Friday, January 12, 2024

Vatican Council II is no more liberal. There is no more a development of doctrine : Bishop Sample closes ecumenical Mass

 January 8, 2024

Archbishop's Mass ban for ecumenical community reflects outdated hierarchical model

BY TOM ROBERTS 
NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER

Well before it was nearly irremediably compromised by the ongoing clergy sexual abuse scandal, the Catholic hierarchical culture was engaged in a losing battle with the concept of authority. What is it? Who has it? Why? How is it exercised? To what end?

Lionel : Authority can now only be based upon Vatican Council II interpreted rationally and so honestly.

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What began as a troubling problem in the last century has become an even deeper and more corrosive challenge this century both within the church and in the church's relationship with the wider culture.

While the questions might not yield quickly to certainty, one response was recently demonstrated by Archbishop Alexander Sample of Portland, Oregon, in his order that abruptly ended a Catholic-Lutheran ecumenical venture that has been underway for nearly 40 years and that was viewed approvingly by three of his predecessors.

Lionel: His predecessors have been interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally and so there was the liberalism on ecumenism. Now there can only be an ecumenism of return according to the Council interpreted with 'the red passages not being exceptions for the  blue' and the rest of Tradition.

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The archbishop, in a letter to the Spirit of Grace community, described his perceived obligation to "guard the entire liturgical life" of the local church. The action, he said, resulted from his discernment of "the needs of the Catholic faithful of the archdiocese, the key principles governing the sacred liturgy, and how best to promote Christian unity."

Lionel: There can only be Christian unity based upon Vatican Council II interpreted with invisible cases of LG 8,14,1,5,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc being invisible. They are not objective exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which tells us that the Lutherans and other Christian denominations are outside the Church, Jesus' Mystical Body.

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All of that he accomplished, according to undisputed reports from the community, without any discussions with those affected, with no attempt to determine the community's needs, and absent an assessment of the state of "Christian unity" at Spirit of Grace congregation. Members describe themselves as "one community with two traditions" who worship together but separately conduct celebrations of the Eucharist.

Lionel: Vatican Council II is no more liberal. There is no more a development of doctrine.

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Sample's answers to who exercises authority, and how, are distressingly archaic. He alone is the authority, and he exercises it by edict. It is the formula from an earlier era when hierarchies reflected a primitive understanding of the world in which all power and authority presumably resided at the top and most often (in the church's case, always) in a male figure.

Lionel: Without Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally there is no precedent in the history of the Church to consider  Lutherans, who are schismatics and heretics, as being in union with the Catholic Church.

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The late Eugene Kennedy, a longtime church observer and prolific author, understood earlier than most that authority had become a central issue in the modern era for both church and society. In Authority: The Most Misunderstood Idea in America, a book authored with his wife, Sara Charles, a psychiatrist, the diminishment of the old hierarchical model was hastened, they wrote, by the advent of the space and information ages. In the first case, space flight photos dramatically depicted the Earth as not up or down from anything but amid the vastness of our solar system, an affront to social systems based on an Earth below and heavens above.

The information age democratized what was once the sole province of a select few. "In the golden age of hierarchy, information was perceived as power and was reserved to very few at the highest levels," they wrote. "It was sacred, an expression and source of power, reserved like the Holy of Holies, with access for the elect alone."

In the modern era, Kennedy and Charles wrote, "the great institutions that identify their authority with their hierarchical structure are, in effect, raising an empty monstrance and demanding that people accept the receptacle as if it were the sacrament."

Lionel: Objective reality has not changed there still is Heaven and Hell and people who die in mortal sin are going to Hell.

Hierarchy and its once automatic claim to unchallenged authority is left unmoored, drifting in search of purpose and safe harbor.

Given the tattered state of hierarchical credibility and authority, a question emerges, the answer to which, I think, has a significant effect on each: What is a church to do when fear no longer works?

Fear once kept Catholics in the pews and in line. Generations in this country raised on the transactional theology of the Baltimore Catechism — failed and sinful humans negotiating with an ever-wrathful God — lived lives of holy terror. They were ever mindful that the world was loaded with potential infractions capable of sending one to eternal damnation. Members of the clerical/hierarchical culture, promoted as different to their core from all the rest, were the never-to-be contradicted connection between humans and their God.

Lionel: Hell exists. Vatican Council II tells us most people are going there without Catholic faith and the baptism of water (Ad Gentes 7).

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Fear no longer works. As the recent series on the Catholic diaspora demonstrated, bishops closing parishes or sending in new priests to upend ministries; or ending such activities as welcoming LGBTQ Catholics have elicited less than obedient responses. In more than a few instances, Catholics have walked and set up shop elsewhere, often with an ordained woman as pastor. They still call themselves Catholic.

