacerdotale San Pio X) center in Albano, Italy are written with the false premise. New books need to be written on the Council, interpreted without the irrational premise, inference and conclusion   https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/all-books-on-vatican-council-ii-on.html

 APRIL 12, 2021

Repost . The red is not an exception to the blue' : new extraordinary understanding of Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/repost-red-is-not-exception-to-blue-new.html

 APRIL 12, 2021

Feeneyites do not have to deny the baptism of desire since BOD is always invisible and hypothetical, it never was a practical exception to EENS

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/feeneyites-do-not-have-to-deny-baptism.html

APRIL 12, 2021

Most of the material on Vatican Council II at the office of Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican Secretary of State and also at the library of the St. John Lateran University, Rome, is now obsolete

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/most-of-material-on-vatican-council-ii_53.html

APRIL 12, 2021

Most of the material on Vatican Council II on the Most Holy Family Monastery, USA website is now obsolete. It is the same for the Vatican websites

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/most-of-material-on-vatican-council-ii_12.html

APRIL 12, 2021

Most of the material on Vatican Council II on the SSPX websites is now obsolete

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/most-of-material-on-vatican-council-ii.html

APRIL 11, 2021

There is the Augustine Institute, Graduate School in Colorado, USA and there is the St. Augustine Institute of Wisdom, at the St. Benedict Center,New Hampshire,USA. I would recommend the latter

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/there-is-augustine-instiute-graduate.html

APRIL 11, 2021

Fr. Leonard Feeney, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Archbishop Pierre Thuc did not know that Vatican Council II could be interpreted without the false premise, inference and conclusion

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/for-fr-leonard-feeney-and-archbishop.html

APRIL 10, 2021

All these years the main line media in the USA and Europe have criticized Lefebvre and Feeney. What will they now do when they discover that Vatican Council II supports the two traditionalists ?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/all-these-years-main-line-media-in-usa.html

 APRIL 9, 2021

Why should the readers of the Most Holy Family Monastery(MHFM) website interpret Vatican Council II like Michael and Peter Dimond and not like me ?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/why-should-readers-of-most-holy-family.html

 APRIL 9, 2021

The interpretation of Magisterial documents by the present two popes would be different from that of the popes before 1930,who did not use the false premise. The popes at that time were Feeneyites. Today they are Cushingites

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/the-interpretation-of-magisterial.html

 APRIL 9, 2021

It was not known to Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Fr. Leonard Feeney : Vatican Council II is in harmony with 16th century EENS. There is no ' development of doctrine' 

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/it-was-not-known-to-archbishop-marcel.html

APRIL 8, 2021

Repost : The Boston Heresy Case refers historic magisterial heresy in the Catholic Church

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/repost-boston-heresy-case-refers.html

APRIL 8, 2021

Without the irrational premise the Council supports Tradition and the suspended priests. The Council without the false premise supports the priests and not the bishops : Ferrara-Commacchio, Italy and Mons. Luigi Negri

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/without-irrational-premise-council.html

APRIL 7, 2021

If Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre interpreted Vatican Council II without the false premise in 1965 there would be no liberal-traditionalist division in the Catholic Church today

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/if-archbishop-marcel-lefebvre.html

APRIL 7, 2021

Repost : Robert Kennedy asked Richard Cushing to suppress Fr. Leonard Feeney

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/repost-robert-kennedy-asked-richard.html

APRIL 6, 2021

When it is said that Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and Catholic Tradition, this is a conclusion. The premise is that there are physically visible cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance.Otherwise there could not be exceptions. But this is a false premise

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/when-it-is-said-that-lumen-gentium-16.html

MARCH 14, 2021

So why did Vatican Council II mention salvation outside the Church, when there is no known salvation outside the Church?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/03/so-why-did-vatican-council-ii-mention.html

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