Lionel : Yes  they call themselves Catholic and they still are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally with liberal conclusions.

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Whether they are a schism in motion or the cutting edge of a future church is to be determined. What will become of the Spirit of Grace community beyond the initial shock and hurt is yet to be seen.

Lionel : According to Vatican Council II which is traditional, orthodox and conservative this community is in schism with also the past Magisterium of the Church. The past Magisterium is no more contradicted by Vatican Council II, interpreted rationally.

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-Lionel Andrades

https://www.ncronline.org/opinion/guest-voices/archbishops-mass-ban-ecumenical-community-reflects-outdated-hierarchical-model

I am not offering a new theology or new theory. I am not against any community or people. I am no theologian.

 I am not offering a new theology or new theory. I am not against any community or people. I am no theologian. I do not have an academic degree in theology or philosophy from Rome. I have not written any book. All I have been saying is that there are no objective cases of LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in our human reality. We cannot meet or see someone saved with the baptism of desire (LG 14) or in invincible ignorance (LG 16).That’s all. This is something obvious. It’s common knowledge. If someone was saved outside the Church it could only be known to God.

So obviously there are no practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (, Fourth Lateran Council 1215, Council of Florence 1442 etc) and there are none mentioned in Vatican Council II.

We are back to Tradition. Since we can only interpret LG 8, 14, 15, 16 etc rationally- as physically invisible cases in 2024.This is the discovery. It is a simply layman’s observation now supported by religious and lay Catholics. They include Archbishop Thomas E. Gullickson former Nuncio to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, Father Stefano Visintin OSB, former Rector of the University of St.Anselm, Rome and John Martignoni, Director of the Office of the New Evangelization, Diocese of Birmingham,USA and Founder-President of Bible Christian Society, an apologetics apostolate.

They say there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.

Everybody agrees with me.

 They say, “There are no physically visible cases of LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc”. This is a given.

-Lionel Andrades







, NOVEMBER 22, 2023

With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II , the popes, cardinals and bishops are shown as being not rational and neither ethical and Magisterial.The popes from Pius XII were not Magisterial on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) - they were Cushingite and not Feeneyite.We must now interpret the Creeds and Catechisms with Feeneyism ( invisible people are invisible in 2023) and not Cushingism ( invisible people are visible in the present times)

 





With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II , the popes, cardinals and bishops are shown as being not rational and neither ethical- it cannot be Magisterial.The popes from Pius XII were not Magisterial on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) - they were Cushingite and not Feeneyite.We must now interpret the Creeds and Catechisms  with Feeneyism ( invisible people are invisible in 2023) and not Cushingism ( invisible people are visible in the present times).

We must interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism ( LG 16 refers to an invisible case in 2023) and not Cushingism ( LG 8, 14, 15. 16 etc) refer to visible non Christians saved outside the Church in 2023).

The Vatican is not commenting on this issue since they have always been Cushingite since 1949.

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith ( Holy Office) in the 1949, Letter to the Archbishop of Boston, Cardinal Cushing, relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney,confused invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance,  as being visible exceptions for traditional EENS. So the dogma EENS and the Catechisms etc were made obsolete in 1949.The Council Fathers in 1965 repeated the mistake. They enlarged  the category of exceptions to LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.

Pope Francis, the cardinals and bishops cannot continue to interpret  LG 8,. LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism. They cannot expect all Catholics to be irrational and dishonest. The people must see LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, etc, as being hypothetical only.

                             The Roman Missal is Feeneyite and the New Missal is Cushingite

NEW MISSAL INCOMPLETE

Catholics must also note that the New Missal of Pope Paul VI is incomplete, since it is based upon Vatican Council II, Cushingite. It does not affirm Feeneyite EENS.

ANGELUS PRESS MUST ISSUE A CORRECTION


The Angelus Press of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) must clarify that the books they have published on Vatican Council II, or related to Vatican Council II, including those of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, has an error.The Council was interpreted irrationally and not rationally. The SSPX priests in Rome are refusing to speak to me on this issue. 

SSPX CATECHESIS HAS ERROR

They have Catechesis for Adults in Rome with the Catechism of Pope Pius X which they interpret irrationally. Invincible ignorance ( 29Q) is projected as an exception  for 29Q ( outside the Church no salvation).They must acknowledge that they made a mistake.

The SSPX cannot say that they are following the popes . The popes accepted Vatican Council II  with the error and they rejected the Council, but all the same, interpreted the Council, with the error.



BISHOP MARK PIVARUNAS' MISTAKE ON THE CMRI WEBSITE

Also Bishop Mark Pivarunas must clarify that the list of baptism of desire cases mentioned on the CMRI website, all refer to hypothetical cases only. They are invisible cases in 2023.

Also sedevacantist Bishop Donald Sanborn must admit that his community's interpretation of EENS and Vatican Council II is irrational and not honest.


MHFM FOLLOWS POPE JOHN PAUL II AND 'THE VATICAN II SECT'

Peter and Michael Dimond at the Most Holy Family Monastery, NY, like their founder Nathan Joseph, interpret Vatican Council II like 'the Vatican Council II sect' and the popes John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Francis. The MHFM interprets Vatican Council II irrationally like the United States Conferences of Bishops (USCCB).

                                                                  https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search?q=Ferrara+bishop
In Italy, the Archbishop of Palermo, who excommunicated Fr. Alessandro M. Minutella is interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally and deceptively. 



It is the same with Bishop Stephen Brady and Anglican Ordinariate who excommunicated Fr. Vaughn Treco.

The Archbishop of Ferarra, Italy Giancarlo Peregro and the visiting Auxiliary Bishop of Rome, Daniele Libanori s.j, transferred traditionalist young priests.Libanori still interprets the Council irrationally like the Italian Bishops Conference.  -Lionel Andrades


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NOVEMBER 21, 2023


 

What is the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?

It is a different way of looking at LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II.

Why is it different?

It sees LG 8,14, 15,16 etc as being only hypothetical cases. They refer to invisible people in 1965-2023. So they are not objective examples of salvation in the present times . They are not exceptions for the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church. They do not contradict the Council of Florence (1442) and the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

We cannot see any one saved in imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) or where the Catholic Church subsists outside its visible boundaries (LG 8). If any one was saved outside the Church it could only be known to God.

So what ? Why is this important ?

Presently the popes, cardinals and bishops interpret Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition. LG 8, 14,. 15, 16 etc are exceptions for the dogma EENS. The Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX are made obsolete by them. So they imply that LG 8,14, 15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 are objective examples of salvation in the present times. They are not invisible cases for them. This is irrational. The invisible- people- are- visible premise is unethical. But this is the common way to create the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.



So what are the implications of the L.A interpretation?

We read the text of Vatican Council II differently. We also read the text of other Church Documents (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus, Catechism of Pope Pius X, etc) differently. If the hypothetical cases in Vatican Council II ( baptism of desire-LG 14 etc) are marked in red and the orthodox passages which support the past ecclesiology are marked in blue, then the red passages do not contradict the blue. Presently for most people , the red is an exception for the blue.

The Church has returned to the past faith and morals based upon exclusive salvation in only the Church.This was Apostolic. It is a return to the Church Fathers and to the missionaries of the 16th century.

Catholics can once again proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics, since Vatican Council II is in harmony with Tradition.It is important for Governments and societies to be Catholic since in Heaven there are only Catholics ( AG 7, LG 16, CCC 845,846 etc).

We have returned to the past Traditional Mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and the necessity for all to be members of the Catholic Church; to believe in Jesus in the Catholic Church only, to avoid Hell ( for salvation).

There can now only be the old ecumenism of return and inter-religious dialogue will be missionary. The theological foundation will now be a Vatican Council II which is orthodox and Magisterial.

It means the present interpretation of the popes,

cardinals and bishops, is irrational and so non 

Magisterial.



So why did the Council Fathers in 1965 not know 

all this ? 

They  repeated the objective mistake made

in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office. It confused invisible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance as being  visible exceptions for Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus, or, EENS according to the Church Councils. The Church Councils (1215 etc) did not mention any exceptions.

-Lionel Andrades



 NOVEMBER 19, 2023

You can interpret Vatican Council II according to Pope Paul VI or Lionel Andrades. Vatican Council II can be Cushingite or Feeneyite, with the irrational premise (invisible non-Catholics are physically visible) or rational premise (invisible cases are invisible only). So the conclusion is different. The Council is non traditional or traditional. It depends upon the premise, inference and conclusion, chosen.

 




You can interpret Vatican Council II according to Pope Paul VI or Lionel Andrades. Vatican Council II can be Cushingite or Feeneyite, with the irrational premise (invisible non-Catholics are physically visible) or rational premise (invisible cases are invisible only). So the conclusion is different. The Council is non traditional or traditional. It depends upon the premise, inference and conclusion, chosen.


So we have orthodox ( conservative) passages and the hypothetical ( speculative, theoretical, invisible) passages in Vatican Council i.e. the orthodox passages are marked in blue and the hypothetical passages marked in red, then the red does not contradict the blueInvisible people cannot be practical exceptions for Tradition. Tradition includes the past ecclesiocentrism, the exclusivist ecclesiology, the old theology,  the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, the Catechisms of Trent and Pius X etc.- Lionel Andrades


Catechism of the Catholic Church


 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:  

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 

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The red passages are an exception to the blue passages for Cardinal Kasper but not for me. What will be his reaction when Cardinals Burke and Brandmuller and Monsignors Ganswein and Bux also say that the red is not an exception to the blue ? So there are no exceptions in magisterial documents to the strict interpretation of the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation, an ecumenism of return and an ecclesiology which supports exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. No magisterial document contradicts traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE

Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
 Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II


 THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE

Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE

 Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II 
It follows that the separated Churches(23) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.

Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as Communities and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those who through Him were born again into one body, and with Him quickened to newness of life - that unity which the Holy Scriptures and the ancient Tradition of the Church proclaim. For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation. We believe that Our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God. This people of God, though still in its members liable to sin, is ever growing in Christ during its pilgrimage on earth, and is guided by God's gentle wisdom, according to His hidden designs, until it shall happily arrive at the fullness of eternal glory in the heavenly Jerusalem.-Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II

THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE


 Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 
 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:  

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 


THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE


 DOMINUS IESUS 


IV. UNICITY AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

16.  The Lord Jesus, the only Saviour, did not only establish a simple community of disciples, but constituted the Church as a salvific mystery: he himself is in the Church and the Church is in him (cf. Jn 15:1ff.; Gal 3:28; Eph 4:15-16; Acts 9:5).  Therefore, the fullness of Christ's salvific mystery belongs also to the Church, inseparably united to her Lord. Indeed, Jesus Christ continues his presence and his work of salvation in the Church and by means of the Church (cf. Col 1:24-27),47 which is his body (cf. 1 Cor 12:12-13, 27; Col 1:18).48 And thus, just as the head and members of a living body, though not identical, are inseparable, so too Christ and the Church can neither be confused nor separated, and constitute a single “whole Christ”.49 This same inseparability is also expressed in the New Testament by the analogy of the Church as the Bride of Christ (cf. 2 Cor 11:2; Eph 5:25-29; Rev 21:2,9).50
Therefore, in connection with the unicity and universality of the salvific mediation of Jesus Christ, the unicity of the Church founded by him must be firmly believed as a truth of Catholic faith. Just as there is one Christ, so there exists a single body of Christ, a single Bride of Christ: “a single Catholic and apostolic Church”.51 Furthermore, the promises of the Lord that he would not abandon his Church (cf. Mt 16:18; 28:20) and that he would guide her by his Spirit (cf. Jn16:13) mean, according to Catholic faith, that the unicity and the unity of the Church — like everything that belongs to the Church's integrity — will never be lacking.52
The Catholic faithful are required to profess that there is an historical continuity — rooted in the apostolic succession53— between the Church founded by Christ and the Catholic Church: “This is the single Church of Christ... which our Saviour, after his resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care (cf. Jn 21:17), commissioning him and the other Apostles to extend and rule her (cf. Mt 28:18ff.), erected for all ages as ‘the pillar and mainstay of the truth' (1 Tim3:15). This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in [subsistit in] the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him”.54  With the expressionsubsistit in, the Second Vatican Council sought to harmonize two doctrinal statements: on the one hand, that the Church of Christ, despite the divisions which exist among Christians, continues to exist fully only in the Catholic Church, and on the other hand, that “outside of her structure, many elements can be found of sanctification and truth”,55 that is, in those Churches and ecclesial communities which are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church.56 But with respect to these, it needs to be stated that “they derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”
-Dominus Iesus 16. 

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THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE


LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 DURING THE PONTIFICATE OF POPE PIUS XII


( This letter was  an inter office correspondence between cardinals. However the liberals placed it in the Denzinger and it has been referenced in Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It contains an objective error when it assumes invisible and unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible and known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Upon this Letter is based the New Theology.)
 We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those  things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to be believed as divinely revealed, not only through solemnjudgment but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (, n. 1792).
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there
 is no salvation outside the Church.
However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church...
Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place by which we are commanded to be incorporated by baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, 
which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth...

Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless  refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.
Not only did the Savior command that all nations should  enter the Church, but He also decreed the Church to be a means of salvation without which no one can enter the kingdom of eternal glory.
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects,necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic
 necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing. This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the sacrament of regeneration and in reference to the sacrament of penance (, nn. 797, 807).
  Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.
However, this desire need not always be explicit,as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.

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https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/11/you-can-interpret-vatican-council-ii.html

 NOVEMBER 17, 2023



For Father Paulo Boumis there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance but he will continue to have adult catechesis this month in which he will interpret BOD and I.I as being physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church, in the present times, who are practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is also the theological position of the SSPX and the sedevacantists.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/11/for-father-paulo-boumis-there-are-no.html

NOVEMBER 18, 2023

There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II to choose from

 





                                                                                                              - Lionel Andrades
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